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Travis McClain 08-30-11 11:30 AM
Re: DC UNIVERSE Reboots in September, Same Day Digital Linewide
 
Originally Posted by fujishig (Post 10905456)
But hey, the Wasp. Zatanna and Electra, though those were ostensibly their real names and adding an 'a' at the end denotes female, at least in Latin.
I can't believe I overlooked Elektra! I'll give her and Zatanna a pass on the feminine "a" because it's far subtler than a name that includes either "girl" or "woman."

Originally Posted by PhantomStranger (Post 10905468)
"Gotham, bless my aim." That is some of the corniest dialogue ever written in a thought bubble. I still think DC wanted to wipe the Killing Joke from Barbara's history, but deemed it too politically sensitive to do that to a character that had become so identified with the handicapped community.
Yeah, I overlooked that line. Definitely a ding.

Not that DC asked me, but I think what they really should have considered doing is released at least a list of specific stories and events that are still in-canon for this relaunch. Maybe even issued a slate of specially marked trade paperbacks, like "History of the DCU" or something. Just something so that new readers or even reconnecting ones like me would know which back stories are dead ends (at the moment, anyway) and which ones are still relevant.

Better still, I wish DC had had the guts to go all the way and negate everything. Maybe keep something like Batman: Year One because, let's face it, it's hard to imagine an improvement on that specific part of Batman's story.

But, they didn't ask me. It'll be interesting to see over the next six to twelve months how many titles rehash old stuff, either through direct references or by trying to give us a 2.0 remake. Like I noted previously, Justice League #2 features Batman and Superman fighting one another and that couldn't be any less interesting to me in large part because it's been done before and no one since Frank Miller has done it as well as he did in Dark Knight. Supergirl is also fighting Superman in her second issue. Did they forget that DC also created a lot of villains over the years?

I feel like we already know what those stories are going to be like, because we've read issues in the past that were solicited the same damn way. Maybe not; maybe they've got something actually unique and new this time. But it damn sure doesn't feel like it right now.

By the way, is anyone going to a midnight event tonight? There appear to be none in my area, but I know there are several LCSes around the country that will be hosting special events for the release of Justice League #1 tonight. I'd go just to be around the atmosphere, really.

JasonF 08-30-11 11:31 AM
Re: DC UNIVERSE Reboots in September, Same Day Digital Linewide
 
Originally Posted by MinLShaw (Post 10905358)
Storm and Rogue are good examples; Phoenix was just Jean Grey, though, right? (Was there a separate Phoenix I don't recall?) Shadowcat would be another good one, and also another character who eventually just dropped the name entirely in favor of her real name.
The X-Men always played fast and loose with code names, particularly once Claremont came along. Jean Grey was intorduced in 1963 as Marvel Girl, and she stuck to that name pretty much until she turned into Phoenix in the llate 70s/early 80s. Then she used the Phoenix name until she died. Of course, throughout this time, her teammates often referred to her as Jean, just as they referred to Cyclops as Scott, Nightcrawler as Kurt, Storm as Ororo, etc.

A few years later, they brought in Rachel Summers (the child of Scott and Jean from an alternate future), and she used the name Phoenix. Then a few years after that, they brought Jean back in X-Factor as Marvel Girl. By the time they merged X-Factor and X-Men with the launch of the Jim Lee X-Men #1, Jean was pretty much always being called Jean.

Since they killed off Jean Grey (for the second time), I think Rachel Summers has started using the Marvel Girl name.

JasonF 08-30-11 11:36 AM
Re: DC UNIVERSE Reboots in September, Same Day Digital Linewide
 
Originally Posted by Gamblor187 (Post 10905591)
Justice League Dark - I'm a longtime fan of John Constantine/Hellblazer. Also love the Vertigo version of Shade the Changing Man and have a unexplained fondness for Deadman. There's no way I can pass this up. Peter Milligan has done some great stuff. Unfortunately, he's done his fair share of mediocre and just plain bad stuff. I'm interested enough to see how this turns out, but I won't stay around long if it disappoints.
I tried the first issue of Milligan's Shade the Changing Man Flashpoint book and I thought it was terrible, so that's keeping me away from this book. If it gets good buzz, though, I'll definitely pick it up.

Animal Man - I like the character, but has there been a worthwhile Animal Man story since way back when my nemesis Grant Morrisson was writing it?
I thought the Veitch and Delano runs that followed Morrison were pretty good, though not in the same league as the Morrison run. Then again, I think Animal Man was the best thing Morrison has done in his entire career.

Travis McClain 08-30-11 11:37 AM
Re: DC UNIVERSE Reboots in September, Same Day Digital Linewide
 
Originally Posted by JasonF (Post 10906161)
The X-Men always played fast and loose with code names, particularly once Claremont came along. Jean Grey was intorduced in 1963 as Marvel Girl, and she stuck to that name pretty much until she turned into Phoenix in the llate 70s/early 80s. Then she used the Phoenix name until she died. Of course, throughout this time, her teammates often referred to her as Jean, just as they referred to Cyclops as Scott, Nightcrawler as Kurt, Storm as Ororo, etc.

A few years later, they brought in Rachel Summers (the child of Scott and Jean from an alternate future), and she used the name Phoenix. Then a few years after that, they brought Jean back in X-Factor as Marvel Girl. By the time they merged X-Factor and X-Men with the launch of the Jim Lee X-Men #1, Jean was pretty much always being called Jean.

Since they killed off Jean Grey (for the second time), I think Rachel Summers has started using the Marvel Girl name.
X-Men history/continuity makes my head hurt. It should be an upper level college program unto its own.

Travis McClain 08-30-11 11:43 AM
Re: DC UNIVERSE Reboots in September, Same Day Digital Linewide
 
So I just had the following exchange on Twitter with Gail Simone:

@GailSimone I know everyone is tired of hype. But Batwoman is just a thing of beauty. The art is positively sublime. GET THIS BOOK.

@TravisSMcClain Yeah, but *all* the art so far looks great. What we wanna know is: how are the stories? 'Cause "Justice League" looks thin.

@GailSimone I actually have not read the Justice League books yet, except JLDark. I've only been reading a couple a day, to absorb them.

@TravisSMcClain I'm trying to decide whether to take a chance on either JLD or Suicide Squad. Lemme know when you get to SS!

@GailSimone That is a judgment call...JLDark is a great deal of fun, I was surprised how much I liked it.
Of course, she may like it for reasons that you or I would be indifferent or even dislike it, but I believe I'm not alone in being curious about Justice League Dark so I thought I'd share that.

kgrogers1979 08-30-11 11:44 AM
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“It came with him from his home planet and is indestructible,” he says. “No one’s depicted it as a security blanket before, protecting him from all harm.
So they are turning Superman into Linus from Peanuts...

Since when does a 20+ year old guy need a security blanket? Does he still think girls have cooties too?

Also, his suit being made from indestructible fibers that came with him in the ship has been done before. The only thing that nobody has ever truly depicted is Superman as Linus.

fujishig 08-30-11 12:00 PM
Re: DC UNIVERSE Reboots in September, Same Day Digital Linewide
 
Originally Posted by MinLShaw (Post 10906160)

Better still, I wish DC had had the guts to go all the way and negate everything. Maybe keep something like Batman: Year One because, let's face it, it's hard to imagine an improvement on that specific part of Batman's story.

But, they didn't ask me. It'll be interesting to see over the next six to twelve months how many titles rehash old stuff, either through direct references or by trying to give us a 2.0 remake. Like I noted previously, Justice League #2 features Batman and Superman fighting one another and that couldn't be any less interesting to me in large part because it's been done before and no one since Frank Miller has done it as well as he did in Dark Knight. Supergirl is also fighting Superman in her second issue. Did they forget that DC also created a lot of villains over the years?

I feel like we already know what those stories are going to be like, because we've read issues in the past that were solicited the same damn way. Maybe not; maybe they've got something actually unique and new this time. But it damn sure doesn't feel like it right now.
To be fair, Justice League takes place in the past, when the League first formed, so that's probably why there's a rehash. And they pretty much did reinvent Supergirl from scratch, she is nothing like any other incarnation of the character, and in some ways is the polar opposite of the pre-Crisis Supergirl... with her backstory of not being fond of humanity, a confrontation like that probably makes sense.

I'm actually glad they didn't go out and tell you which trades are still in continuity, because as others have said before you still have to pick and choose stuff from there. Death of Supes is supposedly in continuity, but if you read the story Lois is married to Clark. I agree that it would have been better for them to start fresh if they were going to do this at all, since it is going to be confusing, and somewhere along the line writers are going to get nostalgic and either make nods to classic continuity or blatantly redo the same stories to pander to the fans. Not that I don't enjoy that, but it will happen. Look at the Ultimate Marvel Universe, where pretty much everyone did wink-wink connections to the main universe, or did the opposite out of some sense of irony, so that it got so bogged down in it's own continuity that it had to be rebooted. Look at post-Crisis DC, where slowly but surely they erased every single thing that Crisis brought about, bringing back the multiverse and Superman as a boy and everything else. Look at the post Zero-Hour "Archie" Legion, which couldn't help but retell classic Legion stories with a new twist until they were replaced too.

I think they tried to just create an alternate universe where creators could tell good stories without being dragged down by continuity. That's kinda what the All-Star lineup was. That's also what Earth Two seemed to be. But it didn't make as big of a splash as this did. And they got caught in a tough position, because they couldn't just trash their top selling Batman and GL books. So the compromised, and we'll see where that gets us.

As an aside, Brian Hibbs put up a new Tilting at Windmills column about the comixology storefront deal with comic stores... he's not happy.
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?p...ticle&id=34091

Travis McClain 08-30-11 03:18 PM
Re: DC UNIVERSE Reboots in September, Same Day Digital Linewide
 
I'm working on my final post form my blog offering an overview of the New 52 and I've encountered what may be the most boneheaded thing in the entire damn relaunch. Here's the solicitation text for Stormwatch #1:

Directly following the ominous events of SUPERMAN #1, Adam One leads half the Stormwatch team to recover the [INFORMATION REDACTED] from deep in the Himalayas. Meanwhile, Jack Hawksmoor and the rest of the Stormwatch crew look to recruit two of the deadliest super humans on the planet: Midnighter and Apollo! And if they say no? Perhaps the Martian Manhunter can change their minds…
Fine and dandy, right? Except Stormwatch comes out 9/7 and Superman doesn't come out until 9/28! Seriously, no one thought about that when scheduling this stuff?

PhantomStranger 08-30-11 05:07 PM
Re: DC UNIVERSE Reboots in September, Same Day Digital Linewide
 
Originally Posted by kgrogers1979 (Post 10906184)
So they are turning Superman into Linus from Peanuts...

Since when does a 20+ year old guy need a security blanket? Does he still think girls have cooties too?

Also, his suit being made from indestructible fibers that came with him in the ship has been done before. The only thing that nobody has ever truly depicted is Superman as Linus.
It makes sense to use it in some form as a hero if the cape truly is indestructible. I like the reversion back to the Silver Age version in that regard. It became utterly ridiculous since Byrne that the costume would get torn to shreds in almost every single battle. Was there one battle in the past thirty years where the costume remained intact? It was a cheap artistic crutch for every artist to show Superman wearing an obliterated costume.

Travis McClain 08-30-11 05:48 PM
Re: DC UNIVERSE Reboots in September, Same Day Digital Linewide
 
Originally Posted by PhantomStranger (Post 10906570)
It makes sense to use it in some form as a hero if the cape truly is indestructible. I like the reversion back to the Silver Age version in that regard. It became utterly ridiculous since Byrne that the costume would get torn to shreds in almost every single battle. Was there one battle in the past thirty years where the costume remained intact? It was a cheap artistic crutch for every artist to show Superman wearing an obliterated costume.
I dunno; I think there comes a point where it seems ridiculous for the guy to be thrown through skyscrapers and his clothes not be tattered. It looks good on a cover or in a splash page, anyway. It does get a little out of hand, like old Star Trek episodes where they used the flimsiest excuse to rip Shatner's shirt open.

I'm looking over the forthcoming issues and such and here's what I see:

First of all, I should add Men of War to my Maybe list. It's Sgt. Rock, and the premise sounds good enough to me. I might check it out.

Secondly, in just the first three issues, here are the following hero-on-hero showcase bouts:

Batgirl #3 - Batgirl vs. Nightwing
Captain Atom #3 - Captain Atom vs. The Flash*
Catwoman #2 - Catwoman vs. Batman*
Justice League #2 - Batman vs. Superman
Red Hood and the Outlaws #3 - It appears the team is fighting other versions of themselves, maybe?
Supergirl #2 - Supergirl vs. Superman
Voodoo #3 - Voodoo vs. Kyle Rayner

*The solicitation text only suggests they're rivals, but clearly the guest hero is an antagonist for the purpose of the issue.

That's not counting team books where conflict is written into the group dynamics, such as Green Lantern: New Guardians or Teen Titans (issue #3 solicitation suggests Superboy is initially at odds with the team). I admit, though, there are some mighty fine looking covers in all this. All three issues of All-Star Western, Batgirl, Batwoman, Catwoman and Men of War look good to me. The Flash #3 is cool looking, and I like Green Lantern Corps #3, too. DC Universe Presents #2 is trippy!

fujishig 08-30-11 06:43 PM
Re: DC UNIVERSE Reboots in September, Same Day Digital Linewide
 
Originally Posted by PhantomStranger (Post 10906570)
It makes sense to use it in some form as a hero if the cape truly is indestructible. I like the reversion back to the Silver Age version in that regard. It became utterly ridiculous since Byrne that the costume would get torn to shreds in almost every single battle. Was there one battle in the past thirty years where the costume remained intact? It was a cheap artistic crutch for every artist to show Superman wearing an obliterated costume.
Isn't it easier to draw stuff without rips and tears?

I thought the Byrne revision was that he had some kind of small force field that made his costume nigh indestructible but that it didn't extend to his cape, which is why it was always torn and destroyed. I thought that was a cool revelation back in the day. I also liked that they depowered him. Of course, now he needs Kryptonian armor and a security blanket/cape.

JasonF 08-30-11 08:49 PM
Re: DC UNIVERSE Reboots in September, Same Day Digital Linewide
 
Originally Posted by fujishig (Post 10906704)
Isn't it easier to draw stuff without rips and tears?
Yes, but it's easier to draw a torn cape than it is to draw a pained and anguished expression on Superman's cape.

kgrogers1979 08-30-11 10:07 PM
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Well I just read Justice League #1. That was a whole lot of absolutely nothing.

Spoiler:

It begins with Batman chasing a parademon across some rooftops.
Police helicopter chases them both.
Hal appears and meets Batman.
Hal tells Batman about there being hundreds of Lanterns and about the Corps and that he had detected an alien presence (the parademon) and had come to invesigate.
Batman is like "yeah uh huh whatever you say."
Parademon turns into some kind of spider thing and they chase it into the sewers.
Batman steals Hal's ring without Hal noticing. A bunch of pointless Bat-dick crap.
Parademon martyrs himself by blowing up and shouts "For Darkseid!"
Hal comments "For Dark Side? What is that? A band?" Lame joke is lame.
Hal attempts to identity the parademon's remains, but the ring just says "unable to identity" and Hal is like "How is that possible? The guardians know everything."
Batman suggests it must be connected to that alien Superman. Wait a minute. I thought you didn't believe in aliens not even five minutes ago when you were rolling your eyes at Hal's lesson on the Green Lantern Corps. First issue isn't even over and already an inconsistency...
Cut to Vic pre-Cyborg playing football. Several scouts want to recruit him, but Vic is just sad his father is not there.
Cut back to Hal and Bruce who fly to Metropolis in a green jet construct.
They find some building with a hole in the wall and Hal somehow figures Superman is in there.
Superman then flies out and knocks out Hal with one punch.
End.
Next issue: Superman vs Batman.

Yawn. That was an incredibly boring issue. Not a good way to start the DcnU at all.

stingermck 08-30-11 11:09 PM
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JLA 2 Inks

http://dcu.blog.dccomics.com/files/2...leagueinks.jpg

stingermck 08-30-11 11:14 PM
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Originally Posted by kgrogers1979 (Post 10906961)
Well I just read Justice League #1. That was a whole lot of absolutely nothing.

Spoiler:

It begins with Batman chasing a parademon across some rooftops.
Police helicopter chases them both.
Hal appears and meets Batman.
Hal tells Batman about there being hundreds of Lanterns and about the Corps and that he had detected an alien presence (the parademon) and had come to invesigate.
Batman is like "yeah uh huh whatever you say."
Parademon turns into some kind of spider thing and they chase it into the sewers.
Batman steals Hal's ring without Hal noticing. A bunch of pointless Bat-dick crap.
Parademon martyrs himself by blowing up and shouts "For Darkseid!"
Hal comments "For Dark Side? What is that? A band?" Lame joke is lame.
Hal attempts to identity the parademon's remains, but the ring just says "unable to identity" and Hal is like "How is that possible? The guardians know everything."
Batman suggests it must be connected to that alien Superman. Wait a minute. I thought you didn't believe in aliens not even five minutes ago when you were rolling your eyes at Hal's lesson on the Green Lantern Corps. First issue isn't even over and already an inconsistency...
Cut to Vic pre-Cyborg playing football. Several scouts want to recruit him, but Vic is just sad his father is not there.
Cut back to Hal and Bruce who fly to Metropolis in a green jet construct.
They find some building with a hole in the wall and Hal somehow figures Superman is in there.
Superman then flies out and knocks out Hal with one punch.
End.
Next issue: Superman vs Batman.

Yawn. That was an incredibly boring issue. Not a good way to start the DcnU at all.
CBR agrees http://www.comicbookresources.com/?p...review&id=3854

The Valeyard 08-31-11 12:19 AM
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"One punch!"

R.I.P. Modern Era DCU (July 1986 to August 2011).

You will be missed....

http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/...x/3e14279b.png

Josh-da-man 08-31-11 04:19 AM
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Originally Posted by JasonF (Post 10906161)
The X-Men always played fast and loose with code names, particularly once Claremont came along. Jean Grey was intorduced in 1963 as Marvel Girl, and she stuck to that name pretty much until she turned into Phoenix in the llate 70s/early 80s. Then she used the Phoenix name until she died. Of course, throughout this time, her teammates often referred to her as Jean, just as they referred to Cyclops as Scott, Nightcrawler as Kurt, Storm as Ororo, etc.

A few years later, they brought in Rachel Summers (the child of Scott and Jean from an alternate future), and she used the name Phoenix. Then a few years after that, they brought Jean back in X-Factor as Marvel Girl. By the time they merged X-Factor and X-Men with the launch of the Jim Lee X-Men #1, Jean was pretty much always being called Jean.

Since they killed off Jean Grey (for the second time), I think Rachel Summers has started using the Marvel Girl name.
I don't think Jean herself ever actually used the name "Phoenix" until the middle Grant Morrison's run, did she?

The original Phoenix (from Uncanny X-Men #101-137) wasn't actually Jean Grey, but rather the "Phoenix" using her appearance and memories. The real Jean Grey was in a cocoon at the bottom of the ocean.

Not sure I remember Jean going by "Marvel Girl" in the X-Factor comics, though she could have.

Hrm... I vaguely recall the "Adventures of Cyclops and Phoenix" miniseries from 1995-ish, though, where Scott and Jean traveled to the future to raise Cable of something... don't know if she was going by "Phoenix" then or if they just used that for the title.

kgrogers1979 08-31-11 08:25 AM
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Flashpoint #5 was a lot better than Justice League #1.

Spoiler:

The end of Flashpoint did lead straight into the DCnU. Barry runs through the timestream attempting to fix things, and he ends up in the DCnU. Although he somehow didn't realize that he didn't fix it. When he meets Batman in the end, Batman is clearly wearing the DCnU costume and Barry doesn't notice any difference. Eh whatever.

At least it was left open so that if the DCnU flops they could just have Barry run again to bring back the old DCU.

The ending was pretty emotional. Thomas gave Barry a letter to give to Bruce. Bruce cried when he read it.

Wolf359 08-31-11 08:51 AM
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Can anyone tell me how DCBS operates? I thought all 52 were coming out at once. :sad:


They charged me in full two weeks ago. Do they ship weekly or once a month when all titles are released?

madcougar 08-31-11 09:03 AM
Re: DC UNIVERSE Reboots in September, Same Day Digital Linewide
 
Originally Posted by kgrogers1979 (Post 10907301)
Flashpoint #5 was a lot better than Justice League #1.

Spoiler:

The end of Flashpoint did lead straight into the DCnU. Barry runs through the timestream attempting to fix things, and he ends up in the DCnU. Although he somehow didn't realize that he didn't fix it. When he meets Batman in the end, Batman is clearly wearing the DCnU costume and Barry doesn't notice any difference. Eh whatever.

At least it was left open so that if the DCnU flops they could just have Barry run again to bring back the old DCU.

The ending was pretty emotional. Thomas gave Barry a letter to give to Bruce. Bruce cried when he read it.
Spoiler:
I actaully said that in 12 months, DC could conveniently go back to the classic universe if this doesn't work out. The best thing is, they can keep any of the new stuff that does work out.

madcougar 08-31-11 09:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Wolf359 (Post 10907334)
Can anyone tell me how DCBS operates? I thought all 52 were coming out at once. :sad:


They charged me in full two weeks ago. Do they ship weekly or once a month when all titles are released?
It depends on what kind of shipping option you chose chief. If you chose once a month shipping, you will get your books the first week of October. If you chose weekly, then you'll get them early next week. Check your invoice to see what you are paying for.

Wolf359 08-31-11 09:10 AM
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For that 52 #1 package they didn't offer me a choice, it was $6.25 shipping charge. I hope they come at once.

stingermck 08-31-11 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Wolf359 (Post 10907365)
For that 52 #1 package they didn't offer me a choice, it was $6.25 shipping charge. I hope they come at once.
They will. For future reference at the top of the checkout page you can select different shipping options. You can also email them to make changes to shipping if needed.

Wolf359 08-31-11 09:38 AM
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Thanks for the help, but I'm still not seeing a choice. I guess I'll email them.

I put in another test order, just to be sure and it just defaults to a flat $6.95 shipping charge with no way to change it.

I'm just excited to read these.

Gamblor187 08-31-11 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by JasonF (Post 10906172)
I tried the first issue of Milligan's Shade the Changing Man Flashpoint book and I thought it was terrible, so that's keeping me away from this book. If it gets good buzz, though, I'll definitely pick it up.
This brings up something that concerns me about the book. John Constantine and Shade both seem to be more recognized as Vertigo characters, even if they didn't start out that way. So how will integrating them into the regular DC Universe work? Do they ignore the Vertigo stuff with Shade? And what about Constantine? Hellblazer is still being published and nearing its 300th issue. That's a whole lot of continuity. And though JLA Dark will be one of DC's darker titles, I can't imagine it being nearly as dark as Hellblazer.

And Milligan's current run has been a mixed bag, so it doesn't exactly fill me with confidence.



I thought the Veitch and Delano runs that followed Morrison were pretty good, though not in the same league as the Morrison run. Then again, I think Animal Man was the best thing Morrison has done in his entire career.
I've read a bit of the Veitch and Milligan runs on Animal Man and they were fine but forgettable. But when they made him a Vertigo character, it just became a monthly PETA/Meat is Murder campaign.

I agree that Animal Man is Morrison's best work. I also enjoyed his JLA run, though I haven't read it since the issues were first published. Arkham Asylum is good, but Dave McKean's art is what makes it special in my book.

I hated his Doom Patrol. The Invisibles started off okay and quickly became tiresome. I seem to be in the minority, but I thought WE3 was mediocre and All Star Superman spotty, at best. Batman:WTF and Final Crisis were incoherent messes.

Morrison does have some good ideas, but I usually fing him lacking in executing them in an entertaining and coherent fashion.


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