"Widescreen is for intellectuals"
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Originally posted by Me007gold
that man should be shot. any one who works in a video store and dosnt understand or perfer widescreen(OAR) should not be allowed to live
that man should be shot. any one who works in a video store and dosnt understand or perfer widescreen(OAR) should not be allowed to live
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Originally posted by talemyn
This must be what it is like if you make a gourmet version of Chicken Cordon Bleu for your child and they tell you that they want Chicken McNuggets instead.
This must be what it is like if you make a gourmet version of Chicken Cordon Bleu for your child and they tell you that they want Chicken McNuggets instead.
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From: I left my heart in.....South Plainfield, NJ
I watch only widescreen (or rather OAR) movies. If people buy full screen movies for me, I have to return it.
Widescreen or death!
Widescreen or death!
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Originally posted by Scott Connors
My mother actually did that once when my sister and I were in junior high school, and we reacted pretty much the way you describe it. Now I like cordon bleu. I guess I just wasn't ready for it then. The WS haters aren't ready for it now, and the sad part is that they never may be.
My mother actually did that once when my sister and I were in junior high school, and we reacted pretty much the way you describe it. Now I like cordon bleu. I guess I just wasn't ready for it then. The WS haters aren't ready for it now, and the sad part is that they never may be.
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Originally posted by phraseturner
if these movie consumers can't pronounce the film's title, should i honestly believe that they're capable of understanding multiple aspect ratios, but consciously choose to do all their viewing in 1.33:1 AR?
no....i think by and large, people are stupid . . .and they're breeding in mass quantities. i suppose i could try handing them a book with every third page torn out to demonstrate how information an artist intended to be seen, but was removed, damages the over-all experience....but i fear these people can't read, either.
i weep for the future.
if these movie consumers can't pronounce the film's title, should i honestly believe that they're capable of understanding multiple aspect ratios, but consciously choose to do all their viewing in 1.33:1 AR?
no....i think by and large, people are stupid . . .and they're breeding in mass quantities. i suppose i could try handing them a book with every third page torn out to demonstrate how information an artist intended to be seen, but was removed, damages the over-all experience....but i fear these people can't read, either.
i weep for the future.
I do know that people have been watching and enjoying movies on TV in FS for 50 + years (I know the TV was invented before that, but I'm talking about when it became widely available). It's what people are used to. It's what they like. Is their preference wrong?
The artist's intention is a valid argument, but we have all seen and enjoyed work that was delivered to us in a form that wasn't intended by the artist. Sadly I've never seen the Sistine Chapel Ceiling in person, only in books and on TV, but I still like to look at it. Should I not be aloud to see it in any way other than being there in person? This argument isn't 1 to 1, but do you at least get what I'm trying to say?
I like and prefer WS movies, but I don't think the choice of having a FS movie should be denied to anyone who wants it. Just like I don't think people who like and prefer FS should be denied it.
oh, and it is illusion, not allusion.
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Originally posted by Joshua Clinard
Almost all digital cameras have 16x9 modes.
Almost all digital cameras have 16x9 modes.
Originally posted by Spiky
Still cameras have not moved from wide to 4:3, what are you talking about? Oh, you must mean shitty digicams that are meant to be all-in-ones that do everything poorly. Can't take pics, can't take video, and J6Ps of the photo world snatch them up like popcorn.
Real still cameras are still 3:2. Actually, now that I think about it, REALLY real cameras are still square or very close to it, but non-pros generally don't use them, even the rich ones.
Still cameras have not moved from wide to 4:3, what are you talking about? Oh, you must mean shitty digicams that are meant to be all-in-ones that do everything poorly. Can't take pics, can't take video, and J6Ps of the photo world snatch them up like popcorn.
Real still cameras are still 3:2. Actually, now that I think about it, REALLY real cameras are still square or very close to it, but non-pros generally don't use them, even the rich ones.
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Originally posted by boredsilly
I do know that people have been watching and enjoying movies on TV in FS for 50 + years (I know the TV was invented before that, but I'm talking about when it became widely available). It's what people are used to. It's what they like. Is their preference wrong?
I do know that people have been watching and enjoying movies on TV in FS for 50 + years (I know the TV was invented before that, but I'm talking about when it became widely available). It's what people are used to. It's what they like. Is their preference wrong?
I remember when I tried to watch a widescreen VHS copy of Jaws on my crappy 19" set. It was so blurry I couldn't see any detail at all in the picture. At least with the fullscreen version I could tell what was going on.
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Originally posted by phraseturner
here comes another one, then....
allowed, not aloud.
here comes another one, then....
allowed, not aloud.
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Dang it . . . I already posted this once . . . where did it go?
I understand what you are trying to say, but I think what is missing is the issue of availibility. Given how far away the real Sistine Chapel is, it only makes sense to make do with pictures in a book. However, if you were in the Sistine Chapel gift shop right outside of the real thing (assuming that there is one . . . I've never been) and said to your friends, "You go on in with out me . . . I'm just going to look at the pictures in the books in here," they (and I
) would think you were nuts.
Another, more realistic, example is movies on TV or HBO (because, you know, "It's not TV . . . it's HBO."
). If I turn on the TV and a movie comes on that I do not own, I will be perfectly content to watch it the way it is there (although I might be annoyed by obvious edits, if I know the movie well enough). However, if one comes on that I do own, there have been many times that I have immediately gotten up and put in my copy instead, so that I can watch it as it was intended to be watched (i.e., without edits, without commecials, without being "fullscreened", etc.). Given that both versions are readily available, why would I watch a version that has been hacked up for TV?
You should have known, you bad, bad person . . .

Originally posted by boredsilly
The artist's intention is a valid argument, but we have all seen and enjoyed work that was delivered to us in a form that wasn't intended by the artist. Sadly I've never seen the Sistine Chapel Ceiling in person, only in books and on TV, but I still like to look at it. Should I not be aloud to see it in any way other than being there in person? This argument isn't 1 to 1, but do you at least get what I'm trying to say?
The artist's intention is a valid argument, but we have all seen and enjoyed work that was delivered to us in a form that wasn't intended by the artist. Sadly I've never seen the Sistine Chapel Ceiling in person, only in books and on TV, but I still like to look at it. Should I not be aloud to see it in any way other than being there in person? This argument isn't 1 to 1, but do you at least get what I'm trying to say?
) would think you were nuts.Another, more realistic, example is movies on TV or HBO (because, you know, "It's not TV . . . it's HBO."
). If I turn on the TV and a movie comes on that I do not own, I will be perfectly content to watch it the way it is there (although I might be annoyed by obvious edits, if I know the movie well enough). However, if one comes on that I do own, there have been many times that I have immediately gotten up and put in my copy instead, so that I can watch it as it was intended to be watched (i.e., without edits, without commecials, without being "fullscreened", etc.). Given that both versions are readily available, why would I watch a version that has been hacked up for TV?
Originally posted by boredsilly
I knew that was coming.
I knew that was coming.
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Originally posted by talemyn
Dang it . . . I already posted this once . . . where did it go?
I understand what you are trying to say, but I think what is missing is the issue of availibility. Given how far away the real Sistine Chapel is, it only makes sense to make do with pictures in a book. However, if you were in the Sistine Chapel gift shop right outside of the real thing (assuming that there is one . . . I've never been) and said to your friends, "You go on in with out me . . . I'm just going to look at the pictures in the books in here," they (and I
) would think you were nuts.
Dang it . . . I already posted this once . . . where did it go?
I understand what you are trying to say, but I think what is missing is the issue of availibility. Given how far away the real Sistine Chapel is, it only makes sense to make do with pictures in a book. However, if you were in the Sistine Chapel gift shop right outside of the real thing (assuming that there is one . . . I've never been) and said to your friends, "You go on in with out me . . . I'm just going to look at the pictures in the books in here," they (and I
) would think you were nuts.
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Since we're beating this dead horse again I'll throw out an example of an argument that a coworker and I have about WS vs FS. I'm a WS and OAR supporter and own a WS TV. He owns a 4:3 SD analog TV of decent size with the intention of buying a large screen in the future. No matter how hard I try and convince him that when you buy DVDs in MAR you're missing out on the entire image as it was meant to be seen he feels that what he is seeing in FS is perfectly adequate. Even after showing him web sites with screen captures that compare both his reply is always "I don't care if I'm missing some little leaf up in the corner that the director wanted me to see." He feels that if the story is told and he can see the "important parts" that it's good enough.
So when the discussion turns to what will happen when he decides to buy a WS TV and all of his MAR DVDs need to be stretched, zoomed or watched with bars on the sides he says he'll decide that when the time comes. He has no problem buying OAR DVDs if that's all that's available but if there's a choice he want's his whole screen filled. The bars don't bother him as much as he feels that he paid for a certain amount of screen real estate that it's a waste not to use it. So for him artistic intent or missing image means nothing. He understands the difference but chooses to ignore it so his screen can be filled because dammit he paid for that screen.
So when the discussion turns to what will happen when he decides to buy a WS TV and all of his MAR DVDs need to be stretched, zoomed or watched with bars on the sides he says he'll decide that when the time comes. He has no problem buying OAR DVDs if that's all that's available but if there's a choice he want's his whole screen filled. The bars don't bother him as much as he feels that he paid for a certain amount of screen real estate that it's a waste not to use it. So for him artistic intent or missing image means nothing. He understands the difference but chooses to ignore it so his screen can be filled because dammit he paid for that screen.
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Originally posted by chipmac
Since we're beating this dead horse again I'll throw out an example of an argument that a coworker and I have about WS vs FS. I'm a WS and OAR supporter and own a WS TV. He owns a 4:3 SD analog TV of decent size with the intention of buying a large screen in the future. No matter how hard I try and convince him that when you buy DVDs in MAR you're missing out on the entire image as it was meant to be seen he feels that what he is seeing in FS is perfectly adequate. Even after showing him web sites with screen captures that compare both his reply is always "I don't care if I'm missing some little leaf up in the corner that the director wanted me to see." He feels that if the story is told and he can see the "important parts" that it's good enough.
So when the discussion turns to what will happen when he decides to buy a WS TV and all of his MAR DVDs need to be stretched, zoomed or watched with bars on the sides he says he'll decide that when the time comes. He has no problem buying OAR DVDs if that's all that's available but if there's a choice he want's his whole screen filled. The bars don't bother him as much as he feels that he paid for a certain amount of screen real estate that it's a waste not to use it. So for him artistic intent or missing image means nothing. He understands the difference but chooses to ignore it so his screen can be filled because dammit he paid for that screen.
Since we're beating this dead horse again I'll throw out an example of an argument that a coworker and I have about WS vs FS. I'm a WS and OAR supporter and own a WS TV. He owns a 4:3 SD analog TV of decent size with the intention of buying a large screen in the future. No matter how hard I try and convince him that when you buy DVDs in MAR you're missing out on the entire image as it was meant to be seen he feels that what he is seeing in FS is perfectly adequate. Even after showing him web sites with screen captures that compare both his reply is always "I don't care if I'm missing some little leaf up in the corner that the director wanted me to see." He feels that if the story is told and he can see the "important parts" that it's good enough.
So when the discussion turns to what will happen when he decides to buy a WS TV and all of his MAR DVDs need to be stretched, zoomed or watched with bars on the sides he says he'll decide that when the time comes. He has no problem buying OAR DVDs if that's all that's available but if there's a choice he want's his whole screen filled. The bars don't bother him as much as he feels that he paid for a certain amount of screen real estate that it's a waste not to use it. So for him artistic intent or missing image means nothing. He understands the difference but chooses to ignore it so his screen can be filled because dammit he paid for that screen.
Also, with regards to your point, yeah, some people are just dense. And that's sadly a great deal of the majority. When there's a new release and Wal-Mart has one of those big cardboard displays full of DVDs, I'd say 80% of them are Full Screen. But of course, the majority of the films they do this for are those family type flicks that J6P used to buy on VHS all the time.
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Re: "Widescreen is for intellectuals"
Originally posted by anglagard
What can you do?
What can you do?
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Originally posted by aam1
I was refering to 35mm photos (usually 6:4 although the negative is squarer) and digital cameras (4:3). The clue is in the words 35mm and digital
I was refering to 35mm photos (usually 6:4 although the negative is squarer) and digital cameras (4:3). The clue is in the words 35mm and digital




agreed 