Not having seen Traces of Death myself, I can't comment on it directly. But I have seen a couple of the Faces of Death back when I was in high school, and the reason that it can be almost laughable is that most of these people's deaths are caused by themselves being stupid and/or careless (Waterskiing while drunk, bungee jumping and the cord is too long, etc.). I could watch that no problem, and actually chuckle at the idiocy, but when they got to the parts where they'd show a slaughterhouse, or an Asian family preparing dog, I had to leave the room.

I have more respect for animals than most people when it comes to things like that, because people have the choice in most of those situations. They ended up causing their own deaths, rather directly or indirectly. Animals don't have that choice.

On Topic: I just pre-ordered Cannibal Holocaust from DDD. Seems to be the lowest price so far, and with the limited run on this, I definately wanted to get in early.

as another Shag-like name, I ordered mine too from DDD to get in early

There you go. That sums it up for perfectly. Like when they were showing some european race and these huge crowds of people are practically standing ON the race track, its a little funny to me when a car comes skidding by and wipes out 20-30 of them.

would DDD ship it out any sooner than say DVD Empire or Digital Eyes?

Wouldn't see why DDD would ship it any sooner than Digital Eyes, they use the same shipping location don't they? FWIW, DVD Empire has always had my pre-orders at the door on street date. YMMV.

Faces of the Death,at least the orginial was mostly faked with laughable results. I don't know about the 'sequels',which may have begun to include real crime/accident footage. But the original is definitely faked for the most part.

Now Traces of Death(or any other real death compilations) which I refuse to view. Contain the real thing only. From graphic crime scene footage,suicides caught of tape,tortures,animal killings,gross out operation footage and so forth. All played to heavy metal music and or a cold hearted narrator making jokes about the footage and 'why' the people 'deserved' to die.

I don't understand how anyone could watch this stuff. Since other than possibly being numbed/bored with a barrage of real atrocity footage. There is really no point to the footage and why it is being shown. So it's just senseless insensitive shock value for shock values sake. And more offensive since it's the real thing treated so shallowly.


So if you can watch those 'films' and laugh at the real carnage to people,but end up being deeply offended and shocked/upset by any animal violence. Then your priorities are mixed up and somethings not right upstairs.



This attitude I do not understand at all.Where people value animal lives over human lives. Death is death,regardless if the humans 'can decide what to do' while the animals 'act on instinct and have no control over what they do'. It's a lame reasoning to 'justify' being 'ok' with viewing real human death,while being offended and 'hurt' by seeing real animal death.

The only time when I would'nt feel 'sad' at an animals death. Is if say it attacked and attempting to kill a person and was subsequently killed in the process.

For example,the story of the old guy in Africa being attacked and mauled by a panther and ripping the panthers tongue out,and then a person coming to the rescue and killing it with a machete.

On one forum where this news story was mentioned. A person actually replied with simply "Poor panther" and that was it. Um if the animal was just minding it's own business and then killed sensless for no reason other than 'fun'. Yeah,then be sad at what happened. Yet if it was savagely attacking and trying to kill someone,then it gets no sympathy from myself and got what it deserved.

That about sums up my feelings as well. I don't get the Traces of Death garbage. To me if you can watch that and laugh, you aren't feeling empathy like a normal human being. Laughing at other people's misery (and worse death) is something psychopaths do. As for animals, I don't like to see them hurt or killed senselessly either. My sympathy increases depending on the relative intelligence of the creature, but I still don't like to see even some kid pull the legs off of a cockroach. If your house is infested with rats and you exterminate them all, that's one thing. Or if you slaughter a pig or cow for food. In that case, hopefully you try to make it as quick and painless as possible. But if you just kill it for no reason whatsoever, or to satisfy some perverted sense of pleasure, well that's just sick imo. For that reason I really detest the animal killings in CH. They could have faked it if they really thought it was a necessary inclusion. Likewise for the human execution footage (even though the filmmakers weren't themselves responsible for those killings). No need to exploit somebody's real death when it's simple and easy to fake it with actors, movie blood, and a few squibs and blanks. The movie is what it is, and I don't believe that it ought to be banned or censored, but it'd sure be nice if future filmmakers wouldn't emulate their tactics.

I was thinking that too. OMG, one whole street with Chinese signs!!! It's like some weird future!!

The FOD sequels also have their share of very faked death scenes. I haven't seen any TRACES OF DEATH videos either, but from what I've read about them in the book "Killing For Culture" (excellent book, btw), they do involve more real footage.

First review is online:

http://www.monstersatplay.com/review...locaust_gh.php

Talk about a must-have.



ILSA

I'm still trying to understand how and why they came up with the number : 11,111 (limited edition copies that is).

I'd like #0666 please.

My order is "Currently being Processed for Shipment"...

I found the part of that review about the missing seconds in the "LAST ROAD TO HELL" sequence to be a bit startling and confusing. OK - he says there are two versions of it and the sequence in the actual film is still apparently the "cut" version that many were outraged over when it suddenly appeared "cut" on the EC-PAL release of a couple of years ago, but does that mean the original negative was damaged? What exactly IS this alternate version of that sequence. Did they really create a second variation of this sequence for different prints in different markets? The completely UNCUT version has been around for years starting in the 80's on the bootleg market, the Cult Epics laserdisc, the Substance DVD rip, the first PAL EC dvd, and others - all have included the uncut "Last Road to Hell" sequence. Only with that EC NTSC release from a couple of years ago did that sequence show up in edited form. So if the original negative is "cut", where have all these other uncut prints come from for over 20+ years? The reviewer tries to be clear about all of this, but ends up just making it even more confusing, although at least he does reiterate that it is the cut version in the actual film.

Ya, I know it's only a few seconds and apparently the DVD itself decribes why there are two versions of the sequence, but it definitely struck an initial WTF with me when reading that review. I'll reserve final judgment until I know the reasoning behind it, but once again, I'm a bit relieved that I've held onto some of my prior transfers of the completely uncut film (or at least the completely uncut "alternate" version - which is, of course, the version most of us have been watching for 25 years.

I'm sure this Grindhouse release is absolutely incredible - don't get me wrong - and whatever the case is with these few missing seconds (or "alternate version", whatever), it doesn't take away what an essential purchase this is.

^I'm still confused about it too. I've only seen this movie twice. First time was on a French copy (Much more unsettling watching this movie in a foreign language) and I caught noticable jumps in the score during the "Last Road to Hell" sequence and knew something was missing.
Did some IMDB'ng and found out that some of the footage included was some child executions.
Saw the movie a 2nd time (On the Substance DVD) The score ran complete this time on "The Last Road to Hell", but no child executions.

So does the EC disc have these scenes? I'm not saying I'm anxious to see this footage. Just wondering, ya know...

And to Julie Walker too.

I just placed an order 'Blind Buy'.

really? I never knew that. Glad I didn't sell my copy then.

but if I reading this right, the Grindhouse DVD does have the full uncut scene, just not integrated in the actual scene but as a supplement... right?

from the MonstersAtPlay review:

There was a huge stink made when the recent import release I mentioned earlier was missing a few seconds of footage from this segment. The Last Road to Hell is comprised of footage from a "previous documentary" from the filmmakers that are now lost in the jungle. The footage is brief and consists of some mondo footage, people being executed etc. There is a brief shot (no pun intended) from a firing squad that's missing, really only a second or two of footage. As it turns out, the original negatives contain an alternate version with different credits/footage which is the version included here. The alternate cut is included here as well as an extra with some explanations as to the differences between them. Just to clarify, the version of The Last Road to Hell in the film is missing a few seconds of this footage because it's missing from the original negative. The alternate version that does include this footage is included as an extra.

from IMDB:

The most uncut version is the EC entertainment 2-Disc Superbit DVD. This is the longest edition of the film ever released on DVD or Laserdisc. It includes 3 small cuts missing from the Italian DVD and the re-mastered EC Entertainment DVD, and 1 cut which is missing from the German DVD, Cult epics VHS/Laserdisc, and the first EC Entertainment DVD. Among these cuts are additional material added to the 'Last Road to Hell' sequence with real child executions and added snippets of dialogue.

I may as well order this to go with my EC 2 disc limited. I'm a sucker for limited stuff.

Where is everybody ordering from?

DVD Empire: Cannibal Holocaust (25th Anniversary Edition) price: $18.67

I'm ordering it from Amazon though, cause I get triple points with my Amazon Visa.

this is the 'EC' version you have... right?

Cannibal Holocaust

cause I have this supposed 'edited' EC version

Cannibal Holocaust-EC import

Yup... I went with DVD Empire. Shipped this morning.

yep. thats the one I have.