Goodfellas:SE somewhat rant(possible spoiler)
08-26-04, 04:36 PM
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Re: Re: Re: Goodfellas:SE somewhat rant(possible spoiler)
Originally posted by mrchrispy
Not trying to jump on you for passing on the info Mr. Salty, but this should have been corrected. If Criterion can extensively repair underappreciated art house films then Warner can certainly do the same with one of the biggest titles in their catalogue.
Not trying to jump on you for passing on the info Mr. Salty, but this should have been corrected. If Criterion can extensively repair underappreciated art house films then Warner can certainly do the same with one of the biggest titles in their catalogue.
During the shot in question the scratch travels over DeNiro's face. My suspicion --- and it's only a guess --- is that fixing an artifact that goes over a face could intoduce problems that are as bad as the scratch.
08-27-04, 04:01 AM
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What I noticed was a shift of colors within the zebra pattern throw over the sofa in the scene where Karen is showing visitors their new home. Right at 1:29:17 when the camera pans over to the sofa.
I haven't seen anyone else talk about it, so maybe it's just my copy??
I haven't seen anyone else talk about it, so maybe it's just my copy??
08-27-04, 10:35 AM
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Razor Ramon,
The distortion you observed sounds like moira (not sure if I spelled that right) . If so the problem isn't the disc, but the way you have connected the dvd player to the dvd. A composite cable (the standard yellow picture cable that has been connecting VCRs and DVDs for decades) combines both luminance (brightness) and chrominance (color) information into one connection to the tv. When displaying zebra-like or instensely lined batterns you'll often get a splash of color over the pattern due to the tv's comb filter being unable to adequately detect which part of the signal information is brightness and which is color.
All you need to do to correct the problem is upgrade to an S-Video or Component cable (provided your tv has the inputs). Both of these connection standards seperate luminance and chrominance at the source.
The distortion you observed sounds like moira (not sure if I spelled that right) . If so the problem isn't the disc, but the way you have connected the dvd player to the dvd. A composite cable (the standard yellow picture cable that has been connecting VCRs and DVDs for decades) combines both luminance (brightness) and chrominance (color) information into one connection to the tv. When displaying zebra-like or instensely lined batterns you'll often get a splash of color over the pattern due to the tv's comb filter being unable to adequately detect which part of the signal information is brightness and which is color.
All you need to do to correct the problem is upgrade to an S-Video or Component cable (provided your tv has the inputs). Both of these connection standards seperate luminance and chrominance at the source.
08-27-04, 01:29 PM
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Well, good news. Tower got more copies in stock right away. Now I just have to swing by there and get it. Of course, I had to call them to check on it even though they insisted I would be notified just as soon as they got more. I'm sure with my luck they had a whole bunch more in the back the whole time and I just got the lazy sales clerk who didn't bother to check. I seems weird that they were sold out and restocked the very next day. I mean, we are a lonely island out in the Pacific - unless they airmailed the shipment or had already ordered more several days earlier, it seems a bit suspect. Oh well, at least now I won't have to wait 3 weeks. I sold my old flipper copy 3 years ago and have avoided watching the film ever since in anticipation of this new DVD release. For once going to work will be a little exciting since Tower is right on the way! Too bad we don't have a DVD player at work though...
08-27-04, 02:16 PM
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Originally posted by mrchrispy
Razor Ramon,
The distortion you observed sounds like moira (not sure if I spelled that right) .
Razor Ramon,
The distortion you observed sounds like moira (not sure if I spelled that right) .
08-27-04, 02:24 PM
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Yeah, Warner has access to great digital restoration tools (and LDI), but that doesn't mean a flaw like that can be fixed.
Even Lowry Digital Images has trouble with erasing vertical lines. They were able to do it for Raiders of the Lost Ark, but it was an entire reel. That would be very obvious.
In the end, Martin Scorsese probably was asked about digitally fixing it and he said no. It's just one shot, anyways.
Even Lowry Digital Images has trouble with erasing vertical lines. They were able to do it for Raiders of the Lost Ark, but it was an entire reel. That would be very obvious.
In the end, Martin Scorsese probably was asked about digitally fixing it and he said no. It's just one shot, anyways.
08-28-04, 03:48 PM
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I have the original and didn't upgrade. From reading this post, I did a goodah thingah.
08-28-04, 04:34 PM
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Originally posted by DVD Polizei
I have the original and didn't upgrade. From reading this post, I did a goodah thingah.
I have the original and didn't upgrade. From reading this post, I did a goodah thingah.
08-28-04, 05:33 PM
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Originally posted by DVD Polizei
I have the original and didn't upgrade. From reading this post, I did a goodah thingah.
I have the original and didn't upgrade. From reading this post, I did a goodah thingah.
New transfer, digitally remastered, not split over a flipper and a boatload of substantive extras, $15.99.
08-28-04, 08:27 PM
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Wow I hope that was a joke.
Wow I hope that was a joke.
08-29-04, 01:12 AM
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It is. I couldn't stand the flipper thing.
08-29-04, 11:26 AM
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Originally posted by DVD Polizei
I have the original and didn't upgrade. From reading this post, I did a goodah thingah.
I have the original and didn't upgrade. From reading this post, I did a goodah thingah.
08-29-04, 12:47 PM
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If that were a scratch on the original negative, it would have shown up white, not black. Who knows where this scratch came from, but I blame Thelma Schoonmaker. :wink: I think Warners just ended up using a scratched copy of the film and never did anything about it since it was first released on home video. And the fact that no one has really raised a big fuss made them do nothing to fix it.
08-29-04, 02:36 PM
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Originally posted by FinkPish
If that were a scratch on the original negative, it would have shown up white, not black. Who knows where this scratch came from, but I blame Thelma Schoonmaker. :wink: I think Warners just ended up using a scratched copy of the film and never did anything about it since it was first released on home video. And the fact that no one has really raised a big fuss made them do nothing to fix it.
If that were a scratch on the original negative, it would have shown up white, not black. Who knows where this scratch came from, but I blame Thelma Schoonmaker. :wink: I think Warners just ended up using a scratched copy of the film and never did anything about it since it was first released on home video. And the fact that no one has really raised a big fuss made them do nothing to fix it.
http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htfo...=&pagenumber=1
John Whittle wrote:
Marks on the cell (support side) of the film block light if they're on the negative and print to white on an intermediate. However a mark on the support of the intermediate would appear black if it was used for a transfer.
The example shown is rather classic thin emulsion scratch thru the overcoat (or top layer before reaching colored layers) of the negative.
Marks on the cell (support side) of the film block light if they're on the negative and print to white on an intermediate. However a mark on the support of the intermediate would appear black if it was used for a transfer.
The example shown is rather classic thin emulsion scratch thru the overcoat (or top layer before reaching colored layers) of the negative.
