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Old 10-07-04 | 05:53 PM
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The movie is likely to reach a lot of people this month through video rentals. Some people didn't want to go see it in the theater but are curious about it, so they will rent it. Watch the rental charts the next few weeks, I predict this will be #1 for two or three weeks and stay near the top for a while.

Doesn't matter who wins for this movie to continue to be regarded as important. Whatever you think of the movie or your politics, the movie created a dialogue that America was not having before. It got people talking and discussing important issues, and hopefully, it got people thinking as well.
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Old 10-07-04 | 05:56 PM
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Please. It's Michael Moore preaching to the choir and needling Republicans.
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Old 10-07-04 | 06:11 PM
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I can't wait to pick this up tomorrow.....
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Old 10-07-04 | 06:17 PM
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This movie will become a moot point when the Communist Party is elected and all your land becomes state owned! Even worse, homosexual marriages will not only become legal, they will be mandatory!
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OK, here's a little statistical analysis. Assuming that the Reuters article is accurate, only 600,000 copies were sold to individuals on Tuesday. Let's assume that say, another 900,000 were sold to individuals since then. That's 1.5 million. Al Gore got ~50 million votes in 2000. Assuming that 80% of them were consistent Democrats, there were 40 million Democrats voting. Assuming that a negligible amount of independents and Republicans purchased this film, fewer than 4% of all Democrats that voted in 2000 have purchased F9/11, or 1 for every 25 individuals. Factor in that fewer Democrats than Republicans live in multi-person households (gay or otherwise), perhaps 1 in 15 of all Democratic homes have F9/11. Not exactly a huge impact.
It doesn't need to have a huge impact. In 2000, six states were decided by a margin of 10,000 votes or fewer.

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Old 10-07-04 | 07:46 PM
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This movie will become a moot point when the Communist Party is elected and all your land becomes state owned! Even worse, homosexual marriages will not only become legal, they will be mandatory!
Still not sure this is worse than the current administration.
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Old 10-07-04 | 10:35 PM
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My grandfather had a saying (almost 15 years ago)...of some sort...which was something like this:

Dont say "whoop" before you jump!!

It does not translate well in English but I think that you could get the meaning of it.

As to the DVD a SE is most certainly on its way

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next year it won't matter now that Kerry is president
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Old 10-08-04 | 12:02 AM
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Old 10-08-04 | 01:01 AM
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I would say 600k copies sold through in 1 day for a documentary type film is pretty damn impressive. I thought this was going to be a huge renter, but I am surprised at the number of people buying it.

As much as I despise Bush, At the most I might rent this to see what all the hype is about. But I really don't put a whole lot of stock in Moore's films after the way he shamelessly edited together the Charlton Heston segments on BFC to try and paint the man as a rascist. While I tend to agree with his point of view on most issues, I do not agree with with some of the slimey, classless and deceptive tactics he uses to get those points across.
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Old 10-08-04 | 01:19 AM
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Are those sales mostly the video stores that buy them to rent them out?
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Old 10-08-04 | 12:35 PM
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Well...

I can't wait for next Friday when the official DVD sales charts for this week are released!
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In ten years this will be like the propaganda of WWI and WWII - exactly that propaganda. An incomplete one sided history is not something that kids are going to be watching in class to learn anything. They may watch it to see how Freedom of Speech works and how propaganda works, but not in history class.

I don't agree with everything Bush does or says, but God help us all if those two liars (this may be too harsh, when they say 10 different contrasting things, it is hard to tell if they are liars or idiots that can no remember their own position on things) the Dems are trotting out win.

Oh, I was in the journalism field and left it because I got tired of the bias and liberal nature I had to endure. I consider myself a moderate and actually voted for TN's Democratic Gov. So don't automatically label me as some hell bent conservative Republican.
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This is the first time I've ever seen a DVD sales release that mentions sales to video stores. I'm wondering if the "4 million copies of The Passion" or "8 million copies of Finding Nemo" went to video stores? Why did that figure get trotted out for Fahrenheit 9/11?
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Old 10-08-04 | 05:34 PM
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Well the rental figures have been trotted out in the interests of "fairness and balance," obviously....
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Old 10-08-04 | 08:54 PM
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Originally posted by speedyray
God help us all if those two liars (this may be too harsh, when they say 10 different contrasting things, it is hard to tell if they are liars or idiots that can no remember their own position on things) the Dems are trotting out win.
Until you said "Dems" there at the end, I couldn't figure out which pair of liars you were unhappy with.
I consider myself a moderate and actually voted for TN's Democratic Gov. So don't automatically label me as some hell bent conservative Republican.
And some of my closest friends are black.
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Old 10-08-04 | 10:45 PM
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It doesn't need to have a huge impact. In 2000, six states were decided by a margin of 10,000 votes or fewer.
Speaking of which....while every disgruntled Democrat always brings up Florida and those waskily 567(?) votes that Bush "stole the election by", they always seem to omit that Gore only won New Mexico by 366.

Now on to F-9/11 (and any other Michael Moore film)....I am still amazed at how many people are so willing to be lied to for ~2 hours, not to mention to pay to be lied to.

As alot of people say about movies and their sequals, Michael Moore should have quit with Roger & Me when he was ahead. His follow-up movies have been nothing but a bunch of anti-American, anti-capitalism, anti-military, anti-gun propaganda pieces.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Moore state in F-9/11 that "There is no terrorist threat"? Now if he and anyone believes that for a second, then they've got a serious problem. And they'd be better off moving to la-la land.
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Now on to F-9/11 (and any other Michael Moore film)....I am still amazed at how many people are so willing to be lied to for ~2 hours, not to mention to pay to be lied to.
Please, the entire film is not a lie. There were parts of the film I dismissed as Moore's opinions such as Bush stealing the election. That can never be proved or disproved, I have read news stories supporting both sides. I also know Fox News had nothing to do with Bush getting elected he was just trying to point out their conservative bias. There were silly things in the film as well. Bush sitting there for 7 minutes after the attacks is not that surprising. I would have been in shock as well. The films first third draws conclusions based on very weak facts. I've looked at many of his sources for stuff like the Bush families connections to Saudi Arabi, but it really boils down to Moore's opinions and not hard facts. You can find conflicting news stories for many of his sources and its really hard to no which one is right in every situation. His usually stunts in the film never impress me either. We all know that politicians protect their kids from war and asking congressmen to enlist their kids is a dumb stunt. However, he is dead right about the people that fight these wars. Throughout history it is the people at the bottom of the social ladder that fight the wars while many of the privileged that most benefit protect their own children from it.

There are a lot of truths in the film. Especially when it gets to the Iraq war. The attitudes of those soldiers are very real my brother in law is fighting over there and ever letter we get confirms what is in the film. Also the innocents killed whether they be citizens of Iraq or soldiers are very real and painful, but necessary to see as well. That mother that lost her son is going through what hundreds of parents have gone through during the Iraq war.

It can be argued whether Bush's motives for going to Iraq were wrong. Another thing hard to prove or disprove. However, I think there is something to the arguement that this war is about a lot more than we are being told. Corporations are getting rich over this conflict and that oil over there can not be dismissed.

The film is important and can not be dismissed no matter how much conservatives would like to. The arguement that it is all lies is a weak one that is easy to disprove. It is Moore's viewpoint and opinions, but there is fact and real human drama in there as well.

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Old 10-09-04 | 12:11 AM
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Rewatch value = next to nothing. This is a renter, if you are interested...

("IMO", for political correctness)
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Old 10-09-04 | 12:43 AM
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It is Moore's viewpoint and opinions...
Which is exactly why it can be dismissed. I chuckle at those who insist on treating this movie as some sort of serious and important work. It's an infomercial for the left wing propagandist and bloviator himself, nothing more. Folks love this film in the same way folks roar "Set it, and forget it!" during Ron Popeil's television spots. If you are entertained by listening to a man's one-sided, paranoid, and often fictionalized spin on how he thinks things work in the world, more power to you. But any resemblance to history or current events is purely coincidental.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Moore state in F-9/11 that "There is no terrorist threat"? Now if he and anyone believes that for a second, then they've got a serious problem. And they'd be better off moving to la-la land.
You're wrong, but only on where he said it. It was in one of his books, but he never says there is no terrorist threat in the film.
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Old 10-09-04 | 02:23 AM
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If you are entertained by listening to a man's one-sided, paranoid, and often fictionalized spin on how he thinks things work in the world, more power to you. But any resemblance to history or current events is purely coincidental.

ahhhh...so that's what this film is all about. Ok...

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Originally posted by Mike Lowrey
Speaking of which....while every disgruntled Democrat always brings up Florida and those waskily 567(?) votes that Bush "stole the election by", they always seem to omit that Gore only won New Mexico by 366.
New Mexico didn't erroneously purge their voter rolls of 90,000 mostly minority voters at the behest of the President's brother and his administration.

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His follow-up movies have been nothing but a bunch of anti-American, anti-capitalism, anti-military, anti-gun propaganda pieces.
You throw a lot of rhetoric around. How exactly have Moore's films been "anti-American"? You can fault Moore as a filmmaker (I do, in many regards), but his angle has always been to stand up for the American worker and underclasses. How exactly is that "unpatriotic"? Furthermore, Bowling for Columbine was not an anti-gun movie (although for you to make that proposition, it's abundantly clear you never saw the film.)

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Moore state in F-9/11 that "There is no terrorist threat"?
Nope.
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Old 10-09-04 | 12:11 PM
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I would like to see the thing, but I will not buy it. I did not like Columbine (I fell asleep) but find true documentaries interesting. Too bad Moore did not do this. Hurts his credibility except with the radicals who will belive anything or any rumor regardless of who its about.

If he wins best picture it will be because the make up of the film industriy is predomantly democratic.

BTW, for the record I am an undecided voter, although I am very disturbed by the fact Florida was hijacked last election. I vote whats best for the country - period.
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