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Originally posted by Dazed How much of the original film did they clean up 8 years ago ? As far as the originals not existing anymore, Lucasfilm would have scanned the original negatives into a computer in order to recomposite the special effects and add new digital tweaks. These digital files then would have been printed back to film as new negatives, leaving the original negs unaffected by the changes (an advantage of a film source instead of the digital source in Mike Lowrey's example). Lucas surely would not have destroyed these original negs, because he'll need them again in the future when he decides to tinker with them yet again (let's say to take care of any more continuity "problems" if he decides to film a third trilogy in a few years). |
Originally posted by Mike Lowrey No, look. I don't have a hatred for anybody or their opinions on the matter. Should the originals be released? Sure, for those who want them, [Snippage] Sorry to all for yet another OT post in this thread. (and yes, that's a double meaning) |
Then SHUT UP! Let us talk about what we want and get the hell out of threads about it. Well, the thread won't ever get back on track. Salty, Kal, and I all deleted our non-related posts. But it was for nothing. This thread won't ever get back on track now. |
Let's say that I am a computer graphics artist. I paint a digital picture. I save it to disc and I release it. Then 20 years later, I go back to the same picture, change it, enhance it or do whatever I feel like with it. I then save over the only copy I had. The original no longer exists. Therefore, I can never ever re-release the original version. This is, I believe, what essentially happened during the initial SE restoration 8 years ago. Just the simple restoration forever changed the film. Quite frankly, I don't think you folks who want the originals release don't really understand what the films went through during the '97 SE process. It's as simple as that. I'm pretty sure they used the original film prints. Not some copy of them. |
Originally posted by Terrell Salty, Kal, and I all deleted our non-related posts. But it was for nothing. This thread won't ever get back on track now. Maybe this thread is long enough for a Part 2 anyway. |
Originally posted by chanster Do you really think Lucas is stupid enough to hit the save button and trash the originals completetly? I mean seriously. He has said the originals don't exist anymore in the his narrative sense, not that they don't physically exist somewhere in his computers. |
I guess there's still a market for bootlegs of the OT.
I don't know if Lucas is greedy, if he was, he'd release the OT seperately and make lots of $$$. Oh well, its his story, guess he can do what he wants. I for one am looking forward to the DVD release. |
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Where the fuck did you get that????? Lucky bastard.
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Lucas has to keep it around for any possible future use, or put up with a significant loss in quality by using a second or third generation element |
So are any retailers getting an exclusive disc or anything when this set streets?
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Originally posted by Kal-El Where the fuck did you get that????? Lucky bastard. |
Originally posted by Mike Lowrey Let's say that I am a computer graphics artist. I paint a digital picture. I save it to disc and I release it. Then 20 years later, I go back to the same picture, change it, enhance it or do whatever I feel like with it. I then save over the only copy I had. The original no longer exists. Therefore, I can never ever re-release the original version. This is, I believe, what essentially happened during the initial SE restoration 8 years ago. Just the simple restoration forever changed the film. Quite frankly, I don't think you folks who want the originals release don't really understand what the films went through during the '97 SE process. It's as simple as that. I'm pretty sure they used the original film prints. Not some copy of them. And anyway, your analogy doesn't even hold up. Graphics artists use several layers to composite a single image, not one flat image. It's easier to edit later that way, or create a version of the image without one particular part in a few seconds. |
Any others? I was hoping for something like what they did for Indiana Jones |
Awww man.. I was hoping for a heavy-duty box (more like Indy, less like the Alien Quad) All well...
Atleast it'll be heavily glossed.. |
It's ok...NOT the greatest! I over hyped myself.
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Originally posted by Artman Awww man.. I was hoping for a heavy-duty box (more like Indy, less like the Alien Quad) All well... Atleast it'll be heavily glossed.. |
bestbuy's bonus disc offer sucks this time around. oh well, good for those who never picked it up.
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Originally posted by Mike Lowrey Doesn't really matter to me. I'll be displaying them in their separate amaray cases and storing the over-sleave case. |
Is it 9/21 yet??
From what I've seen of the cleaned up and re-done scenes, I cannot wait to hear and see this. Thank God for me my wife is out of town that night. I'll be watching all 3 back-to-back. And then maybe back-to-back again just because I can....;) |
The first thing I do with the set is watch all the documentary. That's going to be awesome!
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Yeah I cant wait for this documentary. :up:
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Originally posted by Mike Lowrey No, look. I don't have a hatred for anybody or their opinions on the matter. Should the originals be released? Sure, for those who want them, but what if, just what if, that what Lucas has been saying for the past, oh what is it now, 8 years, that the originals don't exist anymore from the raw film source. And if so, then continual petitions or arguments, for them are pointless. It's like getting blood out of a turnip. In other words, have you ever considered that why the originals aren't being released is because for the exact reason Lucas has stated? The fact that you and your "originals" friends continue to think that I have some irrational intolerance or hatred towards your opinions is saying more about you than I. I am mearly trying to use logic and what we actually know to debate why they haven't been released, instead of your position where you say, "I think they should be released, simply because they should." Well, that's fine. But if they don't exist, then no amount of complaining, petitioning, etc. will ever get them released. Let's say that I am a computer graphics artist. I paint a digital picture. I save it to disc and I release it. Then 20 years later, I go back to the same picture, change it, enhance it or do whatever I feel like with it. I then save over the only copy I had. The original no longer exists. Therefore, I can never ever re-release the original version. This is, I believe, what essentially happened during the initial SE restoration 8 years ago. Just the simple restoration forever changed the film. Quite frankly, I don't think you folks who want the originals release don't really understand what the films went through during the '97 SE process. It's as simple as that. I'm pretty sure they used the original film prints. Not some copy of them. In order for the originals to be released today with an acceptable transfer, Lowry Digital would have to go back to the original film (if it still exists) and restore it. But if the films were in as bad of shape as they claimed in '96, then how much worse would they be today 8 years later? I'm not using conspiracy theories here. I'm using logic and known facts. You can choose to accept that, or you can go on thinking that Lucas is lying to you that he has the originals locked away somewhere. Trust me, the originals are safe and sound. |
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