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Old 09-21-04 | 11:31 PM
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In ROTJ did anyone else notice the black blob on the right of the Emperor's hood during the close ups just before the light saber duel. whats up with that?
The RotJ blob is still there? Jesus... with all of the shit they did to these films, they didn't fix that yet? I just assumed that'd be tackled before they erased eyebrows or plopped dancing gungans into the film.

(That blob has been there for every home video version -- original and SE. It's assumed that a mic or other object was visible within the cloak, so they blocked it out with a traveling black matte. Still, in today's CGI-age... I would assume they could do a more transparent job of it.)
Old 09-22-04 | 12:21 AM
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The blobs were hand-animated in to cover up part of the emporer's makeup that stuck out around his eyes. Apparently it looked OK when they were filming, but the final product the makeup looked odd.
Old 09-22-04 | 12:29 AM
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I noticed in the Yavin moon scene you see a bright orange planet in the sky which wasn't there before. I guess since the moon is so close to Yavin, I guess it makes sense that you can see it.

Trash compactor monster looks different (though I don't know if it's "improved"). The binary suns look different too.
Old 09-22-04 | 12:32 AM
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Originally posted by darmok
was it me or did the sands of tatooine look like it was shifting tones?? this was the scene where R2 and 3PO were parting ways in ANH, and then the following scene when 3PO comes across that large skeleton in the desert. the sand shifts color from extreme yellow/orange, to tinges of green, and then to various shades of dull yellow (the way it was originally). i had my brother eyeball this also, and we both agreed it looked inconsistent and BAD!!!!
I noticed that as well, and that was one of my other main disappointments with these DVDs. Other changes aside, I thought at the very least they would have fixed all the color issues.
Old 09-22-04 | 02:05 AM
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I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the countless changes in sound effects done to ANH. The worst one I heard had to be the new high pitched yell done by Obi-Wan to scare the Sand People away.

I haven't watched Empire or Jedi yet, but I hope to God they dont suck as much.
Old 09-22-04 | 04:34 AM
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One thing that still has not been fixed is the shot of Red 10. The first pic is before Red Leader makes his hit on the exhaust port, and Red 10 says, "I can't hold them!" The second pic is the reaction shot, but of a different pilot. If it was not a "true" continuity error, then it might have been an editorial decision since they didn't have a reaction shot of Red 10. But just who is this other pilot? He wasn't there during roll call.

Old 09-22-04 | 05:14 AM
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What's nice is we now live in an age where we, as movie owners, can edit our own movies the way we want to with the appropriate software and burner.
Old 09-22-04 | 06:03 AM
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I don't get why anything would be left un-fixed.
Could it be that Lucas and company are neck deep in Episode III post-production, and that Lucas didn't have time to obssess over every little detail. Maybe he sent off a small group of ILM guys and told them to fix things. Who knows? But I would wait until after Episode III to see what Lucas does with these movies.

Personally, I don't see anymore changes, except for some more small cleanups. But I wouldn't be surprised if the things that weren't fixed for this released, are fixed for the rumored 2007 release.
Old 09-22-04 | 07:58 AM
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On ANH the stuff I noticed was...

Jabba, IMO, looked like shit. He just seemed incomplete. His eyes looked the same color as the rest of him, maybe a shade or two off. And the voice was slightly different. I don't know, adding this scene hasn't really sat well with me since 1997.

The other really noticable point was the addition of thousands of laser blasts. In all the hallway shoot outs it seems like they really added a lot more cross fire into the mix.

Along with the usual audio changes... Screams, blasts, echos, etc.

On Empire (I'm watching as I write this: Luke's training scene)...

The altered "Emperor scene," IMO, was pretty cool.... I excpected to hate it but felt the opposite after watching it. Maybe I'm crazy.

I think watching Jedi will be the biggest test for me, that seems to be the one with the most "story" alterations. We'll see.
Old 09-22-04 | 08:35 AM
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I do have to say one good thing regarding teh audio on ANH (thats all I watched so far) the scene where Luke/Leia are getting ready to swing across the chasm on the DeathStar, the blaster rifles being fired in that scene actually sound more like laser gunsnow, intead of the colt45's they used to sound like in the VHS tape
Old 09-22-04 | 08:56 AM
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Still watching Empire...

Noticed they removed Luke's scream (from the '97 version) as he fell from Vader.
Old 09-22-04 | 08:59 AM
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Still watching Empire...

Noticed they removed Luke's scream (from the '97 version) as he fell from Vader.

That's the scene I went to first. I was very pleasantly surprised.
Old 09-22-04 | 09:24 AM
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And now Jedi... Just went watched the Jabba "dance scene," not that there's anything new from the '97 version... But it just made me think...

When was ol' George doing more drugs? In the late 70's when he created these creatures and their names or in the late 90's-present when he made these ludercris re-edits/inserts?

Just a thought... I don't want to change the theme of the thread.
Old 09-22-04 | 09:29 AM
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Originally posted by bboisvert
The RotJ blob is still there? Jesus... with all of the shit they did to these films, they didn't fix that yet? I just assumed that'd be tackled before they erased eyebrows or plopped dancing gungans into the film.

(That blob has been there for every home video version -- original and SE. It's assumed that a mic or other object was visible within the cloak, so they blocked it out with a traveling black matte. Still, in today's CGI-age... I would assume they could do a more transparent job of it.)
This is the 1st time I ever noticed it... Maybee because its now on DVD and I'm watching it on a much bigger TV than I ever had before.
Old 09-22-04 | 10:18 AM
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Hmm...didn't really notice most of those things. I'm glad that they "fixed" the Han/Greedo scene. It's not the original, but it's MUCH better than the SE version. Same with Jabba. I think he looks much better than the SE version (in ANH). More like the way he looks in the prequels.

I'm SO glad they took out Luke's scream in ESB. That is great. Also, I thought the Emperor scene was pretty cool. Having Boba Fett's voice be different was a little jarring, but I don't really mind it, I guess. Now it will make more sense when you watch all six.

I'm trying to remember the changes to Jedi. Adding Naboo to the end celebrations was cool, and I don't really mind that Hayden is the ghost at the end. I thought it looked fine, and it makes sense to me story-wise. Can't think of anything else. All in all, the changes were for the good, IMHO.

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Old 09-22-04 | 10:36 AM
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Originally posted by Superboy
Anyone else notice that for just one scene in ANH, while luke is training with the droid, that his lightsaber is green?
Absolutely green. Just makes you shake your head and wonder what these restoration guys were sniffing.
Old 09-22-04 | 10:51 AM
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The green sabe ron the Falcon has to be the biggest overlook given the attention to clean things up.

The other thing I noticed is that almost every shot of a laser actually hitting somebody is taken out. It's like they wanted to tone down the violence by not showing the little burn effects the movies orginally had. Pretty odd since they left the two severed arms in the movies.
Old 09-22-04 | 11:57 AM
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The green sabe ron the Falcon has to be the biggest overlook given the attention to clean things up.

The other thing I noticed is that almost every shot of a laser actually hitting somebody is taken out. It's like they wanted to tone down the violence by not showing the little burn effects the movies orginally had. Pretty odd since they left the two severed arms in the movies.
Really? I still saw burn holes in ESB...
Old 09-22-04 | 02:14 PM
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The other thing I noticed is that almost every shot of a laser actually hitting somebody is taken out. It's like they wanted to tone down the violence by not showing the little burn effects the movies orginally had. Pretty odd since they left the two severed arms in the movies.
They were removed for the '97 SE's. There is a link at dvdfile that does quicktime (I think) comparisions between original and SE footage of the "magnesium flare" impacts on Imperial officers in the dentention block sequence. Its just a few frames per shot that are removed, but it does change the overall violent impact of the scenes. I think it was a bad editorial decision...

...but at least he didn't insert walkie talkies for the guns.
Old 09-22-04 | 02:22 PM
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was the severed arm in the cantina scene toned down in this release, or back in '97? i remember a longer pan shot of the severed arm, with more blood splatter to the left of the stump.
Old 09-22-04 | 02:29 PM
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Originally posted by darmok
was the severed arm in the cantina scene toned down in this release, or back in '97? i remember a longer pan shot of the severed arm, with more blood splatter to the left of the stump.
It has always been the same in all six versions.
Old 09-22-04 | 02:32 PM
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Jabba, IMO, looked like shit. He just seemed incomplete. His eyes looked the same color as the rest of him, maybe a shade or two off.
I guess Lucas' lackeys at ILM were too busy to take the extra ten minutes to make his eyes the bloodshot red that we would see them as in Jedi. Maybe Jabba's wearing contacts for this scene.
Old 09-22-04 | 02:55 PM
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I don't really mind that Hayden is the ghost at the end. I thought it looked fine, and it makes sense to me story-wise.
Care to explain it to the rest of us?
Old 09-22-04 | 03:02 PM
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I don't get it. Lucas could still "fix" the mistakes he saw without making it so cgi looking. It goes from grainy film to crisp, fluid and almost completely different stylistically. Had he kept the overall look the same, I'm sure there would be fewer complaints.
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Care to explain it to the rest of us?
Well the question is: should the ghost look like the person before they die or, in Vader's case, before he turned to the darkside? Either way, I think it makes not sense. You don't see Ewan as Obi Wan.


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