Receiver question...
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Receiver question...
I'm looking at possibly replacing my 5-year-old Sony receiver with something a little more "modern", one that can handle 6.1 or 7.1 output. I know I'll have to pick up some additional speakers, or just buy a whole new set, so that doesn't concern me, really. But, I have an HD DVD player, too, so I want to make sure I don't buy something that will see me painted into a corner a few months down the line. My budget is about $500, but I'd really like to spend less than that, as I don't need some kick ass, no names taken system. My neighbors would probably kill me. So, having stated all of that, can anyone recommend a good model to check out? Or, what are some features the receiver should have to prevent me from entering that corner? Thanks!
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Well I am not sure I understand your question as it relates to your HD-DVD player? Do you need the receiver to do video switching for you? If so you want a receiver that accepts hdmi.
And for that budget I am not sure you are going to get 6.1 with switching.
And for that budget I am not sure you are going to get 6.1 with switching.
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Well I am not sure I understand your question as it relates to your HD-DVD player? Do you need the receiver to do video switching for you? If so you want a receiver that accepts hdmi.
And for that budget I am not sure you are going to get 6.1 with switching.
And for that budget I am not sure you are going to get 6.1 with switching.
Also, my HD DVD player is currently hooked up to my receiver via the analog outs, which only go up to 5.1. For DVDs and HD DVDs that use 6.1+, would the standard optical or coaxial connection to the receiver suffice? Additionally, does doing so bypass the player's built-in decoders, defaulting to the receiver's? Bottom line, I want to use the HD DVD player's decoders, but still get 6.1+ out of the receiver. I can't do that via analog, though, and I didn't know how the HDMI connection factored into it.
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Originally Posted by Vipper II
Okay, let me rephrase. If I don't require the video switching, would I need the HDMI connection on the receiver? Does it play any role in the audio department?
If you do not need switching then your choice becomes easier.
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Originally Posted by Brian Shannon
HDMI carries both audio and video. You should be able to connect the video via HDMI to the display device and the audio to the receiver via fiber or coax. Check your owners manual on the player to verify.
If you do not need switching then your choice becomes easier.
If you do not need switching then your choice becomes easier.
To get 6.1 or 7.1 using the HD-DVD players DACs, HDMI is the only way to go. All HD-DVD players currently only support 5.1 analog out. I'm not even sure that any HD-DVDs have been released in 6.1 or 7.1 high-res audio...
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Originally Posted by BobDole42
For the new high-res audio formats available on HD-DVD (TrueHD, Dolby Digital Plus, etc.) HDMI or analog is the only way to go. Neither coax nor optical has the bandwidth to transmit the high-res formats. Almost all modern receivers have 7.1 analog inputs.
To get 6.1 or 7.1 using the HD-DVD players DACs, HDMI is the only way to go. All HD-DVD players currently only support 5.1 analog out. I'm not even sure that any HD-DVDs have been released in 6.1 or 7.1 high-res audio...
To get 6.1 or 7.1 using the HD-DVD players DACs, HDMI is the only way to go. All HD-DVD players currently only support 5.1 analog out. I'm not even sure that any HD-DVDs have been released in 6.1 or 7.1 high-res audio...
You're right - no HD DVDs support 6.1 or 7.1, but I have a few SD DVDs that do, and I'd like to be able to take advantage of them, while still avoiding that corner.
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Originally Posted by BobDole42
For the new high-res audio formats available on HD-DVD (TrueHD, Dolby Digital Plus, etc.) HDMI or analog is the only way to go. Neither coax nor optical has the bandwidth to transmit the high-res formats. Almost all modern receivers have 7.1 analog inputs.
To get 6.1 or 7.1 using the HD-DVD players DACs, HDMI is the only way to go. All HD-DVD players currently only support 5.1 analog out. I'm not even sure that any HD-DVDs have been released in 6.1 or 7.1 high-res audio...
To get 6.1 or 7.1 using the HD-DVD players DACs, HDMI is the only way to go. All HD-DVD players currently only support 5.1 analog out. I'm not even sure that any HD-DVDs have been released in 6.1 or 7.1 high-res audio...
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Originally Posted by Vipper II
Do you think this one will give me what I'm seeking? I know that some receivers w/HDMI only support video, and that's obviously not what I want.
You're right - no HD DVDs support 6.1 or 7.1, but I have a few SD DVDs that do, and I'd like to be able to take advantage of them, while still avoiding that corner.
You're right - no HD DVDs support 6.1 or 7.1, but I have a few SD DVDs that do, and I'd like to be able to take advantage of them, while still avoiding that corner.
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Originally Posted by Brian Shannon
Thanks Bob I did not know this. All the more reason for me not to upgrade anything!
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Okay, what's the deal with HDMI 1.3? What does it improve upon? Will people without it find themselves in less than stellar situations?
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There is a version of HDMI that can transfer some of the new audio. 1.2 or 1.2a can transfer LPCM, maybe DD+. But 1.3 is what you want to wait for if you are able/willing to wait; to give you TrueHD and DTS-HD compatibility.
Vipper,
You already have an HDDVD player. So you do not have HDMI 1.3. So unless you plan on upgrading the player, too, you don't need to wait for a compatible receiver. You should be fine with the Panny you linked, or another with a 5.1 analog input. That is the only way to easily get the old and new audio codecs working for you, through your analog output.
Bob,
It'll be an even longer wait for you, knowing your taste in processors. The high-end brands won't come out first.
Vipper,
You already have an HDDVD player. So you do not have HDMI 1.3. So unless you plan on upgrading the player, too, you don't need to wait for a compatible receiver. You should be fine with the Panny you linked, or another with a 5.1 analog input. That is the only way to easily get the old and new audio codecs working for you, through your analog output.
Bob,
It'll be an even longer wait for you, knowing your taste in processors. The high-end brands won't come out first.
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Originally Posted by Spiky
There is a version of HDMI that can transfer some of the new audio. 1.2 or 1.2a can transfer LPCM, maybe DD+. But 1.3 is what you want to wait for if you are able/willing to wait; to give you TrueHD and DTS-HD compatibility.
Vipper,
You already have an HDDVD player. So you do not have HDMI 1.3. So unless you plan on upgrading the player, too, you don't need to wait for a compatible receiver. You should be fine with the Panny you linked, or another with a 5.1 analog input. That is the only way to easily get the old and new audio codecs working for you, through your analog output.
Vipper,
You already have an HDDVD player. So you do not have HDMI 1.3. So unless you plan on upgrading the player, too, you don't need to wait for a compatible receiver. You should be fine with the Panny you linked, or another with a 5.1 analog input. That is the only way to easily get the old and new audio codecs working for you, through your analog output.
I'm having one of those days where I just can't seem to absorb information, so I apologize if I seem to be going in circles.
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Originally Posted by Spiky
Bob,
It'll be an even longer wait for you, knowing your taste in processors. The high-end brands won't come out first.
It'll be an even longer wait for you, knowing your taste in processors. The high-end brands won't come out first.
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Well, don't forget the most important thing about a surround receiver, the sound quality.
I'm a H/K pimp...love them. Yea, they don't have all the bells and whistles of some, but they sound awesome!
H/K is always my recommendation....
Other nice brands include Onkyo, Denon, Outlaw.
I'm a H/K pimp...love them. Yea, they don't have all the bells and whistles of some, but they sound awesome!
H/K is always my recommendation....
Other nice brands include Onkyo, Denon, Outlaw.
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Originally Posted by Vipper II
So the HD-A1 cannot pass DD+ and TrueHD though its current version of HDMI? Just analog?
I'm having one of those days where I just can't seem to absorb information, so I apologize if I seem to be going in circles.
I'm having one of those days where I just can't seem to absorb information, so I apologize if I seem to be going in circles.
That's correct. The HD-A1 cannot pass hi res audio over HDMI. Those of us with them will need to eventually upgrade our players if we want more than 5.1 channels of hi res audio.
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Originally Posted by Sdallnct
Well, don't forget the most important thing about a surround receiver, the sound quality.
I'm a H/K pimp...love them. Yea, they don't have all the bells and whistles of some, but they sound awesome!
H/K is always my recommendation....
Other nice brands include Onkyo, Denon, Outlaw.
I'm a H/K pimp...love them. Yea, they don't have all the bells and whistles of some, but they sound awesome!
H/K is always my recommendation....
Other nice brands include Onkyo, Denon, Outlaw.
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Originally Posted by Spiky
I want an Anthem or Outlaw or other preamp in this range. But none of these companies seem to have any plans to join up with the 21st century.