Digital Video Dementia - It's starting...
#26
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Well, I think most of us would like to just go to any store that sells DVDs and pick up a title without checking to see if it's the right version because widescreen would be all that was available. It would also be nice if the stores that are cheap and close (Wal-Mart, KMart) would carry both versions (which is increasingly not the case). There's a grocery store near me that has cheap rentals (99 cents), but I'm renting less and less from them because if a full-frame version is available that's all they'll carry.
These things do annoy me, but I don't think the sky is falling yet. The reduced prices and larger numbers of titles available are worth it. It wasn't a big deal to make the trek to Best Buy to pick up Sunset Boulevard last year because the Wal-Mart near me didn't bother to carry it. After all, they needed to make room for a large display showcasing the latest Olsen Twins opus.
These things do annoy me, but I don't think the sky is falling yet. The reduced prices and larger numbers of titles available are worth it. It wasn't a big deal to make the trek to Best Buy to pick up Sunset Boulevard last year because the Wal-Mart near me didn't bother to carry it. After all, they needed to make room for a large display showcasing the latest Olsen Twins opus.
#28
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You know, Laserdisks are still available. And while there obviously aren't new releases, there are many excellent releases. Also, it's totally a hobbyist market. So if that's really what you are after, why not go there.
I'm very happy the market is expanding. I like many recent films, but what I really like is when a catalog title I've been really wanting finally comes out (August is the greatest DVD month for me ever because of this). I believe that as more and more people get interested in DVD, there will actually be more of a market for nitch titles (in spite of the fact that the majority may not buy them) so I am all for it.
Also, because of the way things started out with DVD (primarily widescreen), I don't believe Full Screen only releases will be the norm--if anything, they seem to be becoming relatively less frequent.
So you are worrying about nothing.
I'm very happy the market is expanding. I like many recent films, but what I really like is when a catalog title I've been really wanting finally comes out (August is the greatest DVD month for me ever because of this). I believe that as more and more people get interested in DVD, there will actually be more of a market for nitch titles (in spite of the fact that the majority may not buy them) so I am all for it.
Also, because of the way things started out with DVD (primarily widescreen), I don't believe Full Screen only releases will be the norm--if anything, they seem to be becoming relatively less frequent.
So you are worrying about nothing.
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Re: Digital Video Dementia - It's starting...
Originally posted by Duality
Posts asking if you've ever purchased a DVD in the Full Screen format rather than the widescreen, theatrical format and members boasting in response that they do indeed buy *some* films FF - I predicted this a while back. Hoping that the DVD player market would stall and the P&S crowd would remain an insignificant minority in the DVD community, I openly cheered flat DVD sales. Sales have since bounced back and with about 50% of VHS households now owning a DVD player we have a genuine problem.
Furthermore, to the folks who called me an elitist, I say enjoy the high-brow, multipage thread, Buy certin(sic) movies in fullscreen?
Posts asking if you've ever purchased a DVD in the Full Screen format rather than the widescreen, theatrical format and members boasting in response that they do indeed buy *some* films FF - I predicted this a while back. Hoping that the DVD player market would stall and the P&S crowd would remain an insignificant minority in the DVD community, I openly cheered flat DVD sales. Sales have since bounced back and with about 50% of VHS households now owning a DVD player we have a genuine problem.
Furthermore, to the folks who called me an elitist, I say enjoy the high-brow, multipage thread, Buy certin(sic) movies in fullscreen?
#30
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Re: You're right! However...
Originally posted by Duality
bboisvert,
Downhill? Well, dual Full Screen and Widescreen releases that "test" what the market is demanding, the sudden absence of chapter inserts and the shoddy treatment (replication) of some TV shows that have been transferred to DVD are certainly not steps in the proverbial right direction!
I agree that some of the newbies are wonderful people who are an asset to our community. Many, however, are not!
bboisvert,
Downhill? Well, dual Full Screen and Widescreen releases that "test" what the market is demanding, the sudden absence of chapter inserts and the shoddy treatment (replication) of some TV shows that have been transferred to DVD are certainly not steps in the proverbial right direction!
I agree that some of the newbies are wonderful people who are an asset to our community. Many, however, are not!
So in the end, if all I have to give up is a few inserts, and what I gain is what I listed above, I guess it's a fair trade off. Mainstreaming DVD has its bonuses too.
And I'd also note, has any DVD released in both widescreen and full screen, had the full screen significantly outsell the widescreen? I often see the widescreen selling more, though it can vary from title to title.
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We are entering a new phase of DVD mass marketing...the golden age is in decline. Soon the studios will be pandering to the LoComDenom ethos.
Cheap discs, bad transfers, fullscreen...and no extras. How can this be a good thing?
Bring back good old fashioned elitism.
Cheap discs, bad transfers, fullscreen...and no extras. How can this be a good thing?
Bring back good old fashioned elitism.
#32
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Studios will always release Dvd's in the OAR with extras if they can make a profit off that release. They know that if they release a dvd in full screen only that some will not buy the dvd unless full screen is the OAR.
They look at market data and decide if sales would be higher on that title in full screen or widescreen and go where the money is.
It is not a few men in a room plotting about converting everyone to full screen. The studios could care less about it. They just want the money to flow into the studio.
As more and more Tv's become 16x9 I think we will slowly see a new category of buyers. Those who only want dvd's in 16x9 because they want their Tv set filled up.
So OAR 4:3 movies will begin to be altered into 16x9 presentations
They look at market data and decide if sales would be higher on that title in full screen or widescreen and go where the money is.
It is not a few men in a room plotting about converting everyone to full screen. The studios could care less about it. They just want the money to flow into the studio.
As more and more Tv's become 16x9 I think we will slowly see a new category of buyers. Those who only want dvd's in 16x9 because they want their Tv set filled up.
So OAR 4:3 movies will begin to be altered into 16x9 presentations
#33
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Laserdisc...
was a nice format, but it was too impractical in so many ways. The size of the discs alone was prohibitive! The size of the community was too small. I believe ten or fifteen million homes owning players, rather than the tiny two million who had jumped on by the dawn DVD, would have been the ideal number.
As for DVD prices being lower - I've checked B*st Buy lately. The Three Stooges are an excellent example of the pricing trend. When CTS initially offered these sets they were $14.99 to $19.99. I can't find them anywhere under $20.00 today. Some places, B*rders, have them priced near $25.00 after tax!
As for DVD prices being lower - I've checked B*st Buy lately. The Three Stooges are an excellent example of the pricing trend. When CTS initially offered these sets they were $14.99 to $19.99. I can't find them anywhere under $20.00 today. Some places, B*rders, have them priced near $25.00 after tax!
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Originally posted by Duality
audrey,
I suppose you could look at it that way. However, I'm speaking again because of the startling deterioration I've been observing lately. People like you are rarely posting and topics are becoming inane. Was DVD Talk really this base back in 1999? I believe this is destructive to the DVD community.
The "pawn shop" issue is another symptom of the unfortunate mentality that is creeping into our "DVD lives".
audrey,
I suppose you could look at it that way. However, I'm speaking again because of the startling deterioration I've been observing lately. People like you are rarely posting and topics are becoming inane. Was DVD Talk really this base back in 1999? I believe this is destructive to the DVD community.
The "pawn shop" issue is another symptom of the unfortunate mentality that is creeping into our "DVD lives".




