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Old 06-10-03, 07:25 PM
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some Indy & Friday the 13 news

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Just can't wait until November 12th(4th,, they posted the wrong date] when that Indiana Jones Collection box set arrives? No? Well, you're not alone. We just got confirmation from Paramount Home Entertainment regarding most of the specs for the highly-anticipated box, which is sure to be one of the biggest catalog sellers of all time.

The four-disc box will be available in separate 2.35:1 anamorphic widescreen and full screen versions, with audio options including Dolby Digital tracks in English 5.1 and French and Spanish 2.0 surround (sorry, no DTS or EX) plus subtitles in English, French and Spanish plus English Closed Captions. With all the extras on the fourth disc, what can you expect? While still untitled, thrill to a new full-length documentary on the series, four separate featurettes on the sound, the music, the stunts and the wizards at ILM. As of now, no word on whether or not all the film's many trailers will be able to be squeezed on the bonus disc, but stay tuned.

And in one of those rumors that only the Internet could produce, we've received a number of emails regarding a possible special bonus 5th disc offer for the Indy Jones set, which would available to purchasers at specific retailers only, such as Best Buy. However, we've received official word from both Paramount and Lucasfilm that they have no such plans or any awareness of such a promotion or bonus disc offer. Of course, watch this space for any further updates.


In other Paramount news, fans of that big guy in a hockey mask have been clamoring for special edition reissues of the Friday the 13th series for some time now, so we talked with Paramount Home Entertainment's head of publicity Martin Blythe to see what is up with the sultan of summer camp slaughter....

In good news for splatter fans, Paramount is currently in the beginning stages of planning new issues of the Friday flicks, although due to the very limited availability of archival materials, just what form such a release would take, such as a box set, remains formative. There is also no word on whether uncut versions of the films, which remains highly requested by fans of the series, will be possible to include. As for a release date, a late 2004 arrival is hoped for. Watch this space!


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The thing with such low material of friday material is bull. Look at the over sea's release.
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Old 06-10-03, 10:20 PM
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The thing with such low material of friday material is bull. Look at the over sea's release.
I agree. Even if no behind-the-scenes footage was shot, and they can't get their hands on the cut footage, they can still record commentaries and make retrospective featurettes with cast and crew. It's not like many of them have more important projects right now. Plus they could take a page from the 007 releases and feature a special all-series featurette on each disc, like "The Many Faces of Jason", "The Girls of Crystal Lake", or "Innovative Kills".
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Regardless of the uncut versions, at least their listening to fans and making special editions!

GREAT NEWS!
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I would think uncut special editions would make more cash if they planned to release them the same time as Freddy vs Jason ... ahem Paramount.

Also, if you guys do decide to finally make these, after the fans have asked for five or so years, please make sure that part VII is Only available finally uncut in the box set! While your at it, throw in a Best Buy Exclusive disc, you know like the score or something, and charge 250+ bucks for it.

By the way, you guys need someone to do marketing research for you?

Edit* Yes, my post is 100% sarcasm.

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Old 06-10-03, 10:41 PM
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My serious wish list for the first 8 Friday the 13th films.

1. Uncut, finally! Whatever you can dig up!
2. Bring back the cool poster art!
3. Lower the msrp this time around!
4. Any extras whatsoever would be cool, but as previously mentioned you have to try and include commentaries. I doubt C. Glover would be willing to do one, (imagine if he would!) but I'm sure you can find at least one non-famous person from each of the 8 films to do it.

Commentaries:
A. I would love to hear each films problems with the MPAA.
B. Would love "Directors and Stars" opinions and feedback about Roger Ebert's hatred of these movies. The letters he wrote to Betsy Palmer?
C. Would love to hear about the way some of the scripts were rumored to have changed, been toned down, or forgotten b/c of the content. For example, the disappearing Paul in part 2 and the rewrite of the "rape" scenes in part 3.
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Old 06-10-03, 11:29 PM
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Well this is promising news. Yet the one thing the SE's must include are the UNCUT versions of the films!

If they don't,then they are not 'special'. It's a fact that the footage to part 1 & 7 do exist. So there should be no excuse for not releasing the uncut versions of those. It's pretty obvious the uncut footage for the other sequels exist somewhere. Afterall even the long lost My Bloody Valentine uncut footage was found after so many years!

So uncut restored versions are a must for this series!

Now would Paramount attempt getting them re-rated to avoid a 'unrated' release? If so. I'm pretty sure parts 1-3 could pass with a R uncut today. Yet the much more gruesome & over the top parts 5-7 would probably be NC-17 material still today,or you never know with the MPAA!

So if they do attempt reratings. When they run into a problem with the MPAA giving one of the sequels a NC-17. They better not cop out..& release the film unrated then!

so it's uncut=sales cut=no sales.

At least it appears something may happen on the horizon. We'll just have to wait & see. I hope Paramount truely does listen to us about the uncut versions.
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Is anyone else curious about the audio/visual of these new editions? How are the transfers and sound mixes on the original/current versions? (I don't know b/c I've been holding out for SE's)

p.s. It would be nice to get uncut versions
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Julie, you raise an interesting question. I would think it would be easier to just do what most other studios are doing and release the dvds as "un-rated" instead of going back to the ratings board. Paramount, as we all know, seems to have a problem with any un-rated material so it would be interesting to see what would happen. I say "would" because I still don't believe that Paramount is serious or cares about these movies. To me it sounds like they are pitching this info out to get the Paramount boycotters to buy the Indiana set. We'll see. Where's Mr. B!?!

As for the current discs, The presentation on the ones I have watched, parts 1-7, seems to be pretty good. However, special features such as "Interactive Menus" at the release price of 29.99 was a big time rip off.
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Maybe Paramount doesn't release unrated discs so morally clean stores such as Wal-Mart will carry the titles in their stores?

If that were the case I would have the MPAA rate the new cuts.
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Old 06-11-03, 09:24 AM
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Originally posted by JoeyOhhhh
Maybe Paramount doesn't release unrated discs so morally clean stores such as Wal-Mart will carry the titles in their stores?

If that were the case I would have the MPAA rate the new cuts.
Well WM does'nt carry F13th or many horror titles that i've noticed. Expect for maybe a brief time around Halloween. Thats the only time i ever say F13th(only had the original) & a couple other Paramount horror dvds. Yet they vanished from the shelves a week later & i doubt they all sold out!

+ that store is horrible anyway,thus the less you shop there,the better



Now the reason i'm wondering about Paramount is,because they are very anal about ratings. I mean they even got the R rated version of Saturday Night Fever re-rated(which it got a R!) before the dvd release. Yet since that version was already rated. It waas a waste of $$$. My guess is they did it just to have the 'ratings reason' listed on the packaging.

Even Star Trek 2 with it's two minutes of extra dialogue was re-rated & got a PG which was the original rating in the first place. Again seems like a waste of $$$ since the rating was not going to change anyway.


So while some of the uncut F13th's could get a R today,at least in my opinion. Some of the more gruesome ones may not. Which leads to the problem..& Paramount better do the right thing & release them unrated!
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I don't understand of going to the trouble for a re-rating. While they could re-edit all or some of the films with the intent to call them "uncut" versions for marketing purposes, the MPAA could still refuse them R ratings, particularly on Part VII, in which the missing footage is quite gory. I just can't see the MPAA forgetting about their past with these films and letting everything slide. I don't think fans want partially restored versions.

This is an old topic, but what Viacom/Paramount needs to do is just throw out that silly policy against releasing unrated videos. Other major studios don't have a problem with it and it's not like anyone is asking them to release porn.
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Yes i wonder if the MPAA would let the films slide today or not?

I mean they have the pretty goreless Jason X until a few micro frames were cut. Probably though "it just would'nt be a Jason film if it didn't get a NC-17!". Ebert mentioned the same for Beyond the Valley of the Dolls X rating stating "Well it's Rus Meyer..& would'nt be the same if it didn't get a X!" despite it could easily be R rated uncut in my opinion!


Yet if Paramount could do some major pursuasing making them look at the current R rated versions with the uncut versions..& state that R rated films are alittle more graphic now. Maybe they would change there minds & be 'nice' just this once? Doubtful..& as said,the studio should just throw out the pathetic policy & release the unrated!
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I dunno... Final Destination was pretty gruesome in some scenes.. and Hellraiser comes to mind. How much worse can it be? Is Jason chowing down on brains or something with a thumbs up?
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Nope...just graphic footage of bodies being literally sliced n diced

Yet the MPAA did alot of slicing & dicing themselves when you see how much had to be cut in order to get a R!
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I dunno... Final Destination was pretty gruesome in some scenes.. and Hellraiser comes to mind. How much worse can it be? Is Jason chowing down on brains or something with a thumbs up?
Very true Bill. In the 80s the MPAA looked down heavily on the Friday the 13th films, thanks to extreme views and protests of those such as Mr. Eberts. I think the uncut versions may be able to pass with an "R" rating today. Part 7 might be the exception though.

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All care about is that Indy Jones is coming out in Nov, now that is going to be fun.
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The MPAA were looking to take out the F13 films, because the early ones caused them so many complaints. I'm sure they don't care anymore, and an uncut F13 is DEFINETLY less bloody than stuff that gets R ratings today. So Paramount could resubmit if they want- but they've already produced R rated editions, WalMart can just carry those. It will probably come down to what they can even restore at this point. What I'd like to see most of all, all of which I think is reasonable:
-original theatre artwork for all covers.
-as a deleted scene, the alternate ending to part 3
-a better transfer of part 4 (in addition to grain, there are a couple of mistakes; like when the lights are supposed to go out in the bathroom, but for some reason in the transfer they don't seem to)
-as deleted scenes, part 4's TV scenes (used as filler) and the cut scene where Trish finds her mom
-allow John Carl Buelcher to re-edit part VII
-include all available trailers and TV spots
-WHEREVER POSSIBLE, the uncut version of the film.

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Now the reason i'm wondering about Paramount is,because they are very anal about ratings. I mean they even got the R rated version of Saturday Night Fever re-rated(which it got a R!) before the dvd release. Yet since that version was already rated. It waas a waste of $$$. My guess is they did it just to have the 'ratings reason' listed on the packaging.

Even Star Trek 2 with it's two minutes of extra dialogue was re-rated & got a PG which was the original rating in the first place. Again seems like a waste of $$$ since the rating was not going to change anyway.


So while some of the uncut F13th's could get a R today,at least in my opinion. Some of the more gruesome ones may not. Which leads to the problem..& Paramount better do the right thing & release them unrated!
I'f I'm not mistaken, Sat Night Fever got a recut sometime after it's original release so they could get a PG rating and rake in more dough. They might have just been ensuring they had the right cut.

As for Star Trek 2, it's only 2 minutes, but they cannot keep the old rating if they change anything. It has to be submitted to legally use an MPAA rating. ST The Motion Picture was originally G when it came out, and the Director's Edition got a PG. Hardly anything that could affect a rating, such as the language, or the "violence" was changed, just the MPAA's standards over time.


As for Wal Mart, I've long held the theory that Paramount released the barebones R rated versions first so Wal Mart and Blockbuster and their ilk could have something to sell that they couldn't get in trouble from parents for (since it is rated). They can go back now and do unrated or NC 17 cuts since WM or BB are unlikely to stock second editions of such movies.
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I'f I'm not mistaken, Sat Night Fever got a recut sometime after it's original release so they could get a PG rating and rake in more dough. They might have just been ensuring they had the right cut.
Yes there was a PG version of the film. Yet there was also a 'different' version rated R. The R version was the original version. Since both versions are 'legally' rated...& nothing is changed in the R rated version. The R rated version did not have to be resubmitted for a rating. Neither would the PG version had they released that as well.

Now if SNF was originally rated X..& cut to a R. Then the uncut footage added in. Then it would have to re-rated..& see whether it gets a R now,or NC-17. Yet this is not the case,which is why i find it strange they'd waste $$ getting a film rerated,when it was already rated..& recieved the same rating today!


As for Star Trek 2, it's only 2 minutes, but they cannot keep the old rating if they change anything. It has to be submitted to legally use an MPAA rating.
True..but they could always do a MGM & "oops" we included the uncut version,but 'accidentally' had the original rating on the packaging Now since there is no 'objectionable' material added to the version & the rating would'nt change anyway in this case. I don't see someone down the line complaining & pushing for a huge recall,as in the Swamp Thing issue.


As for Wal Mart, I've long held the theory that Paramount released the barebones R rated versions first so Wal Mart and Blockbuster and their ilk could have something to sell that they couldn't get in trouble from parents for (since it is rated). They can go back now and do unrated or NC 17 cuts since WM or BB are unlikely to stock second editions of such movies.
Good theory...yet i find WM & BB's of the world Hypocrites of the highest order. With all the trouble they go through to keep 'kids' under 17 from buying/renting R rated movies among other things. Why then is carrying 'unrated/NC-17' material 'taboo'..when only the adults can purchase the stuff in the first place? Why should the adults be allowed to only view/purchase the cut/censored versions at these stores,when the cut versions are kept out of 'kids' hands in the first place. Would'nt the 'uncut' material be kept out of their hands also & therefore should be no problems carrying the stuff?

Now if they use the 'porn' excuse. Thats patheticly laughable. Since we're talking about movies here,not 'porn'. So if they act like R rated films are 'porn' & keep 'kids' from seeing them. Then why do the adults still not get to watch the 'adult' material intended for them in the first place?
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I'f I'm not mistaken, Sat Night Fever got a recut sometime after it's original release so they could get a PG rating and rake in more dough. They might have just been ensuring they had the right cut.
Correct. A PG cut played during the day so that the kids could see it.

Most kids just bought tickets for the pg version, came late, and stayed in the theater to watch the R version...
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The first Friday the 13th was released 23 years ago today.
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I agree. Even if no behind-the-scenes footage was shot, and they can't get their hands on the cut footage, they can still record commentaries and make retrospective featurettes with cast and crew. It's not like many of them have more important projects right now. Plus they could take a page from the 007 releases and feature a special all-series featurette on each disc, like "The Many Faces of Jason", "The Girls of Crystal Lake", or "Innovative Kills".
Maybe they have! I noticed this on IMDB:

Return to Crystal Lake: Making 'Friday the 13th' that was filmed in 2003!

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I have said it many previous posts, but I'll bring it up again in this thread (I mentioned the upcoming Friday discs in another Paramount thread...guess I should have started a new thread).

Anyway, regardless of the fact that the fans (myself included)want full 'uncut' versions of these films, the fact is that NO footage has shown up for parts 2,3,4,5 and 8. (I'm currently talking with Tom McLoughlin about a push for a Jason Lives Director's Cut, and am waiting to hear back from him regarding what actually still exists from the X version of the kills he filmed). Yes we know footage exists for the original as it has been available on Jap LD for years, and John Carl Buechler has stated publicly the footage is available for The New Blood. That's it.

Regardless of the bogus 'uncut' bootlegs that have been floating around eBay (they aren't uncut...and in the case of The Final Chapter, the extra footage is just TV footage added to pad the rutime. It's worth? Considering Joe Zito doesn't think it belonged in the theatrical film...that's enough for me) the fact is that most of this footage that has been claimed to be 'seen' in Fango and the like, I hate to break it to you, but even if a scene was scripted (or in the case of the Tiff Helm death from V, actually shot) that doesn't mean it wasn't scrapped, and discarded after dailies. Most of this stuff was cut at the descision of Frank Mancuso, Jr, and not necessarily the MPAA BTW.

And even if some mysterious cache of footage is found rotting away in an acrid pile of vinegar-scented celluloid waste somewhere...how USABLE is it gona be? I seriously doubt that the throngs of screaming fans have an inkling as to the actual process that goes into striking a new print, remastering efforts, etc that goes into making such footage worthwhile, or even usuable.
Rergardless...they have acknowledged the process has at least begun.

Now let's cross our fingers and hope something good happens.

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