People have long said "Make CD's more affordable, and we will buy them" Well, DVD's are a much better value (Hours of entertainment, as stated above), sometimes cheaper, and are still copied.

Bottom line to all this: If it can be copied, some folks will do that. Some folks won't.

I have had a burner for several years, and have yet to bother making a DVD of anything that was available for purchase. (I use it for transfers for OOP laserdiscs, Bootleg concerts, etc...)

I can't believe people can be so patient when downloading a movie from the internet and I can't imagine the quality to be that great either.

Patient? I can download 15 gigs while I sleep. Its no big deal to people with broadband.
And we've already gone into the quality.

I strongly disagree with this statement. Quantitatively speaking, yes DVD offers more value in terms of hours of entertainment vs the CD. But, IMO the replay factor is a hell of a lot higher with a CD then a DVD. You may listen to a CD in many different venues (car, home, office, running via discman or ipod, etc.). I think it is a fair assumption that most people will listen to the average CD much more then they will watch the average DVD.

You, and it seems most of the people on this board who are screaming pirate really have no idea what they are talking about when it comes to the quality of DVD copies. When you are thinking of a bootleg are you thinking of a blurred picture? Maybe something that was recorded from a camcorder in a theater with people standing up in front of the camera to get their popcorn? Don't get me wrong, there are those types of copies out there too but there are also prestine copies of retail DVDs as well.

The fact is I could play you a copy of almost any film from any DVD out there (with DD 5.1, 6.1 or DTS) and you would not know the difference. I am not saying that I am a pirate or even endorse piracy. I am just trying to add some fact to this thread that is obscured with smoke, mirrors and lies.

Exactly!

so true.

why waste the time if they did not like it. so they rationalize that they do not like it very much and keep the ripped copy

Okai, please don't mistaken these two different category:

1. The Bootleg Industry.

Mostly in Asia. DVDs are duplicated at a very inexpensive price, and are sold for about 2$. The quality of the image/sound are uber crap, most due to being recorded in the theatre with a camcorder. Those are being sold.

2. The Student Pirate.

Mostly everywhere. Students who loves movies, but don't have the money to buy all movies that exist. Tho, they wish they can have most of them. Those are the people who rip Retail DVDs, at average 90% the quality of the Retail. Sound is perfect. They do it for they own use. Either have the movie as a copy, or nothing.


As for me, I'm #2, and I'm totally against #1.


Look at it this way. From Philip Reuben's example on page 5, at least, Mr. B who is morraly incorrect, pays money to Pioneer for the DVDR drive, and pays money to Ricoh for the DVDR blank discs. Comparing to Mr. A (who doesn't spent a shit), Mr. B is not doing much damage, he's spending money. And don't forget that, sometimes, Mr. B is spending money to buy TTT: EE, because he HAS to own that DVD set.

I also would like to say that, sracer gave some nice points, that no one dared to answer.


I think the big difference between the two mindset in this thread is this:

The pirate: Sees both sides of the fences, and agree that the "legal" garden is nicer, but he stays in the uglier 'illegal' garden. He, however does understand the difference between the two garden.

The legal buyer: Sees only his side of the fence, being a nice garden. He don't want to take a look at the other side. He just keep pretending that the other side is ugly, and denies/ignore/don't care to hear any justifications. End of story.

And: there are those who stands on the legal nicer garden, but see and understand both sides of the fence. And I respect those.


If one of you go to a University and tell all the students to stop downloading/ripping/copying DVDs, and only buy legit DVDs, I think you'll get booeh and get laughed to death. And try to do that in an Asian University, you'll appear on the newspapers.

Okai, let's rephrase what TomOpus said into something more accurate: "It's a movie I didn't care enough to see the behind the scenes, and a movie I don't really care to own on DVD, especially for full price. Well, I'll burn this one, keep the money for another worthy movie."

Laugh as much as you want, I can also laugh at you paying 15$ for a DVD that others can have for 5$. Be proud if you wish, some people prefer to keep that money for other things.

And so friking what if the person decides to keep their ripped copies? His friend can borrow them. It's not your problem whatever he does with them. And those who have 1200 titles, do you think they can watch their movies everyday? I think half of those titles are sitting on their shelf. I have 30 DVDs and some I've never put in my player twice. Not everyone watches movies every hours.

If you do not have the money then get a job and earn some so that you can buy the movies you want on dvd.

I find it funny you are against those in a third world country who would earn far less than you could at a job in fast food. while you think it is ok for you to steal .

funny stuff.

be honest and move on.

I am not a cop waiting to arrest you. so you steal movies you like and keep them- admit it and move on. why keep trying to prove it techinically is not theft because you would not have bought them otherwise.

why rationalize what you do then get defensive about it.

so what if I have more movies than you?

I think it is morally wrong to rip a movie that I do not own. sure you spend a bit less than me. I also have no worries about someone tipping off copyright holders who might decide to use me as a test case to scare some student rippers.

I give up. Chao.

i used to be totally against piracy on movies. but since i'm in a tough financial situation, i have little choice but to buy a few pirated dvd's. but i'm picky in terms of pirate dvd's. it's gotta at least, some special features. in fact, i got a few dvd's that are DVD-9 and they work perfectly.

sometimes, i'd even get a legit copy of a movie that i own previously (pirated). "Finding Nemo" is one of them.

I used to be against "women/sex for sale"...but being in this frustrating sexual situation...I have had little choice but to hire and slap a few worn-out rumps.

I have over 500 DVDs and about 50 DVD-r's of movies i've either bought from other regions and had converted to NTSC (Eyes Wide Shut R3, Salo R2, The Burning R2, Hero R3) or that I have bought the LD of and tranfered to DVD-r (Original Star Wars Trilogy, George Of The Jungle WS)

Didn't you say in another thread that you cheat on your tax return each year? Maybe you were kidding, in which case never mind... But if you weren't, that seems analogous to what these guys do--certainly closer than your prostitution analogy.

You say that because you don't understand the point he is making. There are unwritten rules about internet piracy. The one that most pertains to this situation is that you shall not gain a financial profit by selling the movies you obtain illegally.

Those who do will find they are not welcomed by the people who would download for their own enjoyment. Without going into details there are reprecussions for those who use their piracy connections to gain wealth. Believe it or not it is by those who would do the pirating themselves.

This crosses a line, as well as breaking a much greater law, between downloading for your personal use and selling someone else's copyrighted goods for your own profit.

legality aside.......

as a college student I would just like to add that I can't remember meeting anyone that didn't either have illegal mp3s, software, movies etc, or find it morally corrupt enough that they wouldn't be willing to do it themselves, thievery is so rampant on my campus, I live in an environment that is so conducive to copyright infringement ...lets just say I am not surprised at mine, or most of my friends actions

my friend borrowed my copy of "Hero" (r3). he was frustrated about not being able to watch it so he made a copy.