How do you have your X1 hooked up to both a DVD player AND HD? I recently got a progressive scan DVD player and Dish Network. Was going get a HD receiver, but wasn't sure how to hook both things up at once.

Was originally going to hook all thru a receiver with component switching, but if I run it through that it will not be HD anymore, will it?

I'm using a mechanical A/V selector. was an Idea and it worked. found out later many people use them. they work fine and have no degradation problems. $5 off ebay along time ago.

if your reciever has component switching it should be ok but it has to be able to handle HD at a cetain bandwidth (37mhz ?)

my simple A/V selector works great. 4 inputs one output. used the yellow video composite for green component, white audio for blue component and red audio for red component.

don't let anyone tell you different they work fine.

Interesting...you got a link or brand/model number? I think I know what you are talking about, but not 100% sure.

And if I wanted to control all audio AND video switching thru the receiver including HD signals, this is what I would look for in a receiver?

"You also get loads of inputs and outputs, including component video switching with 80MHz bandwidth for flawless HDTV transfer, 5 digital inputs, 5 A/V inputs, and more!"

80Mhz bandwidth won't give you flawless HDTV transfer, just FYI. It takes a bit more.

Like???? What should I look for????

I think the number is 137Mhz for HD.

http://www.maxim-ic.com/appnotes.cfm...mber/750/ln/en


Take a look at BW(-3B) Nominal for 0.5dB flatness (Mhz), and BW(-3B) Nominal for 0.1dB flatness (Mhz) for the transfer you're looking for.

For instance, for 720p (1280x720, progressive) and 1080i (1920x1080, interlaced), it's 111mhz for .5dB, and 255mhz for .1dB flatness.

OK, you guys are getting WAY to technical for me

What I'm looking for then is a not to expensive AV receiver with HD Component switching.

OR

A seperate HD component switcher. Tho I hate to get another item in my system since I will likely only hook up a Toshiba DVD progressive scan DVD player w/built in Tivo AND HD dish network receiver.

Well expect to spend at least a few hundred dollars for option one (true HD switching is still only in a bit more expensive receivers) and about $80 for option two.

OK, but the problem is folks are saying even tho it says "HD" it is not. For example, would the Onkyo 502 work? It says

HDTV-Ready Component Video Input/Output - and has a check

where as the the Onkyo 601 says;

HDTV-Ready Component Video Input/Output 2/1

I'm "guessing" that the 502 only has one HD component input where the 601 has 2 HD component inputs. But is this REALLY HD?

I don't mind getting a new receiver. And a refurbished 601 would be in my price range. I just replaced my really sucky old Sony with a H/K in my living room and love the H/K's power and sound. There mid-level receivers are a little more then what I wanted to spend.

Well found this at the Onkyo site regarding the 501

The TX-SR501 also boasts 50 MHz component video switching, allowing the receiver to switch high definition video signals without degrading video quality.

But chipmac says I need 137 MHz...this is what is comfusing me...

OK, found this regarding the Sunfire (tho way out of my price range and never been a Carver fan anyway),

Three 100MHz+ HDTV compatible wide-bandwidth component video inputs and two outputs

I'm not totally sure about the 137Mhz although that number sticks in my head but I do know that the number is over 100Mhz and that 50 won't cut it without PQ roll off. There are receivers and switchers that claim to be able to switch HD signals and they will but they don't tell you about the degradation in signal quality when they can't handle the bandwidth properly.

OK fair enough and I appreciate the help...can you give me model numbers of receivers that have over 100Mhz? Other then the Sunfire of course. It is just looking thru even some of the more expensive receivers (greater then $600) only show 50 or 80Mhz...

OK, here is a switcher that shows 120Mhz (it is Zektor unit)

4 Inputs, 1 Output Up to four sources of HD component video, and one outputs. Video performance at 37MHz is -0.3dB (avg. of all channels). -3dB bandwidth is over 120MHz.

A high end H/K unit (DPR 1001) states

Wideband, HDTV-Ready Component Video Switching 2 Inputs/1 output

So don't know if that works or not. But it is a "digital path receiver". Would that make a difference?

This new Yamaha (HTR 5790) states,

High Picture Quality

Component Video Up Conversion

HDTV (720p/1080i) Compatibility

Wide-Range Video Bandwidth (60MHz -3 dB)

So guess that doesn't cut it....

It's gonna cost you. 100Mhz of bandwidth has traditionally started at about the $1k price level of the receiver market. Most lower end receivers top out at 40Mhz. Onkyo has been an exception with 50Mhz in their last couple of models.

For passing HD signals without any problem you need around 100Mhz or so. Check out these two pages for more info:

http://www.zektor.com/support/componentvideo.htm

http://www.maxim-ic.com/appnotes.cfm...mber/750/ln/en (only if you love math. )

For a high bandwidth switch, a take a look at the Inday RGB4X-R. It's a $149, 4 into 1, remote equipped, 230Mhz bandwidth component switch:

http://www.inday.com/rgb4x/rgb4x.htm

Here's a review:

http://www.keohi.com/keohihdtv/inter...day/inday.html

The Inday one is very good, especially for the price.

Thanks guys...

While I don't like the idea of adding another component, it looks like I would come out way ahead $$ wise if I go the switcher rout. Especially since it looks fairly easy to add the switching to a universal remote....

What about cables? If I mount my projector to the ceiling I will need some really long cables to make it to my av system. Any suggestions on where I can buy these?

In 25 ft. length I found these, $70, $30, $126

http://www.cablestogo.com/product.as...2028&sku=29643

http://www.cablewholesale.com/catalo...onentvideo.htm

http://www.bluejeanscable.com/store/...nentprices.htm

Quite a range in price. Any suggestions or other recommendations?

Thanks Sdallnct!

I've also been reading over at AVS and there is one post over there where a guy tals about running RG6 cables and then capping them with RCA heads in order to make a component or composite cable. Has anyone here done this? Is there a loss in picture quality?

RG6 is very good, better than most of the cables out there. Even many boutique cables are RG59.

You do have to do a good job with the RCA's, of course, and make sure they're true 75ohm.

Sdallnct: no need to buy expensive stuff. personally I would not listen to these guys. I don't play the numvers game. let your eyes judge. If my eyes can't see it then I don't believe it. I tried with and without my $5 cheap RCA A/V selector and there was no difference.


Sdallnct: my model is a RCA A/V Selector and the model# is VH-911 . its a small little black box with 4 buttons on top and has 4 inputs and 1 output. use the reg yellow video and left and right red/white audio for component. yellow input plug in your green component. red audio input plug in your red component. white audio input plug in your blue component.

that easy!

walmart sells it for $17

I got mine on ebay for $5 shipped.

Thanks for the info. I might start with that and see what happens. A buddy of mine is coming in town in a week to help me build as much as possible in my media room. I really want to get everything up and running. Once I get it up and running, I can always play with things, try differnt components, etc.

And while I'm not trying to "skimp", I'm doing this on a budget (building my own screen, ceiling mount, riser, etc). So I like the idea of at least trying something cheaper 1st. There really is "no harm, no foul".

Thanks again

you got it bud!

here's a beer to cheap thinking. *cheers*