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Julie Walker 01-13-05 07:36 PM

will JAWS be rereleased??
 
Since it is it's 30th Anniversary this year and Universal loves to quadriple dip.

I am hoping this film gets rerelease properly this time around. Does anyone know if Universal is planning anything or foolishly doing nothing?

The one main important thing is too include the original Academy Award winning excellent mono mix!

Also the full 2 hour documentary would be nice as well. But the original audio is the more important aspect for a rerelease in my honest opinion.

The new remix is distracting and just doesnt 'feel' right at all for the film. It already sounded perfect as it was,and then Universal goes and tosses it out for a new remix. The least they could have done was include the original mix as well as the 5.1 mix!

They thankfully included the original mono along side the 5.1 with the DUEL release. So I hope if JAWS is ever revisted(and we know it will),that they do the same.

Until then,I guess I will just have to enjoy my(excellent sounding) mono laserdisc in CAV baby!!!! :D

LikeMiamiVice 01-13-05 07:42 PM

im more than satisfied with the current release and with the 5.1 DD

gutwrencher 01-13-05 07:43 PM

original mono is always prefered, so if they provide it...I'll buy it.

should add that I have no problem with the current release. however, the original tracks should always be included...out of respect for the films(most essential)...and the purisits who buy them.

mzupeman2 01-13-05 08:14 PM

So we didn't have the mono sound, big deal. I'm more than content with what's available on DVD already. The movie picture quality is more than adequate and I'm not bothered by the 5.1 track.

Cygnet74 01-13-05 08:28 PM

i have the dts release currently. the film looks great, but i would definitely prefer to have the original soundtrack. the remix has too many distracting elements in it.

Artman 01-13-05 08:33 PM

I'd buy it for the full 2hr documentary.

bboisvert 01-13-05 09:19 PM


Originally Posted by mzupeman2
So we didn't have the mono sound, big deal.

It is a big deal when they actually have to record new sound effects 25 years later to accomplish the 5.1. That's a radical change to the film... and, frankly, an unwelcome one.

I'm all for presenting films in the best way possible, but if that requires 'redoing' something (new CGI effects, new sound effects, new scenes, whatever), the original should always be included.


I'd gladly double-dip for an edition with the original audio and the full (2+ hour) laserdisc documentary. The current DVD is a downgrade from the previously released LD box. Of course, there isn't a snowball's chance in hell that Universal will actually accomplish this. They've shown over and over that their DVD department is run by monkeys.

dollfins1 01-13-05 09:54 PM

jaws is my favorite film of all time. if they could provide a disc of worthwhile extras and options for the original mono track and soundtrack (score) only i would certainly pick it up. we can always hope!

chris
dollfins1

TNAJason 01-13-05 10:12 PM

I'd only buy if one of the following happened.....
Steven Speilberg Commentary
Full 2 + Hour Documentary

So that means,that for once Universal will do one or both of these things,and they will make me buy it.

JoeyOhhhh 01-13-05 10:14 PM

With all the double dipping Universal does, I'm surprised this title hasn't been already.

Maybe it has to do with Spielberg?

Cameron 01-14-05 12:05 AM


Originally Posted by TNAJason
I'd only buy if one of the following happened.....
Steven Speilberg Commentary
Full 2 + Hour Documentary

So that means,that for once Universal will do one or both of these things,and they will make me buy it.


No Speilberg Commentaries to date...doubt he would start with this....Figure after he release all his films they commentaries will be recorded and re-released....but I think E.T. or Schindler's list will be first in line.

DoubleDownAgain 01-14-05 12:17 AM


Originally Posted by Cameron
No Speilberg Commentaries to date...doubt he would start with this....Figure after he release all his films they commentaries will be recorded and re-released....but I think E.T. or Schindler's list will be first in line.

I've read in several places that Speilberg refuses to do commentaries. He says that they take away the "magic" of film making and that some things are better left to the imagination. I think I also saw him state this on Inside the Actor's Studio.

D-Ball 01-14-05 12:52 AM


Originally Posted by Artman
I'd buy it for the full 2hr documentary.


This is the main reason I'd buy a new edition. But I'm not expecting much from Universal.

SFranke 01-14-05 12:56 AM


Originally Posted by DoubleDownAgain
I've read in several places that Speilberg refuses to do commentaries. He says that they take away the "magic" of film making and that some things are better left to the imagination. I think I also saw him state this on Inside the Actor's Studio.

He also stated that David Lean's private Lawrence of Arabia commentary was one of the greatest experiences of his life.

DavidH 01-14-05 12:58 AM

Knowing Universal, they would release this exact same disc, but in a different case with a CD, or some extra 10 min. "Jaws" promo.

QuiGonJosh 01-14-05 04:02 AM

I love the current DTS disc I have...the sound is excellent...I'd keep it, but I'd like a new 2-Disc set with the FULL 2 hour documentary. Can't really add much else that isn't already on the current releases.

mzupeman2 01-14-05 05:35 AM

I got a big schpeel for saying 'no mono sound, so what?' As some others have said, the sound actually worked out pretty good in the Jaws 5.1, it's not as good as having an actual 5.1 track made from scratch that's been used in the theaters but I think it's good enough to keep. I mean, I always prefer mono sound if that's how the film was originally made... such as in Friday the 13 etc. And I love how most old TV shows they don't try and run up a special surround track. But the 5.1 is Jaws is what we have and they worked hard to add stuff to channels that didn't exist before and I appreciate that to some extent. This movie has had a couple of releases already hasn't it? I wouldn't double dip on Jaws just to get mono sound. I would only double dip if we get that full commentary.

DanishDVDfreak 01-14-05 05:46 AM

If Spielberg thinks that commentary´s ruin the magic of movies...I wonder what he calles "behind the scenes" stuff and "making of" featurettes...

QuiGonJosh 01-14-05 06:01 AM


Originally Posted by mzupeman2
I got a big schpeel for saying 'no mono sound, so what?' As some others have said, the sound actually worked out pretty good in the Jaws 5.1, it's not as good as having an actual 5.1 track made from scratch that's been used in the theaters but I think it's good enough to keep. I mean, I always prefer mono sound if that's how the film was originally made... such as in Friday the 13 etc. And I love how most old TV shows they don't try and run up a special surround track. But the 5.1 is Jaws is what we have and they worked hard to add stuff to channels that didn't exist before and I appreciate that to some extent. This movie has had a couple of releases already hasn't it? I wouldn't double dip on Jaws just to get mono sound. I would only double dip if we get that full commentary.

Have you heard the DTS mix for Jaws? Sounds excellent for a 30 year old movie, hell it just sounds excellent period.

DanishDVDfreak 01-14-05 06:03 AM

Yeah, but the trouble is that the DTS track is not 30 years old...the non-included mono track was...

QuiGonJosh 01-14-05 06:17 AM

So? They put a lot of time and effort into making it an effective 5.1 track and it worked. It sounds excellent.

Sure I'd like to have the mono track, but it's no biggie because I'd likely just listen to the DTS track.

Wait, what if they made a DTS Mono track! Oh yeah! :D

mzupeman2 01-14-05 06:58 AM


Originally Posted by QuiGonJosh
So? They put a lot of time and effort into making it an effective 5.1 track and it worked. It sounds excellent.

Sure I'd like to have the mono track, but it's no biggie because I'd likely just listen to the DTS track.

Yeah, that's pretty much what I was trying to say in that jumbled post up above. The DTS does sound pretty good. But hey, movie buffs are always going to fight tooth and nail for the originals and not for 'improved'.... even if the improved might be at least adequate or even 'better'. I mean there are some things that are done to movies that I can't stand, but, when it comes to people 'improving' films, making a mono track into a 5.1 soundtrack doesn't bother me... especially when that 5.1 wasn't compiled simply by screwing around only with the mono track alone... for this Jaws movie they added a bunch of new stuff to make it sound really good, and I think it was effective. I don't understand what was so 'distracting' about it, other than the fact some people may just have a very closed mind, and being so used to hearing a mono track for years will simply not accept anything else. I'm usually for keeping original soundtracks to films, considering the process to making a surround track out of mono usually is just supplying us with a simulated surround track by stretching parts of the mono track to certain channels but, they really gave Jaws the royal treatment to make it sound as good as a 30 year old movie can. So seriously, if the mono track was released before I would probably not upgrade to a 5.1 track, but since I have the 5.1 now I'm not going to double dip for a mono track with the surround track is very effective for an old film. It makes no sense to me at all.

TomOpus 01-14-05 07:09 AM


Originally Posted by DanishDVDfreak
If Spielberg thinks that commentary´s ruin the magic of movies...I wonder what he calles "behind the scenes" stuff and "making of" featurettes...

This stance of Spielberg's has been brought up a lot here. But I remember someone had brought up that he meant they ruin the movie-watching experience. It's like someone talking to you while you're trying to watch a movie. He feels there's a time to talk about his movies... just not DURING the movie.

mzupeman2 01-14-05 07:49 AM


Originally Posted by TomOpus
This stance of Spielberg's has been brought up a lot here. But I remember someone had brought up that he meant they ruin the movie-watching experience. It's like someone talking to you while you're trying to watch a movie. He feels there's a time to talk about his movies... just not DURING the movie.

Well, he's got a point to a certain degree. If that's his deal, fine. But it's not like the movie is being sold with him talking over it exclusively, without the option to watch his movie without a commentary. If people are watching his movie with a commentar, it's because they want to . So he should really be willing to bend to please his fans. But I don't see why the full two hour documentary wasn't included before.

stinkeye 01-14-05 08:47 AM


Originally Posted by DavidH
Knowing Universal, they would release this exact same disc, but in a different case with a CD, or some extra 10 min. "Jaws" promo.


I thought this might get another release after the price drop below $10 for the current release. Now seeing all the "Ultimate Party Double Secret Probation editions" from Universal, and recent releases like the disappointing new Dazed and Confused edition, my hope has eroded. It'd be a real shame if they didn't do it right, as this film gave Universal so much, and they have reaped the benefits and association with it for years.

digitalfreaknyc 01-14-05 09:04 AM


Originally Posted by mzupeman2
Yeah, that's pretty much what I was trying to say in that jumbled post up above. The DTS does sound pretty good. But hey, movie buffs are always going to fight tooth and nail for the originals and not for 'improved'.... even if the improved might be at least adequate or even 'better'. I mean there are some things that are done to movies that I can't stand, but, when it comes to people 'improving' films, making a mono track into a 5.1 soundtrack doesn't bother me... especially when that 5.1 wasn't compiled simply by screwing around only with the mono track alone... for this Jaws movie they added a bunch of new stuff to make it sound really good, and I think it was effective. I don't understand what was so 'distracting' about it, other than the fact some people may just have a very closed mind, and being so used to hearing a mono track for years will simply not accept anything else. I'm usually for keeping original soundtracks to films, considering the process to making a surround track out of mono usually is just supplying us with a simulated surround track by stretching parts of the mono track to certain channels but, they really gave Jaws the royal treatment to make it sound as good as a 30 year old movie can. So seriously, if the mono track was released before I would probably not upgrade to a 5.1 track, but since I have the 5.1 now I'm not going to double dip for a mono track with the surround track is very effective for an old film. It makes no sense to me at all.

My God you guys just don't get it at all, do you? First off, one question: are you huge Jaws fans? I'm talking...do you know the movie by heart and know what it's supposed to sound like? I'm assuming not because if you did, those added sound effects would stick out like a sore thumb. It's not the remix, per se, that people object to. It's the addition of the new sound effects which tend to sound fake and gimmicky when compared to the original sound mix. The two that drive me absolutely insane both occur at the end: the shark breaking through the hull and the gunshots that ultimately destroy the shark. Totally takes me out of the movie and those gunshots ruin the momentum at the end of the movie for me.

Again, this is coming from the perspective of someone who KNOWS the film. Obviously you guys don't.

And btw...to get back on topic, we had a screening here in NYC last year of Jaws with Richard Dreyfuss and one of the producers and luckily, I got to ask the last question after it was over. I know I posted this in another thread a while ago (Julie should have used the search button) but I'll repeat. I asked if they were thinking of or having any plans for a 30th anniversary for the film. Richard turned to the producer and said something about wanting to milk the movie for a little more money and the producer came back with something that he thought was witty. And that was that. But, i guess it was pretty telling that they completely avoided the question and they quickly wrapped it up after that.

ThatGuamGuy 01-14-05 09:20 AM


Originally Posted by mzupeman2
But I don't see why the full two hour documentary wasn't included before.

I think it was because they wanted to squeeze it down to a one-disc release.

mzupeman2 01-14-05 01:49 PM

I'm not obsessed with Jaws. And it's not that I 'just don't get it'. I do... but you know what, not everybody on this planet is going to have that much passion about Jaws to the point where they practically sound like they're willing to throw themselves on a live grenade in order to save the original soundtrack. I am well aware how many of you activist 'give us the original!' nuts there are out there for ANY film that exists. And I would be quite disappointed for a movie that I'm head over heals with to change. But as far as Jaws is concerned, I personally, PERSONALLY, do not see the big deal. Some of you people need to find better things to do than sit around pulling your hair out over a 5.1 track that doesn't sound that bad. Wow, you're amazing, you know this movie inside out. Wow, I envy you, you have the entire movie memorized word for word. I understand why this little change upsets you, I understand how it goes. But me buddy, it just doesn't make a difference to me. I'm willing to watch the movie to watch the story and the excitement and the action, not nit-pick. Life is short. Live it.

dx23 01-14-05 05:09 PM

Jaws - Chomp Biting 30th Anniversary Edition
Extras: Forced Trailers of Jaws 2, Jaws 3 and Jaws: The Revenge

Cygnet74 01-14-05 06:08 PM


Originally Posted by mzupeman2
Life is short. Live it.

we could just chalk it up to a divide between DVD collectors and cinephiles. i couldn't imagine a true film-lover claiming there's something wrong with preferring to hear an academy award winning sound mix. on the other hand, i couldn't imagine a home theatre enthusiast hunting down a rare copy of Antonioni's The Red Desert despite the DVD's known flaws. life is short, indeed. short enough for me to look beyond 'entertainment value' and place the study of film and the art of filmmaking at the forefront of my life's pursuits.

LikeMiamiVice 01-14-05 06:24 PM


Originally Posted by QuiGonJosh
Have you heard the DTS mix for Jaws? Sounds excellent for a 30 year old movie, hell it just sounds excellent period.

thank you

gutwrencher 01-14-05 06:28 PM


Originally Posted by mzupeman2
I am well aware how many of you activist 'give us the original!' nuts there are out there for ANY film that exists. And I would be quite disappointed for a movie that I'm head over heals with to change. But as far as Jaws is concerned, I personally, PERSONALLY, do not see the big deal.

if you don't care about 1 film...then you don't really care about any at all. let dis-respect be shown to 1 film...might as well let the entire catalog of films suffer. perfect example of people who really see no need with films being presented properly. the new mix? maybe it's not that bad. to me, thats not the point. include the fucking original track with it, like it should be(no-brainer) and we can avoid all this weeping.

rq42 01-14-05 07:45 PM

i gotta pretty simple comment, lol, basically i'd like to see this get a 'boxset' type treatment. basically in a slip case with 2 or three discs jam packed with extras that do the movie justice. like how they done shawshank redemption... but again, with features that do the movie justice, haha!

thanks!!

tommyp007 01-14-05 07:50 PM


Originally Posted by TNAJason
I'd only buy if one of the following happened.....
Steven Speilberg Commentary
Full 2 + Hour Documentary

So that means,that for once Universal will do one or both of these things,and they will make me buy it.

:up:

digitalfreaknyc 01-14-05 07:56 PM


Originally Posted by mzupeman2
I'm willing to watch the movie to watch the story and the excitement and the action, not nit-pick. Life is short. Live it.

Then after your little rant, it begs one question: why exactly are in here? To tell us all we whine too much?

Thanks but no thanks.

Julie Walker 01-14-05 11:53 PM

Digital,I think some people just hate people not prefering a 5.1 remix. Since you know,since it's 5.1,its 'newer',which means 'better' and we are just old fossils living in the 'past' man,you know,mono is like so 1900! ;)

I am not against all 5.1 remixes and in fact thought the 5.1 mixes of Carrie and The Fog sounded excellent(compared to their obviously unrestored mono mixes on the dvd). Meanwhile MGMs release of Dressed To Kill,the mono mix sounds superior while the 5.1 sounds more superficial and less atmospheric.

Oh I just watched my laserdisc tonight,since I have'nt watched the film in a couple years. I hooked up my laserdisc player to my sound system,cranked the volume up nicely and was blown away. I don't know how anyone who laughs about mono would find this mix 'outdated' 'cramped' and 'lacking'.

It was extremely atmospheric and powerful..and obviouslly in no need of an 'upgrade'. So it would be nice if it were released on dvd. That is the logical thing to do,but unfortunately most studios listen to those who think 5.1 is 'god' more than those who appreciate the real original film(O.A.R. and original audio).

Feathers McGraw 01-15-05 05:11 AM


Originally Posted by TomOpus
This stance of Spielberg's has been brought up a lot here. But I remember someone had brought up that he meant they ruin the movie-watching experience. It's like someone talking to you while you're trying to watch a movie. He feels there's a time to talk about his movies... just not DURING the movie.

He's completely missing the point, of course.

When I listen to a commentary, I'm not watching the movie. I'm actually listening to someone talk about a movie, as if I was attending a lecture.

In fact, I often find the the film distracts my listening to the commentary (especially if they leave the film audio too high), and will often turn the tv off so the images don't interfere.

The image is there during a commentary solely so that you can something that might be discussed during the commentary. It's not there to watch the film.

mzupeman2 01-15-05 09:04 AM

What I mean by life is short, is that the movie is on DVD now. It has the 5.1 track and if that's how it is, I'm going to buy it. I'm not going to forget about watching a movie because the soundtrack has been altered to try and fit my home theater systems capabilities. So many people I see saying 'well I'm not going to be such and such a movie because it doesn't have exactly what I want on it'. Kudos to you for not wasting your money on something you don't want, but I believe if you truly love a film, just buy it, and watch it. You may never get the version of the film you're looking for on DVD, and to me, that's just not worth waiting years and year of waiting for a better mix, an original mix. I'm not saying 5.1 sound to Jaws is SUPERIOR, but that's what has been given to me in the stores and I'll bite. If you want the original mix and it eventually comes out, then buy it again. All these people when Star Wars came out, 'Well, I'm going to wait until 2007 or 2008 to buy a possibly coming out thirty year anniversary collectors set'. That's a huge chunk of time to wait for something, instead of enjoying it now. Be upset about it if you want reguarding things that have changed for movies you love, but to neglect the movie entirely, you so called 'movie lovers', is like dropping a baby off in orphanage just because it may have a birth defect. Once again, I'm not one of the types who are completely for 5.1 instead of mono, as I've said in prior posts, if they ever released a movie I own in mono (which was originally recorded in mono of course), in 5.1, I wouldn't purchase it. But since Jaws is here for me NOW in 5.1, I'll take it. 5.1 doesn't always mean 'better', I'm well aware of it.

digitalfreaknyc 01-15-05 09:51 AM

Again, you seem to be missing the point. I think a lot of people are complaining more about the 5.1 remix including sound effects that don't fit and were not a part of the original mix more than it just simply being "remixed" to 5.1. At least, that's my big beef with it.

Also, some genius invented "paragraphs" for a reason. Mzupeman...i'd look into that option. Makes for an easier read. ;)

rdclark 01-15-05 05:53 PM

Someone alluded to this earlier but it deserves to be pointed out explicitly:

This movie won an Oscar for Best Sound.

The sound that won the Oscar was the original mono mix.

To not include the Oscar-winning soundtrack in a DVD re-release is just... stupid.

RichC


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