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Old 09-17-13, 10:08 PM
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Re: Ghost Rider #9 - #19: Jesus and Johnny Blaze?

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Doesn't "all non-artists" in Marvel's early history consist of Stan Lee and his brother?

I don't remember any Jewish references or characters in early Marvel. Do you have specific examples in mind? Even Ben Grimm wasn't explicitly revealed to be Jewish until about 10-15 years ago.
Read a book on the history of Marvel Comics, all the way through to the 1980s. Comic books were always a heavily Jewish-led industry based out of New York City, going all the way back to the 1940s. Check out this fine book:

http://amzn.com/0827608438

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Old 09-17-13, 10:12 PM
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Re: Ghost Rider #9 - #19: Jesus and Johnny Blaze?

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#1 above was written by Mike Barr and drawn by Jim Aparo as you note.

#2 was written by Paul Levitz and illustrated by Jose Luis Garcia Lopez. In particular, an angel comes to spare him from God's wrath, but he commits suicide. God therefore bars him from the afterlife.

#3 (the sci-fi one) was written by Dan Mishkin and illustrated by Pablo Marcos. He was basically the last survivor of the previous universe, and it's implied that when this universe ends, he will be the last survivor of this universe.

#4 was written by Alan Moore and illustrated by Joe Orlando. The Stranger is an angel who refuses to take sides in the war between God and Lucifer, and is thus not welcome in either Heaven or Hell.
Those are but a few possible glimpses at my origin...There are more things in heaven and earth, JasonF, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
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Old 09-17-13, 11:34 PM
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Re: Ghost Rider #9 - #19: Jesus and Johnny Blaze?

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Read a book on the history of Marvel Comics, all the way through to the 1980s. Comic books were always a heavily Jewish-led industry based out of New York City, going all the way back to the 1940s. Check out this fine book:

http://amzn.com/0827608438
Oh, I'm aware of the Jewish roots of the overwhelming majority of creators -- Jerry Siegel, Joe Shuster, Joe Simon, Jack Kirby (aka Jacob Kurtzberg), Stan Lee (aka Stanley Lieber), Gil Kane (aka Eli Katz), Will Eisner, Joe Kubert, Mort Weisinger, Julie Schwarz -- the list goes on and on. But what I was asking was:

a) how did that come across on the page in early Marvel, and
b) why did you single out the non-artists and/or were you trying to highlight some group distinct from "Stan Lee" by the way you phrased what you said?

Not trying to be confrontational or argumentative about this -- I just genuinely didn't understand the point you were making, and I don't really see any explicitly Jewish stuff on the pages of the comics.
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Re: Ghost Rider #9 - #19: Jesus and Johnny Blaze?

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Those are but a few possible glimpses at my origin...There are more things in heaven and earth, JasonF, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
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Old 09-18-13, 05:13 AM
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Re: Ghost Rider #9 - #19: Jesus and Johnny Blaze?

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Those are but a few possible glimpses at my origin...There are more things in heaven and earth, JasonF, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
At least until Dan Didio decided to give you a canon origin in the New 52...
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Re: Ghost Rider #9 - #19: Jesus and Johnny Blaze?

DC also published this. It's obviously slanted toward their Christian readers but their stories anyone can relate to. This is also Frank Miller's first Batman assignment.

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Re: Ghost Rider #9 - #19: Jesus and Johnny Blaze?

Perhaps their worry was making Jesus an in-canon character. I imagine a lot of Christians would be upset if someone portrayed Jesus in a mainstream comic in a way they didn't like.

If you're interested in Biblical characters in comics, Cain, Abel, Eve, and Lucifer all appear in Sandman. Lucifer even got his own excellent spin-off series.
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Re: Ghost Rider #9 - #19: Jesus and Johnny Blaze?

The Jesus: Armageddon 2001 Annual was the tits!!
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The Jesus: Armageddon 2001 Annual was the tits!!
That comic was canceled because it was leaked that Jesus was going to be Monarch's true identity. Then it was changed to Captain Atom, and that too was leaked. In the end, DC settled with Hawk as Monarch even though the Hawk and Dove annual clearly showed Hawk fighting against Monarch.
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Re: Ghost Rider #9 - #19: Jesus and Johnny Blaze?

Wasn't that the plot of an episode of The Venture Brothers?
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Re: Ghost Rider #9 - #19: Jesus and Johnny Blaze?

I liked it better when Jesus transported the giant squid into the heart of NY. That was cool.
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Old 09-19-13, 08:40 AM
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Re: Ghost Rider #9 - #19: Jesus and Johnny Blaze?

Or when Jesus sacrificed himself on the moon so the Dark Phoenix force would be destroyed forever...
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Re: Ghost Rider #9 - #19: Jesus and Johnny Blaze?

Or when there were hundreds of Jesus clones running around in the Jesus Clone Saga.
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Anyone know where the Adams artwork on the right is originally from?

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Action 402:

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^ I want that!
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Re: Ghost Rider #9 - #19: Jesus and Johnny Blaze?

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^ I want that!
That one's another fake, right? I thought I owned or at least had seen every DC Dollar Comic, but that looks new.
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Re: Ghost Rider #9 - #19: Jesus and Johnny Blaze?

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Action 402:

Thanks! I knew I've seen the artwork before but I couldn't place it.

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That one's another fake, right? I thought I owned or at least had seen every DC Dollar Comic, but that looks new.
It's real. Done by José Luis García-López. A really underrated artist from the 70's. Most of those Dollar Comic covers were done by Adams.
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Re: Ghost Rider #9 - #19: Jesus and Johnny Blaze?

October 1977 cover date. Found it at MyComicShop.com for $2.49 in GD/VG condition.
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Re: Ghost Rider #9 - #19: Jesus and Johnny Blaze?

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That one's another fake, right? I thought I owned or at least had seen every DC Dollar Comic, but that looks new.
http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/World's_Finest_Vol_1_247
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Re: Ghost Rider #9 - #19: Jesus and Johnny Blaze?

The sight of these Dollar Comics gives me the warm fuzzies.
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Re: Ghost Rider #9 - #19: Jesus and Johnny Blaze?

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It's real. Done by José Luis García-López. A really underrated artist from the 70's. Most of those Dollar Comic covers were done by Adams.
I love Jose Luis Garcia-Lopez's work. For me, when I think of the DC characters, I think of his version of the characters. In the 80s, he was the guy who did all their style guides for licensing and merchandising, so that's what the characters looked like.
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^ I want that!
I finally bought this issue earlier this year at WonderCon.

Onto a religious comic - A week ago, I found an old Spire book called The Cross and the Switchblade which is based on a book and a movie staring Pat Boone and a young Erik Estrada. A country preacher decides to go to the big city and preach the word of christ to some gang members.

The "And every piece will say I love you!" literally made me laugh out loud. I had to own the book after that.

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Re: Ghost Rider #9 - #19: Jesus and Johnny Blaze?

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I love Jose Luis Garcia-Lopez's work. For me, when I think of the DC characters, I think of his version of the characters. In the 80s, he was the guy who did all their style guides for licensing and merchandising, so that's what the characters looked like.
I actually think he's the definitive DC artist for many characters. When he was going good, Garcia-Lopez was like a more polished Neal Adams.
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