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Old 09-07-10, 07:15 AM
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help selecting floor-standing speakers

I'm building my first true Home Audio setup and am having difficulty choosing the right set of front floor standing speakers...I live in a medium sized apartment in NYC...I've narrowed it down to 3 but have no experience with any of them...which of these 3 would you choose and why?...thanks for any help

* I'll also be pairing them with the Denon AVR-591 receiver and am not sure if 75 watts per channel is enough

Aperion Intimus 5T Tower Speaker

Axiom M60 v3

Polk Monitor 70

**I can't post links yet so I could not link directly to the manufacturer's website
Old 09-07-10, 08:16 AM
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Re: help selecting floor-standing speakers

The only pair of the three that I have ever listened to are the Polks and I do not care for the sound of Polk at all. I have never heard the other speakers.

Have you listened to them? As for the power requirements of the speaker have you looked at the rated power requirements?
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Re: help selecting floor-standing speakers

The wattage rating on speakers hardly matters. The most important spec is the sensitivity rating, usually around 90db. And for a receiver you want to stick with speakers rated at 8 ohms. But generally, you should be fine for normal volumes with almost any 8 ohm speaker and almost any receiver. If you plan to blow out your ears with reference volume (reference is a defined volume level for calibration, it's frickin' loud) or near, you better raise your budget.

Also, and this may frighten you, that receiver is not really a 75 watt amp. Probably more like....32 watts when measured/rated properly. But if you do the math, you find that most listening is actually using less than 1 watt per channel. Really.

These days I always recommend people check out SVS, among others. Their bookshelf-sized system plus low-end sub comes to around $1000, and I doubt you can find anything comparable for the price. (esp the sub) But you need to listen to speakers to find what YOU like. (eh, it might be more than a grand now, they used to have cheaper specials running)

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Old 09-07-10, 09:24 AM
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Re: help selecting floor-standing speakers

Hey TitusTroy, if you're considering the Polk Monitor series, I would also look at the Infinity Primus lineup (unless you've already ruled them out). I've heard both and personally prefer the Infinity speakers.
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Re: help selecting floor-standing speakers

I did look at all the power/specs for all the listed speakers and they all seem fine but I'm not sure...here are the important specs for each:

Denon AVR-591 receiver rated at 75 watts per channel at 8 ohms and 120 watts at 6 ohms, THD= 0.08%

Aperion 5T speakers: 6 ohms, 87 dB and Recommended power= 50-200 watts

Axiom speakers: 8 ohms, 89-93 dB and Power= 10-250 watts

Polk Monitor 70: 8 ohms, 90 dB and power= 20-275 watts

I really like the Aperions but at only 87 dB and 6 ohms would I need a higher powered receiver?

I havn't listened to any of the above speakers because the Aperions and Axioms are not available in any store and are only sold directly through the manufacturer but they are all highly rated

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Re: help selecting floor-standing speakers

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Aperion 5T speakers: 6 ohms, 87 dB and Recommended power= 50-200 watts



I really like the Aperions but at only 87 dB and 6 ohms would I need a higher powered receiver?
You should be ok. I wouldn't do long-term blasting, though.

I havenít even seen one of those Denons, but letís assume it follows the traditional rating method of a true rating being about half of the marketing-speak. So, 60wpc into 6 ohms. Iíll also assume you sit at 3m from the front speakers.

These are all approximations, of course:
1w=81db (at 3m away)
2w=84db
4w=87db
8w=90db
16w=93db
Etc.

Frankly, thatís pretty loud, and still within the receiverís specs. And youíve said playing it loud is not really an option in the apartment. Conversation is around 70db. As I said, most times people are actually listening to less than 1wpc of power from their system.
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Re: help selecting floor-standing speakers

Originally Posted by TitusTroy View Post
I did look at all the power/specs for all the listed speakers and they all seem fine but I'm not sure...here are the important specs for each:

Denon AVR-591 receiver rated at 75 watts per channel at 8 ohms and 120 watts at 6 ohms, THD= 0.08%

Aperion 5T speakers: 6 ohms, 87 dB and Recommended power= 50-200 watts

Axiom speakers: 8 ohms, 89-93 dB and Power= 10-250 watts

Polk Monitor 70: 8 ohms, 90 dB and power= 20-275 watts

I really like the Aperions but at only 87 dB and 6 ohms would I need a higher powered receiver?

I havn't listened to any of the above speakers because the Aperions and Axioms are not available in any store and are only sold directly through the manufacturer but they are all highly rated
Couple of things;

What is your budget? Is this a surround set up or only 2 channel? If surround, what about the center channel? What about the surrounds?

I'm guessing you want a surround system since your Denon is a surround receiver, but that may not be a good assumption.

You need to listen. Reviews don't mean jack. There are lots of very good speakers, that are highly rated, that don't sound anything alike. As mentioned, Polk speakers get good reviews, but I don't like them either. I'm also not a Klipsch fan. But that doesn't make them bad. That makes them not to my taste. I go more towards the British speakers, KEF, B&W, etc. But many people don't like them.

If you are building a surround system, why is floor stand so important?

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Re: help selecting floor-standing speakers

Originally Posted by Sdallnct View Post
Couple of things;

What is your budget? Is this a surround set up or only 2 channel? If surround, what about the center channel? What about the surrounds?

I'm guessing you want a surround system since your Denon is a surround receiver, but that may not be a good assumption.

You need to listen. Reviews don't mean jack. There are lots of very good speakers, that are highly rated, that don't sound anything alike. As mentioned, Polk speakers get good reviews, but I don't like them either. I'm also not a Klipsch fan. But that doesn't make them bad. That makes them not to my taste. I go more towards the British speakers, KEF, B&W, etc. But many people don't like them.

If you are building a surround system, why is floor stand so important?
budget is around $2500...was originally going to get only the 2 fronts and a center channel since I currently live in an apartment in Manhattan with the intention of getting the surrounds and subwoofer later on when I move to a house but I'm now leaning towards getting the full 5 speakers (but without the subwoofer)

floor standings are important because I love the way they look plus they usually produce better sound over satellite/bookshelf speakers...also since space is not really an issue I want to get the speakers that produce the best sound

it's pretty much impossible to listen to the Axiom or Aperions because they are not available in any store and I don't know anyone who has a pair...but the great thing about both of them is that they offer a free 30 day home trial...if I'm not completely satisfied I can return the speakers no questions asked for a full refund (Aperion even pays the return shipping charges)...that shows really high confidence in their product and I have nothing to lose in trying them

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Frankly, that’s pretty loud, and still within the receiver’s specs. And you’ve said playing it loud is not really an option in the apartment. Conversation is around 70db. As I said, most times people are actually listening to less than 1wpc of power from their system.
thanks for the info
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Re: help selecting floor-standing speakers

Floor standing speakers don't automatically sound better than bookshelf speakers. And you can make a pretty good argument that for that budget they may sound worse. Why? The bigger the more complex the more money is needed to make them sound better. So on a budget, you can be better off getting bookshelf. Yes, some floor standing speakers sound better. But there are just as many bookshelf systems that sound better.

If your getting a surround set up you really need a sub. Unlike 2-channel audio, the sub is an integrated part of the system.

At the very least your 3 main speakers need to "match". Personally I think all 5 should, but at least the front 3. Doesn't mean they have to be the same speaker, but matching in type/designed to work together.

Tho for that kind of money you can get a nice set up (including sub) from SVS, and they make floor standing mains if you want,

http://www.svsound.com/products-spks-sts01.cfm

pair with most of their subs and you got a nice system....

Tho I almost bought a HSU sub over the weekend.

I'd go listen. Listen to what you like and then determine what type of speakers you like. Then at least if you order something on line without listening, you can pick something that at least is similar.
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Re: help selecting floor-standing speakers

Originally Posted by TitusTroy View Post
budget is around $2500...was originally going to get only the 2 fronts and a center channel since I currently live in an apartment in Manhattan with the intention of getting the surrounds and subwoofer later on when I move to a house but I'm now leaning towards getting the full 5 speakers (but without the subwoofer)
For that budget, you can get a damn nice setup.

The most important thing with speakers is to listen with your own ears and decide what you like for yourself. Getting some recommendations is a great idea, but speaker brands can sound very different from each other, and opinions are therefore very subjective.

When I was shopping 8 or 9 years ago, I listened to Polk and really liked them. I think checked out Paradigm after reading a lot about them online (back in the days of newsgroups) and fell in love. I'd recommend finding a Paradigm dealer and giving them a listen. If the sound isn't for you, then move on.

I haven't heard the SVS speakers myself, but have read nothing but good about them since they came out. And Spiky never steered anyone wrong.

In terms of floor-standing sounding better, you might be surprised if you listen to a good set of bookshelves. When I went in to listen to the Paradigm Monitor 7's, I was amazed at the sound of the Mini-Monitors. And keep in mind that a sub doesn't have to imply thumping bass. Depending how you set the levels, they can fill in the sound nicely without needing to thump. But of course, they can rattle the walls if you desire.

Have fun!
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Re: help selecting floor-standing speakers

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And keep in mind that a sub doesn't have to imply thumping bass.
What?!?
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What?!?
It doesn't have to, but it certainly is nice.

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