No, not at all. Why should it?

Isn't art supposed to reach for a higher purpose, something that all people can relate to?

Not necessarily. People use art for a variety of reasons. Propoganda is just one of many.

Wasn't the reason why people hated John Wayne's "The Green Berets" because it's propaganda? Perhaps I'm off here, but I suspect a double standard that supports liberal propaganda while decrying conservative propaganda. I personally hate propaganda no matter who is putting it out.

Well if there's a double-standard, it goes both ways. Liberals don't like Conservative propoganda, Conservatives don't like Liberal propoganda. This should come as a shock to nobody.

Yeah, propoganda, like art, is subjective. What Eminem does is art, but to some people, it will always be noise. Art isn't suppossed to appeal to everyone, but it should at least provoke a reaction in everyone. Moore's film certainly do that.

Yeah, I read something yesterday from him that said it would be out in 3 weeks

I'm not sure that's true. I'll try and find some quotes I read about the film that lead me to believe it's not as preachy as some might fear.

NO!! ...but it bothers me that we are trying to discuss the DVD release and as always when Moore's name is mentioned we get to talk about "he is such and such" and less about the actuall topic- THE UPCOMING RELEASE!!

Pro-B

That would be a great bonus...I agree 100%.

Pro-B

No kidding. A film will always carry the views of the creator. It's how they want to tell a story and no matter what a documentary will always carry some hints of the creator.

It's a quick turn around for it and I'm a little surprised he's pulling it off. can't wait to see it.

Nope. It's called free speech.

It doesn't bother me any more than Fox masquerading as a news channel.

Whoa whoa whoa they are masquerading?

LOL!

Pretty funny Fox comment..

I think it's a great world we live in when someone can just make a film about anything. Does it bother me that he's using his films as a political campaign and blah blah blah whatever his motives are?

Read what I have wrote above again if it bothers you. And if your thoughts are, HE SHOULD BE SHOT, then I'm glad I don't live in the world you would have me live in.

Looking forward to a great film

I wanna watch Moore in DTS!

Trailer back online

http://www.apple.com/trailers/lions_...ahrenheit_911/

Over in some other very long threads in DVDTalk, people are chatting about the new Disney Treasures DVDs, one of which - On the Front Lines - is a collection of shorts done during WWII as well as a feature length film called Victory Through Air Power. These are propaganda films; Disney even has Leonard Maltin introducing them as such on the discs! Collectors have been waiting decades to see these films again! It's history!

So if you want to make your own mind up, go see Michael Moore's movie (or rent it or get someone to loan it to you) and decide for yourself after you have seen it.

If you don't want to see it, hey, that's cool too, but don't say it shouldn't be made. The principle of free speech is based on the foundation of "more speech, not less."

Great statement!!! Absolutely agree with your conclusion.

I just saw the entire trailer above and...this is a MUST BUY for me!!

Europe had a great vision when they awarded the film. From the footage in the trailer I can not imagine, NO MATTER where you stand on the political spectrum, that you wont be intrigued by what's shown

Hopefully this release will offer lots of extra materials.

Pro-B

You don't need Michael Moore to see "liberal propoganda" films. Just go watch "Runaway Jury" or "The Contender" or "The American President" etc... You'll see that Michael Moore isn't the only one pushing a leftist viewpoint in his art. What is great about a democratic society is that all viewpoints can be heard in this manner. Virtually anything political is going to have a slant one way or the other, since virtually everyone has political ideals. I think that even if you hate Michael Moore's work, it is important to see it just to get the other side of the argument. My main complaint with the man has nothing to do with his political agenda. I just find him so disappointing because he's such a sensationalist who goes with what will get a lot of attention rather than what is the truth. It sucks that he undercuts himself by not sticking to the truth when he really doesn't need to lie to make his point. I was all gung-ho behind "Bowling for Columbine" after seeing it; but then I read this which pointed out all the lies and fabrications in the movie, and it immediately made me lose all respect for him. Anyway, I'm anxiously awaiting "Farenheit 9/11", but unfortunately I have to say I'm also anxiously awaiting the fact checkers pointing out which parts of it are incorrect.

Even if it's propaganda?

I thought propaganda is supposed to be looked down upon on both sides of the political spectrum.

If the man made honest documentaries, with FACTS instead of FABRICATIONS, then yes, maybe the man would have a little more respect, but he makes up 99% of what he films.

What I can't understand is why people let him get away with using the term "documentary" for his films. They are NOT documentaries, they are politically driven propaganda films.

One has to look no further that the people of his home town of Flint, Michigan. They are completely ashamed and embarissed by him.

I live in a world where we shoot traitors. Period.

But anyway with regards to "free speech", "Free speech" does not mean that it is "free from criticism". Which means that the government can't squash your speech, however it doesn't protect you from the general public.

Yes, you can say anything you want under Free Speech laws, but you'd better be damn ready to receive feedback, whether good or bad.

So those who loathe Moore's "speech", we have every right to vocally challenge his point of view. To squash that, would be infringing on our right to exercise our free speech.

And in response to Moore's character, I say that he's a fat, un-American socialist who wants to drastically change America into an image similar to what he sees (and apparently likes) in Europe. It's no wonder why the Europeans like him.

OT but, the problem I see with Europe is that it's too weak to lead and too proud to follow. Hence the growing anti-Americanism sentiment there. Instead of teaming with the US and leading the rest of the world, they feel they have to oppose the US, hence the "too proud" part. Tell ya what, if they had the Red Soviet Army breathing down their necks once again, they'd feel a bit different.

Its Bizarro Rival11!

Repugnant man. Repugnant propaganda.

'nuff said.