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Old 07-14-05 | 07:36 AM
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It hasn't affected my purchasing habits at all.
Old 07-14-05 | 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by sldvd
And isn't it inevitable that by the end of this decade, blu-ray (and hd-dvd) will be replaced by yet another generation of disc technology? So might as well skip blu-ray (and hd-dvd) and wait for that one.
And why would I do that? Don't be ludicrous.
Old 07-14-05 | 11:55 AM
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In my opinion this is a rediculous reason to not buy DVDs. First of all, a lot of the catalogue stuff being released these days wont look any better on HD DVDs or BluRays b/c there is only so much you can do to 10- or 20 year-old film, this is especially true with tv shows and films not filmed digitally or in HD, so what would be the point of waiting to get it on a next format? No benefit. The only reason why the studios would even release it is to just make the extra buck from a new generation of movie watchers/collectors. They likely wont put the amt of effort it may take to restore a film to HD quality from a non-digital source (if this can even be done.)

So, no, i am not going to stop purchasing good quality DVDs with good extras. And if in 5 years, War of the Worlds comes out in HD format with never-before-seen extras, then i'll probably buy it. But until then i will savor the excellent DVD i will be buying in Nov/Dec.
Choosing to save my money is a ridiculous reason? Who are you to tell me how I should spend my money? I never said I stopped buying DVDs. Read my post carefully. I said I slowed down.
Old 07-14-05 | 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by DrStrangeL0ve71
With all this talk of Blue Ray and HD and such I think the bottom line is that DVD has just recently gained mainstream acceptance. I think what the DVD fans and cinephiles need to realize is that the average joe doesn't want to nor have the cash to re buy trivial things such as DVDS every couple years. Thats why CDs have been around for over 20 years and thats why VHS tapes were around so long. Things like Blue Ray and HD don't provide the huge leap in quality that were prevelant when watching a VHS to DVD or cassette to CD. I have an HD tv, I have watched shows in HD and regular and sure it looks better but for the average guy making 30 grand a year it doesn't justify the costs. And with DVD players dropping dramatically it is now affordable for everyone.

So no I have not chnaged my buying habits because DVDs are going to be around for quite a long time, and I think it is silly to think that DVDs will be extinct within the next few years. And like an above poster said everything will be replaced eventually.
There are things that will kill the switch, but the increase in quality is NOT one of them. If you think the jump to HD from NTSC is not more major than the jump from VHS to DVD you need to have your equipment checked and/or get your eyes checked. The difference is staggering.
Old 07-14-05 | 12:28 PM
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In my opinion this is a rediculous reason to not buy DVDs. First of all, a lot of the catalogue stuff being released these days wont look any better on HD DVDs or BluRays b/c there is only so much you can do to 10- or 20 year-old film, this is especially true with tv shows and films not filmed digitally or in HD, so what would be the point of waiting to get it on a next format? No benefit. The only reason why the studios would even release it is to just make the extra buck from a new generation of movie watchers/collectors. They likely wont put the amt of effort it may take to restore a film to HD quality from a non-digital source (if this can even be done.)

So, no, i am not going to stop purchasing good quality DVDs with good extras. And if in 5 years, War of the Worlds comes out in HD format with never-before-seen extras, then i'll probably buy it. But until then i will savor the excellent DVD i will be buying in Nov/Dec.
This is also COMPLETELY false, and to be quite honest, I am sick to death of reading it. Do a little research and you will see that you are wrong. If you don't want to invest, that's fine, but you paint yourself as a type of "Nintendo-hating Sony fanboy" when you make comments like this.

1080P is still FAR lower than the "resolution" of film. Now if you were to argue that it will be a long time before many of these catalog DVDs are remastered, then I would agree. Whatever format comes next will not make your current discs obsolete, they will play in any new player to come. I look at it as an extension of DVD.
Old 07-14-05 | 01:31 PM
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Qui Gon Jim beat me to the reply above. In every one of these threads that discuss or debate the merits of DVD vs the next gen formats inevitably somebody makes this type of comment that old films will not benefit from a HD transfer. Why do some people think that an old film is any different from a new film when it comes to HD? Why do some people think that it needs to be shot with HD cameras to be true HD? Film actually needs to be down converted to HD resolution so as long as the studios go back to the original film masters to make the HD transfer from it will be an improvement. If they decide to cheap out and make the HD transfer from a lower res source such as VHS, LD or even some DVD masters then yes it's not worth the effort. Even though current 480i DVDs are being sourced from 1080p HD masters, the amount of info a DVD can show and the level of color purity is far less than HD.
Old 07-14-05 | 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by sman113
First of all, a lot of the catalogue stuff being released these days wont look any better on HD DVDs or BluRays b/c there is only so much you can do to 10- or 20 year-old film, this is especially true with tv shows and films not filmed digitally or in HD
What a patently untrue, completely uninformed comment.

Turn on HDNet and look at how spectacular a decades-old show like Hogan's Heroes can look. Flip a channel up and take a look at Forbidden Planet or My Fair Lady in high-definition. That should silence any questions about what older material can look like in HD.
Old 07-14-05 | 02:13 PM
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hate to be a "me, too", but I agree that the arguement about HD-DVD not gonna look any better on films is pretty ludacris (sp)... If that was true, then WB wouldn't be bothering with 2k and 4k line masters of their flagship older movies. The fine person who posted that needs to go back and do their research.
Old 07-14-05 | 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by ShagMan
hate to be a "me, too", but I agree that the arguement about HD-DVD not gonna look any better on films is pretty ludacris (sp)... If that was true, then WB wouldn't be bothering with 2k and 4k line masters of their flagship older movies. The fine person who posted that needs to go back and do their research.
While I agree that HD-DVD will indeed have the potential to look better... actually realizing that potential is a different issue. There will still be the "original Highlander on DVD" scenarios for HD-DVD. And producers of public domain films on HD will still like trash.

But for the most part, HD-DVD will look noticeably better than DVD. But it's not a universal guarantee. I think we can agree on that.
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As i said, i just didnt buy this as a reason to not buy the DVDs that come out now. Maybe i should have thought about my post better and have been more eloquant. Sorry to have come across so ignorant, but i do consider myself knowledgeable of such things and have done my research... my post was supposed to be more an argument from a business perspective then the merits of HD over DVD.

I just dont see companies who are barely putting any effort into releases on DVD (i.e. tv shows like Quantum Leap or anything from Universal ... maybe Hogan's Heroes is an exception, i just dont know), not giving them any polish or even any extras, doing more in the next generation. Especially when the initial base of next generation consumers are only going to be either wealthy or 'early adopters.' It will be just like when DVD first came out, releases that do not fulfill the potential of the medium. so why wait for a movie to be released in the next generation when you can get it now and enjoy it for the 5-10 years it will be to get a good release in an advanced medium.

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Old 07-14-05 | 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by sman113
maybe Hogan's Heroes is an exception, i just dont know
Hogan's Heroes was remastered in high-definition, and so have series like Cheers, Charlie's Angels, The Twilight Zone, and Wiseguy. If it's shot on film and has remotely decent production values, even if the photography dates back to the '50s or '60s, it should look great in high-definition. I know you said you did research, but if you haven't actually watched any of these readily available movies/TV shows in HD, what makes you think you're speaking with an informed opinion?

Bear in mind too that a lot of the movies you're watching on DVD have high-definition masters handy. The studios aren't starting from scratch this generation the way they were with DVD. While it'll obviously take a very long time for the depth of DVD's current catalog to make its way to a high-definition format (if that even happens), I'd imagine many new DVDs (both recent theatrical releases and unearthed catalog titles) will be released day-and-date on HD-DVD/Blu-Ray.
Old 07-15-05 | 12:27 AM
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I am not too concern with either Blu-ray or HD-DVD formats. As far as I am concern
purchasing of DVDs is ongoing as long as the titles are good.Have 3 players to play the existing collection and even if one of them formats are chosen I'll just add a new
player for the new format DVDs. No point worrying and fretting over them silly format
wars between the two sides.
Old 07-15-05 | 04:31 AM
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I'm not afraid of the switch because I'm going to make the switch on my terms. Let the big spenders jump in on the first players and discs, I'm fine with what I have for now.....and practically speaking lots of average DVD watchers are going to feel the same. When DVD hit the market, the industry wanted the public to buy in in a big way, and that's happened over the course of several years as prices dropped on both hardware as well as media. Am I going to replace my DVD collection? No way in hell I'm gonna do that all over again this soon. I'll buy new releases and start picking and choosing all time favorites in HD format, and watch my old DVDs as well. DVD players can be had for the price of a steak dinner for two these days....if it looks as if it's necessary I'll throw a few new ones in my closet for down the road, but I can STILL buy a VHS player new in the box today, 33 years after buying my first one. I have no reason to believe that won't be the case with DVD as well.

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