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Old 04-30-04 | 02:19 AM
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I would have replied, "You're wrong. Dumb people like widescreen too."
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Old 04-30-04 | 02:26 AM
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that man should be shot. any one who works in a video store and dosnt understand or perfer widescreen(OAR) should not be allowed to live
I bet you loved Schindler's List. In the OAR version, of course. (lol)
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Old 04-30-04 | 02:39 AM
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This must be what it is like if you make a gourmet version of Chicken Cordon Bleu for your child and they tell you that they want Chicken McNuggets instead.
My mother actually did that once when my sister and I were in junior high school, and we reacted pretty much the way you describe it. Now I like cordon bleu. I guess I just wasn't ready for it then. The WS haters aren't ready for it now, and the sad part is that they never may be.
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Old 04-30-04 | 04:06 AM
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I watch only widescreen (or rather OAR) movies. If people buy full screen movies for me, I have to return it.

Widescreen or death!
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Old 04-30-04 | 04:10 AM
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Originally posted by Scott Connors
My mother actually did that once when my sister and I were in junior high school, and we reacted pretty much the way you describe it. Now I like cordon bleu. I guess I just wasn't ready for it then. The WS haters aren't ready for it now, and the sad part is that they never may be.
I guess peer pressure finally caught up to you.
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Old 04-30-04 | 06:16 AM
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Originally posted by phraseturner

if these movie consumers can't pronounce the film's title, should i honestly believe that they're capable of understanding multiple aspect ratios, but consciously choose to do all their viewing in 1.33:1 AR?

no....i think by and large, people are stupid . . .and they're breeding in mass quantities. i suppose i could try handing them a book with every third page torn out to demonstrate how information an artist intended to be seen, but was removed, damages the over-all experience....but i fear these people can't read, either.

i weep for the future.
What about the people who do choose FS? The one's who can read & are smart? Are they just wrong then? Not every person who likes WS is stupid like you say(or maybe you were being sarcastic, it's hard to tell sometimes on these boards). I just don't buy that.

I do know that people have been watching and enjoying movies on TV in FS for 50 + years (I know the TV was invented before that, but I'm talking about when it became widely available). It's what people are used to. It's what they like. Is their preference wrong?

The artist's intention is a valid argument, but we have all seen and enjoyed work that was delivered to us in a form that wasn't intended by the artist. Sadly I've never seen the Sistine Chapel Ceiling in person, only in books and on TV, but I still like to look at it. Should I not be aloud to see it in any way other than being there in person? This argument isn't 1 to 1, but do you at least get what I'm trying to say?

I like and prefer WS movies, but I don't think the choice of having a FS movie should be denied to anyone who wants it. Just like I don't think people who like and prefer FS should be denied it.

oh, and it is illusion, not allusion.
I knew that was coming.

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Old 04-30-04 | 06:47 AM
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Almost all digital cameras have 16x9 modes.
Which brands make digital still cameras with 16x9? I can't find any.

Originally posted by Spiky
Still cameras have not moved from wide to 4:3, what are you talking about? Oh, you must mean shitty digicams that are meant to be all-in-ones that do everything poorly. Can't take pics, can't take video, and J6Ps of the photo world snatch them up like popcorn.

Real still cameras are still 3:2. Actually, now that I think about it, REALLY real cameras are still square or very close to it, but non-pros generally don't use them, even the rich ones.
I was refering to 35mm photos (usually 6:4 although the negative is squarer) and digital cameras (4:3). The clue is in the words 35mm and digital
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Old 04-30-04 | 08:16 AM
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Originally posted by boredsilly
I do know that people have been watching and enjoying movies on TV in FS for 50 + years (I know the TV was invented before that, but I'm talking about when it became widely available). It's what people are used to. It's what they like. Is their preference wrong?
There was a time when fullscreen was best. OTA broadcast signals on an analog TV with snow and ghosting. We were lucky if we could make out what we were seeing on the screen let alone try to figure out what aspect ratio it was supposed to be in!

I remember when I tried to watch a widescreen VHS copy of Jaws on my crappy 19" set. It was so blurry I couldn't see any detail at all in the picture. At least with the fullscreen version I could tell what was going on.
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Old 04-30-04 | 08:33 AM
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Originally posted by boredsilly
Should I not be aloud to see it in any way other than being there in person?
here comes another one, then....

allowed, not aloud.
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Old 04-30-04 | 10:16 AM
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Originally posted by phraseturner
here comes another one, then....

allowed, not aloud.
Thanks for that. The Professor ladies and gentlemen.

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Old 04-30-04 | 10:19 AM
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The spelling and grammar in this thread alone proves the thread title wrong.
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Old 04-30-04 | 11:00 AM
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Dang it . . . I already posted this once . . . where did it go?
Originally posted by boredsilly
The artist's intention is a valid argument, but we have all seen and enjoyed work that was delivered to us in a form that wasn't intended by the artist. Sadly I've never seen the Sistine Chapel Ceiling in person, only in books and on TV, but I still like to look at it. Should I not be aloud to see it in any way other than being there in person? This argument isn't 1 to 1, but do you at least get what I'm trying to say?
I understand what you are trying to say, but I think what is missing is the issue of availibility. Given how far away the real Sistine Chapel is, it only makes sense to make do with pictures in a book. However, if you were in the Sistine Chapel gift shop right outside of the real thing (assuming that there is one . . . I've never been) and said to your friends, "You go on in with out me . . . I'm just going to look at the pictures in the books in here," they (and I ) would think you were nuts.

Another, more realistic, example is movies on TV or HBO (because, you know, "It's not TV . . . it's HBO." ). If I turn on the TV and a movie comes on that I do not own, I will be perfectly content to watch it the way it is there (although I might be annoyed by obvious edits, if I know the movie well enough). However, if one comes on that I do own, there have been many times that I have immediately gotten up and put in my copy instead, so that I can watch it as it was intended to be watched (i.e., without edits, without commecials, without being "fullscreened", etc.). Given that both versions are readily available, why would I watch a version that has been hacked up for TV?
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I knew that was coming.
You should have known, you bad, bad person . . .
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Old 04-30-04 | 11:06 AM
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Originally posted by PixyJunket
The spelling and grammar in this thread alone proves the thread title wrong.

agreed
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Old 04-30-04 | 11:19 AM
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Originally posted by talemyn
Dang it . . . I already posted this once . . . where did it go? I understand what you are trying to say, but I think what is missing is the issue of availibility. Given how far away the real Sistine Chapel is, it only makes sense to make do with pictures in a book. However, if you were in the Sistine Chapel gift shop right outside of the real thing (assuming that there is one . . . I've never been) and said to your friends, "You go on in with out me . . . I'm just going to look at the pictures in the books in here," they (and I ) would think you were nuts.
I knew there was a whole in my argument, but I didn't realize it was the size of Kansas!
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Old 04-30-04 | 11:21 AM
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Originally posted by boredsilly
. . . a whole in my argument . . .
Must . . . not . . . point . . . out . . . another . . . spelling . . . mistake . . . .
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Old 04-30-04 | 11:45 AM
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That's going to be my gimmick from now on. The random misspelled/used word... I mean wurd. Oi, I need a built in spell checker or something.
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Old 04-30-04 | 03:50 PM
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Too many people in this country use that gimmick already. . .
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Old 04-30-04 | 05:25 PM
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Since we're beating this dead horse again I'll throw out an example of an argument that a coworker and I have about WS vs FS. I'm a WS and OAR supporter and own a WS TV. He owns a 4:3 SD analog TV of decent size with the intention of buying a large screen in the future. No matter how hard I try and convince him that when you buy DVDs in MAR you're missing out on the entire image as it was meant to be seen he feels that what he is seeing in FS is perfectly adequate. Even after showing him web sites with screen captures that compare both his reply is always "I don't care if I'm missing some little leaf up in the corner that the director wanted me to see." He feels that if the story is told and he can see the "important parts" that it's good enough.

So when the discussion turns to what will happen when he decides to buy a WS TV and all of his MAR DVDs need to be stretched, zoomed or watched with bars on the sides he says he'll decide that when the time comes. He has no problem buying OAR DVDs if that's all that's available but if there's a choice he want's his whole screen filled. The bars don't bother him as much as he feels that he paid for a certain amount of screen real estate that it's a waste not to use it. So for him artistic intent or missing image means nothing. He understands the difference but chooses to ignore it so his screen can be filled because dammit he paid for that screen.
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Old 04-30-04 | 05:50 PM
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Originally posted by chipmac
Since we're beating this dead horse again I'll throw out an example of an argument that a coworker and I have about WS vs FS. I'm a WS and OAR supporter and own a WS TV. He owns a 4:3 SD analog TV of decent size with the intention of buying a large screen in the future. No matter how hard I try and convince him that when you buy DVDs in MAR you're missing out on the entire image as it was meant to be seen he feels that what he is seeing in FS is perfectly adequate. Even after showing him web sites with screen captures that compare both his reply is always "I don't care if I'm missing some little leaf up in the corner that the director wanted me to see." He feels that if the story is told and he can see the "important parts" that it's good enough.

So when the discussion turns to what will happen when he decides to buy a WS TV and all of his MAR DVDs need to be stretched, zoomed or watched with bars on the sides he says he'll decide that when the time comes. He has no problem buying OAR DVDs if that's all that's available but if there's a choice he want's his whole screen filled. The bars don't bother him as much as he feels that he paid for a certain amount of screen real estate that it's a waste not to use it. So for him artistic intent or missing image means nothing. He understands the difference but chooses to ignore it so his screen can be filled because dammit he paid for that screen.
One piece of advice...punctuation is your friend.

Also, with regards to your point, yeah, some people are just dense. And that's sadly a great deal of the majority. When there's a new release and Wal-Mart has one of those big cardboard displays full of DVDs, I'd say 80% of them are Full Screen. But of course, the majority of the films they do this for are those family type flicks that J6P used to buy on VHS all the time.
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Old 04-30-04 | 05:56 PM
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"I hate sitting on a toilet seat, thats for intellectuals, i just hover above and let it drop"
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Old 04-30-04 | 06:09 PM
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One piece of advice...punctuation is your friend.
Sorry, Did I miss comma or a period?
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Old 04-30-04 | 09:09 PM
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Re: "Widescreen is for intellectuals"

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What can you do?
You should have asked him if he was interested in a threeway with you for him and his wife.
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Old 04-30-04 | 09:40 PM
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I thought about trying to explain further, but it was clear he just wasn't interested. Oh, well. What can you do?
Just ram it down his throat!
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Old 05-01-04 | 03:41 AM
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I was refering to 35mm photos (usually 6:4 although the negative is squarer) and digital cameras (4:3). The clue is in the words 35mm and digital
Not to get too far off-topic, but many digital cameras are 3:2. My old relatively low-end Kodak was 3:2, and all the digital SLRs that I know of are 3:2. True, the vast majority of the under-$1000 market is 4:3, but not all.
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Old 05-01-04 | 10:29 AM
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what are they gonna say when in a few years their full screen dvds have black bars down the sides on their widescreen tv?
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