Hm. Okay, I'll explain more, then. I'm not attacking you, just corroborating that I believe that EPKJ's comments about the majority of the collectors that he's met match my experience.

The issue seems to be whether or not DVD collectors are knowledgeable about their purchases and make buying decisions based on that knowledge. Most of the collectors that I've met have fairly broad tastes, although I know of a few people who only collect art films, or only horror films, etc.

You wrote:Sure it does. What else would but personal experience? Since you can never truly know what another person feels, you're technically correct - but we can deduce these things based on observation and by listening to what people say (assuming that based on their actions and words that they are a) telling the truth, and b) not insane).

You continue:They're not necessarily representative of most collectors, but they have been in EPKJ's experience, and my experience jibes with EPKJ's (in this instance).

I have no associations with either of you other than this board. I'm just adding to the public discussion. No attack on any single member was intended - but since we're discussing things publically sometimes it's useful to direct comments toward someone who has made statements with which I disagree.

No, the issue that I'm discussing is the methodology that one can use to make statements concerning the majority opinion of a given subset of the population.

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Sure it does. What else would but personal experience?

That's the point. wfujosh posted an opinion earlier in this thread on his perception of the majority opinion of DVDTalkers. EPKJ then replied: "That is nonsense. Most members have not even responded to this thread. You have absolutely no basis for thinking that you represent the majority." wfujosh used his personal experience of others' opinions to make a conclusion about the majority opinion. EPKJ derided this conclusion as "nonsense" because "most members" hadn't replied to the thread. EPKJ then went on to use the same faulty logic and made a statement about "most collectors." If wfujosh is incorrect in his conclusions because "most members" hadn't responded to this thread, then EPKJ is equally incorrect in that he has not personally spoken to "most collectors" in the world.

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Since you can never truly know what another person feels, you're technically correct - but we can deduce these things based on observation and by listening to what people say (assuming that based on their actions and words that they are a) telling the truth, and b) not insane).

You're really arguing with EPKJ here, not me. I only put him up to the same standard to which he put wfujosh.

DJ

I already said I wasn't arguing with you.

I think MANY posters have stated that they do not share in the OP's experience.

I will say that most collectors that I have met, and I know quite a few, generally don't buy something on impulse without thinking about it, but instead study-up on boards like this one, read DVD reviews for upcoming discs, and are pretty well informed when it comes to what they're buying and what they want.

This is true for me as well. I have made a few blind-buy purchases on films that I missed in theatres but were well-reviewed, usually because I could get them for not much more than it would cost me to rent the film once. Even if I don't like the film I could sell the DVD and get back more than the difference between a rental and the purchase price (although with the lack of deals/coupons in the past two years my blind buy purchases have slowed to a near stop - I got Pirates of the Caribbean as a blind buy and didn't regret it one bit).

You cay say you're not arguing with me all you want, but when you reply to me and say "you're technically correct - but...," then you are arguing with me.

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I think MANY posters have stated that they do not share in the OP's experience.

The fact that you keep going on and on about various collectors' experiences makes it clear that you still have no idea what the point of my posts has been. I can't keep explaining it further....

DJ

Your point was that no one can speak for the dvd collecting community as a whole. You're wrong, though.

However, in my last post I made reference to something that is quantifiable - the number of people posting to THIS VERY THREAD whose tastes have not changed and who have made better informed purchasing decisions than the OP, which is really the key issue, if not your semi-off-topic point.

No, that was not my point. My point was exposing EPKJ's hypocrisy in trashing wfujosh for using a methodology of determining majority opinion that EPKJ himself went on to use in the very next sentence.

If you haven't gotten it yet, I doubt you'll get it now, either.

DJ

Oh, I see. I was looking at your larger, actual point (intended or otherwise), not your petty bickering with another member.

If you're more interested in trying to prove someone else wrong than you are in exchanging views in a relevant discussion, my apologies, I won't address you in public again.

If you'd like to discuss this further e-mail me and take it off-forum.

That's great. Keep it up. I ask only that you don't mischaracterize my words in the process. Your opinion of what my "actual point" is holds little water, and I'd appreciate it if you didn't continue to misstate that point.

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If you're more interested in trying to prove someone else wrong than you are in exchanging views in a relevant discussion, my apologies, I won't address you in public again.

I was interested in making the point that I made. I was not interested in having my words mischaracterized, which you did. I corrected your mischaracterization of my words. What was I supposed to do? Happily agree with you when you're completely wrong in your claims about what I've said?

If you'd prefer to never "address" me in public again because you dislike the fact that I've corrected your mischaracterization of my words, then, by all means, have fun with your little temper tantrum. I'm sorry that your own inability to have figure out what I posted leads to such hostility.

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If you'd like to discuss this further e-mail me and take it off-forum.

No thanks.

DJ

To everyone else reading this thread, I apologise - I thought for sure that I was as clear as I could possibly be on this point.

Yeah before I will sitting in my chair and saw it now I'm sitting in my PC chair from a different part of the room.

Jough you hijacked my thread and I will never forgive you

I have a general rule for buying dvds. I'll buy the DVD if I saw it at the movie theater, even if the movie sucked. Other than that, I only buy movies that I really like.

you gotta love it.

You're correct wfujosh, jough DID hijack your thread with a bunch of crap which I didn't even want to read - or for that matter bother to read very well!! He said he wasn't arguing, but then kept "chatting" (that's what I call it when 2 people just go back and forth in a thread - and I wish they'd go into a chat room rather than making us lose the point of a thread, of just plain get bored with reading it!!).

Anyway, I have always TRIED to buy only those movies which I will want to watch over and over (no links to my guzzlefish or dvdprofiler collections - because it's only me who it's important to). My collection stands at about 270 and there are some which I would like to get rid of. It's a little tougher to sell stuff when you're not in the states. I'd like to get rid of some titles because even though I TRY to buy only those titles which I'll want to watch again and again, sometimes I am forced to blind buy certain titles and end up disappointed. Anyway, better luck with your next post - hope it doesn't end up hijacked!

Well, no one else was using it!

It's called a spending problem.

My collection hit 1000 today. Occasionally I wonder if it's out of control, but mostly I think not.

I work from home, and I own my own business. Which means that I pretty much work when I feel like it. And while I know a lot of people that listen to music while they work, I find that it distracts me. Watching a movie while I work, oddly enough, doesn't distract me at all. So I'll frequently watch 3-4 movies per day.

I also have a funky way of watching movies. A lot of the time I'll pop in a movie, watch my favorite bits, then pop something else in.

I'm also a cheapskate when it comes to movies. There are so many movies that I want to see, it's pretty easy to keep under control. If I go out movie shopping, and there are 100 movies I'd like to see, I'll pick up the five I can get for $15 or less. So even if I only watch something once, chances are I still paid less than if my wife and I went to the theater. Plus a lot of the stuff I like isn't the kind of thing you find at Blockbuster or Hollywood (lots and lots of obscure horror flicks), and I'm too much of a spur-of-the-moment kind of guy to wait three days for a dvd to show up from Netflix.

I don't buy discs just to have them. I do my research, and find out what the best version out there is, and base my purchases on that.

So I guess, when I look over at my shelves, I don't have any real problem with the number of discs I have. I'm sure at some point I'll do another purge (I sold about 100 discs last year), but my shelves aren't bulging with stuff I'll never watch again.

Enough rambling for me.

*rimshot*

Had to bump this as I just thought of another great example of this "maximizer" problem from another thread here.

All the people that bitch about re-releases (and in the case of Total Recall a re-re-release) with better features, yet still buy them.

It pisses them off, yet they buy it because they HAVE to have the best version available.

It's this kind of obsession that the article was talking about with the maximizing disorder.

Yeah, good call. I admit to being a maximizer when it comes to *certain* things - like DVD. I don't know why - I just hate to feel I'm missing out on the best possible version.

Mostly, though, I would rather not have multiple copies of the same release, and want just the ONE DEFINITIVE RELEASE of a certain title. This is becoming more of a problem as newer releases tend to not be better in every way.

So now I'm keeping both the Ultimate and Extreme editions of T2 because the extras are almost completely different, and so are the versions of the films.

I don't really have a problem with the Lord of the Rings versions, since the Extended Cut and Theatrical Version discs were announced at the same time, and contain completely different extras. Would I have preferred to have a single edition with both cuts of the film (through seamless branching or otherwise), and all of the extras on the set? Of course. But I don't feel badly about having both.

I mean, I consider LOTR to be one of the great epics in cinema HISTORY. Owning two releases of each film isn't really a problem since they're so different.

Likewise, I didn't mind the Apocalypse Now Redux release.

But this re-hashing of old discs with better transfers, so soon after the previous release, well, that's just money-grubbing. A *slightly* better picture or slightly better audio won't get my money. Heck, I still haven't "upgraded" to the Traffic: Criterion or to the double-disc edition of Boogie Nights (but I'd like to, eventually).

Just to clarify, I think anyone that collects something is like that.

The disorder psychologists are studying are people that really get stressed out over it.

My vision for my collection changed as of the holidays. From now on, I'm only buying box sets, full-season TV show sets, and the occasional Criterion.

I've suddenly realized that I don't have enough DVD's! Good god! What's wrong with me?! I think my collection is 'too small'. Has anyone else realized this?

Sheesh...

This is the most bothersome of all posts. Can an administrator please go ahead and create a DVD anonymous section for those of us who are recovering DVD collectors? It's hard to swallow all of these posts in a DVD collector's forum. Most of us are enthusiastic about our hobby. If you realize you've been wasting your money, than quit, find a new hobby and a new board!

Heading rapidly to 1000 DVD's and PROUD OF IT!

not too small...but it's not complete. there are many titles still to be released and there are many out I have yet to pick up. even I have a weekly spending limit. true, I'm closing in on having everything I want....but it's still a long road ahead...which is half the fun.

Erm... I was being... Oh Nevermind!

I too have an 'incomplete' collection. I have a ridiculous list of over 800 DVD's I want...

::Laughs insanely::