Is the phrase "special edition" now meaningless?
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Is the phrase "special edition" now meaningless?
So after years of "Special Edition" and other such labels being slapped on seemingly every new and catalog release (not to mention being used on CDs and other non-DVD items), has the phrase lost its meaning?
I believe it's exclusively a meaningless marketing term at this point, and that it's only a matter of time until people stop buying it (in both senses of the word).
I believe it's exclusively a meaningless marketing term at this point, and that it's only a matter of time until people stop buying it (in both senses of the word).
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From: City of the lakers.. riots.. and drug dealing cops.. los(t) Angel(e)s. ca.
Collectors Edition, Limited Edition, Special Edition..
All of them are marketing gimmicks and have always been. If you ever bought something with "Collectors Edition" printed on it, there is a 90% chance that it wont be worth much of anything above what you paid for it. The real "Rare" items are those that no one buys or that have a limited # run and is popular enough that it sales out. Other then that, all those names are just marketing gimmicks and always have.
Will that mean people will stop buy it? well yeah, that's why the different names are used. people catch on to one, they just move on to another that will fool the folks for a while.
All of them are marketing gimmicks and have always been. If you ever bought something with "Collectors Edition" printed on it, there is a 90% chance that it wont be worth much of anything above what you paid for it. The real "Rare" items are those that no one buys or that have a limited # run and is popular enough that it sales out. Other then that, all those names are just marketing gimmicks and always have.
Will that mean people will stop buy it? well yeah, that's why the different names are used. people catch on to one, they just move on to another that will fool the folks for a while.
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Originally posted by Jackskeleton
[B]The real "Rare" items are those that no one buys or that have a limited # run and is popular enough that it sales out. B]
[B]The real "Rare" items are those that no one buys or that have a limited # run and is popular enough that it sales out. B]
Shit even the term UNRATED has become a gimmick... What isn't a gimmick these days...
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I agree the term is now meaningless, I think certain studios are thinking about this a bit more though now.
The term "collectors edition" is the one I hate. There are certain releases that the only version out is the "Collectors edition", is this to mean the casual buyer is a "collector", I'm not trying to be snobbish but I hope you can understand what I mean.
I believe Fox are one of the companies trying to deal with this properly, with Master and Commander. I bought the deluxe collecters and felt it is a very nice release, the way that was handed was very well done in my opinion. I would class myself as a collector and I do welcome the extra effort.
The term "collectors edition" is the one I hate. There are certain releases that the only version out is the "Collectors edition", is this to mean the casual buyer is a "collector", I'm not trying to be snobbish but I hope you can understand what I mean.
I believe Fox are one of the companies trying to deal with this properly, with Master and Commander. I bought the deluxe collecters and felt it is a very nice release, the way that was handed was very well done in my opinion. I would class myself as a collector and I do welcome the extra effort.
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It was actually pretty meaningliess when they started using it on some early DVD's. On some, special features were listed as "trailer(s)", filmography, or on a rare occasion "animated menu" --- nothing else was added, but it was still billed as "Special Edition"...
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UNRATED really became a marketing gimmick. Sure you get those titles that have it really contain items that would make it unrated, but a lot of the times the film would have still pulled in a R rating if it was actually resubmitted.
Yeah mike, A lot of the limited # is still very common. I mean half the titles that get a limited run to 15,000 would have normally gotten that much of a run anyways.
Yeah mike, A lot of the limited # is still very common. I mean half the titles that get a limited run to 15,000 would have normally gotten that much of a run anyways.
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Originally posted by mcarver
It was actually pretty meaningliess when they started using it on some early DVD's. On some, special features were listed as "trailer(s)", filmography, or on a rare occasion "animated menu" --- nothing else was added, but it was still billed as "Special Edition"...
It was actually pretty meaningliess when they started using it on some early DVD's. On some, special features were listed as "trailer(s)", filmography, or on a rare occasion "animated menu" --- nothing else was added, but it was still billed as "Special Edition"...
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I wouldn't be so opposed to "Special Edition" if every dvd didn't have that slabbed across the top. But as it stands I really wish all the "special collectors limited" edition shizzle would go away. Those words have never and will never make me buy a dvd.
The only title that means anything now is "Extended Edition".
The only title that means anything now is "Extended Edition".
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I think the term "UNRATED" is also being a bit overused now. Almost every movie geared towards 12-25 year old men is coming to DVD unrated, which usually adds nothing good to the film.
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Originally posted by Jackskeleton
UNRATED really became a marketing gimmick. Sure you get those titles that have it really contain items that would make it unrated, but a lot of the times the film would have still pulled in a R rating if it was actually resubmitted."
UNRATED really became a marketing gimmick. Sure you get those titles that have it really contain items that would make it unrated, but a lot of the times the film would have still pulled in a R rating if it was actually resubmitted."
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Originally posted by Kevin M. Dean
Well the thing about UNRATED is people think it means more nudity and violence when all it really means is when you add footage to a movie that was not in the released version it will be referred to as unrated unless it's resubmitted to the MPAA. So you can add a guy reading a newspaper and call it the unrated cut. Of course the marketing department is banking on the nudity/violence connotation regardless.
Well the thing about UNRATED is people think it means more nudity and violence when all it really means is when you add footage to a movie that was not in the released version it will be referred to as unrated unless it's resubmitted to the MPAA. So you can add a guy reading a newspaper and call it the unrated cut. Of course the marketing department is banking on the nudity/violence connotation regardless.
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Originally posted by Jackskeleton
Exactly. A perfect example is Charlies Angels Unrated where they just added a slightly more piece of violence that would have still made it with the same rating. Folks do connect unrated with nudity and that is what the studios are abusing.
Exactly. A perfect example is Charlies Angels Unrated where they just added a slightly more piece of violence that would have still made it with the same rating. Folks do connect unrated with nudity and that is what the studios are abusing.
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Special edition means nothin' more than a marketing gimmick tagged to a particular DVD. Just like Microsoft, they will still screw you by releasing another edition in the future, and you will wanna upgrade.
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Fok,
It could be worse... It could be the LD of Terminator 2...
Original Releases:
WS Dolby Surround
PS Dolby Surround
WS Silver Collecter's Box (Aka, "the screw job")
Subsequent re-releases:
Extended Cut, Special Edition Box (Issued three times, different Silver, Gold & Bronze boxes, each representing the subsequnent re-pressings.) - When special edition meant something.
Extended Cut, WS Movie Only
Extended Cut, P&S Movie Only
Theatrical Cut, WS Dolby Digital
Theatrical Cut, WS DTS (I think... Maybe this never happened, it was over five years ago.)
Three versions of a film on DVD is nothing.
Fitprod
It could be worse... It could be the LD of Terminator 2...
Original Releases:
WS Dolby Surround
PS Dolby Surround
WS Silver Collecter's Box (Aka, "the screw job")
Subsequent re-releases:
Extended Cut, Special Edition Box (Issued three times, different Silver, Gold & Bronze boxes, each representing the subsequnent re-pressings.) - When special edition meant something.
Extended Cut, WS Movie Only
Extended Cut, P&S Movie Only
Theatrical Cut, WS Dolby Digital
Theatrical Cut, WS DTS (I think... Maybe this never happened, it was over five years ago.)
Three versions of a film on DVD is nothing.
Fitprod
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Originally posted by Jackskeleton
UNRATED really became a marketing gimmick. Sure you get those titles that have it really contain items that would make it unrated, but a lot of the times the film would have still pulled in a R rating if it was actually resubmitted.
UNRATED really became a marketing gimmick. Sure you get those titles that have it really contain items that would make it unrated, but a lot of the times the film would have still pulled in a R rating if it was actually resubmitted.
If you go to the MPAA's site, you'll see that the new edition of Bad Santa was submitted and received an R rating. Yet it's being released as the 'unrated edition'.
Marketing gimmick all the way...
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Yeah, but you're counting aspect ratio versions, and real collectors want nothing to do with P&S. So technically, it was really 5 versions.
A true super-dip would be Army of Darkness, which came to us in 1998 as a standard WS, 1999 as a special edition and a two-disc edition, in 2000 as a special edition, numbered director's cut, once again in 2001 as a Bootleg Director's Cut, and then again in 2003 as a two-disc Boomstick Edition. That's six distinct releases of the same movie in a span of five years. Ri-God-Damn-diculous.
A true super-dip would be Army of Darkness, which came to us in 1998 as a standard WS, 1999 as a special edition and a two-disc edition, in 2000 as a special edition, numbered director's cut, once again in 2001 as a Bootleg Director's Cut, and then again in 2003 as a two-disc Boomstick Edition. That's six distinct releases of the same movie in a span of five years. Ri-God-Damn-diculous.
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Fok,
It could be worse... It could be the LD of Terminator 2...
Original Releases:
WS Dolby Surround
PS Dolby Surround
WS Silver Collecter's Box (Aka, "the screw job")
Subsequent re-releases:
Extended Cut, Special Edition Box (Issued three times, different Silver, Gold & Bronze boxes, each representing the subsequnent re-pressings.) - When special edition meant something.
Extended Cut, WS Movie Only
Extended Cut, P&S Movie Only
Theatrical Cut, WS Dolby Digital
Theatrical Cut, WS DTS (I think... Maybe this never happened, it was over five years ago.)
Three versions of a film on DVD is nothing.
Fitprod
Fok,
It could be worse... It could be the LD of Terminator 2...
Original Releases:
WS Dolby Surround
PS Dolby Surround
WS Silver Collecter's Box (Aka, "the screw job")
Subsequent re-releases:
Extended Cut, Special Edition Box (Issued three times, different Silver, Gold & Bronze boxes, each representing the subsequnent re-pressings.) - When special edition meant something.
Extended Cut, WS Movie Only
Extended Cut, P&S Movie Only
Theatrical Cut, WS Dolby Digital
Theatrical Cut, WS DTS (I think... Maybe this never happened, it was over five years ago.)
Three versions of a film on DVD is nothing.
Fitprod
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As it pertains to DVD's, "Special Edition" was pretty much meaningless from the start wasn't it?
Certainly the same goes for the tag, "Limited Edition", although that moniker has to be examined on a case by case basis.
I recently ordered a DVD gift set that was not only actually limited, but limited to a shockingly low number of 100:
The Devil's Backbone
Certainly the same goes for the tag, "Limited Edition", although that moniker has to be examined on a case by case basis.
I recently ordered a DVD gift set that was not only actually limited, but limited to a shockingly low number of 100:
The Devil's Backbone
Last edited by chucks888; 04-26-04 at 04:28 PM.
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To take it even a step further, THX and Superbit have become meaningless, as well.
(I still buy Superbits because there is a slight, but noticable improvement over the regular release -- but some of their titles still don't look reference quality.)
Yes, ANY type of such labeling means nothing.
(I still buy Superbits because there is a slight, but noticable improvement over the regular release -- but some of their titles still don't look reference quality.)
Yes, ANY type of such labeling means nothing.



