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Mr. Salty 01-22-04 07:41 PM


Originally posted by chanster
Well in this case it is more than the insert. The box is messed up as well.
Well, questions about the insert and the box, which we sometimes refer to as a case, would still be discussed in the DVD Talk Covers, Cases & Inserts Area, wouldn't they? It looks like this:

http://www.theforumisdown.com/upload...insertarea.jpg

bboisvert 01-22-04 07:46 PM

Look... some people care about inserts. Some don't. But when EVERY PREVIOUS star trek DVD has come with one... and you get one without an insert. It's a valid question to ask.

chanster 01-22-04 08:01 PM


Well, questions about the insert and the box, which we sometimes refer to as a case, would still be discussed in the DVD Talk Covers, Cases & Inserts Area, wouldn't they? It looks like this
Why don't you do this for every DVD Cover Art question..how about the Running Man: SE artwork thread that has been on the forum? Or the multitutde of "Advance Cover Art" threads that pop up? Hell, that poster even said "Cover Art" in the thread title, but I don't see the forum mods moving those.

http://www.dvdtalk.com/forum/showthr...hreadid=342335

http://www.dvdtalk.com/forum/showthr...hreadid=342306

EDIT: Removed an unitentionally harsh comment..

Dilligas 01-22-04 08:03 PM

At least that is one good thing to say about snappers...every one of them that I've seen has something printed on the inside cover (a la insert in a WB twisted sorta way).

Shannon Nutt 01-23-04 04:48 AM


Originally posted by chanster
Are you sure?
I misunderstood the original poster's comments...the SLICK that goes over the box is apparantly still silver-colored...the complaint seems to be that the actual box is white instead of black.

Adrenaline 01-23-04 05:22 AM


Originally posted by Shannon Nutt
I misunderstood the original poster's comments...the SLICK that goes over the box is apparantly still silver-colored...the complaint seems to be that the actual box is white instead of black.
Exactly, making ST VI really stick out if you have ST 1-10 all in a row on your shelf :(

JM1 01-23-04 07:39 AM

Let's just clarify something here...

ST6 is not missing an insert.

For whatever reason, Paramount have decided not to produce one.

If it was supposed to have one and it is missing from your copy, that's different.

So can we please drop this "missing insert" argument?

As others have rightly pointed out, this has been argued many times, and we will never agree. Those who want inserts want them, those who don't - dont.

As for the white case - so what?

You have a beautiful home, tastefully decorated, clean, spotless, well furnished, a DVD collection etc. But...all of this is totally ruined by the fact you have a white DVD case poking out amongst all of your other cases.

If it bothers you that much, replace it.

Personally, I 'm not into the packaging. I am just grateful we are finally getting the SE's, with decent extra's and a good copy of the movie.

Shannon Nutt 01-23-04 11:28 AM

Even more news about his edition, posted on DVD REVIEW:


Although the Star Trek releases have been generally praised, a standout complaint has been the lack of theatrical versions on the sets, either via seamless branching or a separate transfer. The upcoming Star Trek VI release will be neither the original theatrical cut, which has yet to make its way to home video, or the slightly longer cut available for years, but a new slightly altered cut. No extra scenes will be added, but several minor camera edits have been tweaked along with a visual montage inserted into the Valeris interrogation scene.

Adrenaline 01-23-04 11:37 AM

I guess I'm keeping my VHS copy. Is there any word on whether or not it actually does come with an insert and whether or not the White case is the actual case?

Apathy 01-23-04 11:53 AM

This insert issue is annoying.

Look, just because something does not matter to YOU, does not mean that it doesn't matter to someone else. And just because the way you do things does not lend itself how other people do things, that doesn't make other people's methods or desires less valid.

Here's the reason I want inserts:
I store my DVDs in leather binders, not amrays. My binder inserts have room for two discs and AN INSERT. No insert, no artwork for the page. If the disc has no artwork (flipper), and there's no insert, there's no resresentation of the movie. DVD coverart is a nice solution, but not as nice as an insert.

So. If you store/display your DVDs in amrays, ask yourself this: would you want to buy a DVD that had no amray cover art or the name of the film on the spine?

EPKJ 01-23-04 12:37 PM


Originally posted by Apathy
This insert issue is annoying.

Look, just because something does not matter to YOU, does not mean that it doesn't matter to someone else. And just because the way you do things does not lend itself how other people do things, that doesn't make other people's methods or desires less valid.

Here's the reason I want inserts:
I store my DVDs in leather binders, not amrays. My binder inserts have room for two discs and AN INSERT. No insert, no artwork for the page. If the disc has no artwork (flipper), and there's no insert, there's no resresentation of the movie. DVD coverart is a nice solution, but not as nice as an insert.

So. If you store/display your DVDs in amrays, ask yourself this: would you want to buy a DVD that had no amray cover art or the name of the film on the spine?

This is a ridiculous argument. You choose to store your DVD's in a manner not intended by the manufacturer. You have no right to complain about lack of art. If you stored them as intended, your case would have cover art. you have freedom of choice, but don't complain when your choices have consequences you don't like.

stinkeye 01-23-04 01:08 PM

For what it's worth, The Motion Picture DC case is gold, so Paramount isn't exactly consistent in the packaging on these anyway...

theDVDfreak 01-23-04 03:49 PM

I just got my Star Trek 6 SE from DDD today (early for them). Anyway, the actual case that holds the DVD's is white and the outer insert matches 2-5 in the series. There was no inner insert what so ever.

All I got to say is, I hope that Paramount now releases the next 4 SE dvd's in white cases also. That would make five each that are in either black or white cases. Given the first film has a gold outer insert, it wouldnt bother me just as long as they stick with some kind of trend and not go back and forth.

Adrenaline 01-23-04 04:14 PM


Originally posted by theDVDfreak
I just got my Star Trek 6 SE from DDD today (early for them). Anyway, the actual case that holds the DVD's is white and the outer insert matches 2-5 in the series. There was no inner insert what so ever.

All I got to say is, I hope that Paramount now releases the next 4 SE dvd's in white cases also. That would make five each that are in either black or white cases. Given the first film has a gold outer insert, it wouldnt bother me just as long as they stick with some kind of trend and not go back and forth.

Sounds like there was no insert and the copy I got from DVDSoon wasn't a fluke with the white case.

Adrenaline 01-23-04 05:16 PM

I just watched it the only scene changed was during the Mind-Meld scene with Lt. Valeris it flashed back to the conspirators.

DrOBoogie1 01-23-04 05:37 PM

Did Nick Meyer have a hand in the changed scene (however brief it was)? If not, that's just wrong.

Shame on Paramount for not making the series DVD cases uniform and for not including an insert.

Adrenaline 01-23-04 06:07 PM


Originally posted by DrOBoogie1
Did Nick Meyer have a hand in the changed scene (however brief it was)? If not, that's just wrong.

Shame on Paramount for not making the series DVD cases uniform and for not including an insert.

I haven't heard the commentary yet, I will tonight. It seems like sort of un-necessary change to me since by then you knew who the conspirators were.

bboisvert 01-23-04 06:12 PM


Originally posted by DrOBoogie1
Shame on Paramount for not making the series DVD cases uniform and for not including an insert.
I don't know if they deserve 'shame', but it's definitely a headscratcher. I mean, they damn well know that people are buying these as a series. Why the inconsistency?

The case is not a huge deal (I'm just going to change it out to make them uniform). But the lack of an insert is weird. All of the others have 'em.

Mr. Cinema 01-23-04 10:41 PM

I can't believe this thread has gone to 2 pages.

Shannon Nutt 01-23-04 10:54 PM

Looked at a copy tonight...here's a checklist of things of interest:

- White box

- No insert

- Back of box claims that two scenes were changed (both by Nick Meyer's supervision)...but I only noticed the Valeris scene being different. Now during the mind meld, images of the people she mentions pop up on screen for a few seconds. Doesn't add much to the movie, IMHO.

- Synopsis on back of box refers to Kirk as "Admiral Kirk"...of course, every Trekkie knows he was a Captain in this film.

- Disc two has a picture of the Enterprise-B in spacedock from the opening of Generations! And on top of that, the picture is UPSIDE DOWN!

- Searched, but could find no Easter Eggs on the DVD.

- All the bonus features are non-anamorphic.

- Disagree that the movie looks "better" in 1.85:1 than it did in 2.35:1...seems to loose some if its scope. Also, because of the new aspect ratio, the subtitles of various Klingon scenes are much higher up than you would expect them to be...they are about as close to the MIDDLE of the screen as they are the bottom of it!

- Still, the features on Disc 2, the commentary track and the price make this one worth getting.

Space_Monkey 01-24-04 07:45 AM


Originally posted by Shannon Nutt
- Disc two has a picture of the Enterprise-B in spacedock from the opening of Generations! And on top of that, the picture is UPSIDE DOWN!
That's odd. Maybe it's payback for Generations reusing the bird of prey special effect shot from Trek VI... :hscratch:

Shannon Nutt 01-24-04 08:57 AM


Originally posted by Space_Monkey
That's odd. Maybe it's payback for Generations reusing the bird of prey special effect shot from Trek VI... :hscratch:
I'm guessing they thought it was the Excelsior (since the ships are essentially the same model). But the fact that the picture is upside down is still a bit confusing. Of course, this happens all the time...how many Paramount items have you seen with pictures of the crew in uniform that have been REVERSED...so the Starfleet emblem and rank insignia are on the opposite sides of the uniform...

DVD Josh 01-24-04 09:38 AM


Originally posted by Damage
Okay, why do you call them "Deanies?"
Do you not remember what Dean did after losing in Iowa?

spongebobkay 01-24-04 09:54 AM


Originally posted by wfujosh
Do you not remember what Dean did after losing in Iowa?
http://deephousepage.com/smilies/rofl5.gif

Damage 01-24-04 10:04 AM


Originally posted by wfujosh
Do you not remember what Dean did after losing in Iowa?
Canadian here... what did Dean do after losing in Iowa?


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