Captain America, Back from the Dead (sort of)
 

Heard this on Morning Edition (NPR) as I came into work this morning:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...oryId=18520433

******* THERE ARE SPOILERS AS TO WHO IT IS IN THIS ARTICLE ********

There's a link to a page from the book in the link above.

Here's the page...

The only character who stayed dead while I was reading superhero comics was Robin (Jason Todd). All the rest came back.

Bad news there, Nick ...

:lol: At least Uncle Ben is still dead.

And so are Bruce Wayne's parents.

Really the only people that stay dead in comics are the parents/guardians of the superhero. Although they did try to change that with the Spider-man clone saga that almost brought back Peter's parents.

... and Gwen Stacey, unfortunately, turns out she's a whore.

Quesada was on Colbert last night talking about Captain America.

Luckily, he didn't request Cap's shield be returned now that there's a new user for it. ;)

There are two ways to look at that:

1. Pretend the Sins Past story never happened.

2. One More Day made it so Sins Past never happened.

Hey, Thunderbird stayed dead (except for alternate reality stuff). Of course, Warpath is pretty much the same thing.

On the DC side, I don't think they ever really brought Barry Allen back, so that remains as one of the biggest deaths-that-stuck-so-far. And of course they didn't really bring the REAL Supergirl back.

I thought Peter David handled the issue pretty well when he had Siren react to Banshee's death in X-factor...

Well, the character is coming back, but Steve Rogers is staying dead.

... and for the record, I hated Bucky then... and I still hate Bucky now. ;)

Is John Walker (US Agent) still around? I am really enjoying the whole Bucky/Winter Soldier storyline, but I wouldn't mind seeing Brubaker bring the ol' psycho back to pitchfork a few more Watchdogs to death.

US Agent is in Omage Flight, the new Alpha flight.

I thought the issue was great. Passing the torch to Bucky was smooth and really, the whole run of captain america has been great even after steve died. Great job on ed's part.

To me, it felt like we missed an issue between the last issue and this issue.

I agree. But Brubaker still rocks.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_Todd

They did briefly come back but it turned out they were robots. Yay for Marvel.

Not a surprise at all that Bucky is the new Cap - Brubaker has clearly been setting him up to take over the mantle almost since he started writing the title. Even so, I still enjoyed the hell out of this issue. I hope Brubaker writes this title indefinitely because you know that as soon as he's off the book Marvel will bring back Steve Rogers from the dead.

I havent been to a comic shop (do DCBS still) - did the media attention create a run on the issue like the Death issue?

Not really, because it wasn't a surprise like his death was. Retailers knew about this (the book had been building to this for months - no one was caught off-guard) and ordered appropriately, unlike the death issue, which no one expected and was severely under-ordered.

My LCS had stacks of copies, so I don't see anything like last years debacle happening.

Barry's back. In the last arc of Justice League Legion came about to capture lightning in a rod, they brought back both Wally and Barry. Only Barry's stuck in a rod now.

:confused: What?

I'm just waiting for them to bring back Jean Grey.....AGAIN

Better'n having a rod stuck in ya, I always say.

I remember thinking the new costume design was pretty crappy, but it actually kind of works.

I'm over Brubaker's Cap, but I'm glad to see the title still getting attention.

All happened during the Lightning Saga.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lightning_Saga

In it, they brought back Wally and Family as well as Legion walking away with a rod that had Barry stuck in it with some off hand remark that they need him for the future.

Doh!

Does that mean my issues of Rick Veitch's Bratpack are now obsolete?

About Superman's "death:" That's a commonly stated thing, but it is entirely untrue. I used to frequent a comic store in San Francisco called "Comics Experience" (or maybe "Comix Experience") owned by a guy named Brian Hibbs, who is (was? I don't know, it's been many years...) a somewhat famous (infamous?) comics retailer.

He always kept the press releases out so that visitors to the shop could peruse them so they could see what the companies were planning on releasing. Usually only DC and Marvel had press releases, but so did Valiant, at the time, and maybe I saw a few things from Image or Malibu, too, during the couple of years I lived near there and frequented the store.

Sometime in the beginning of 1992, probably about 6-7 months before "The Death of Superman," there was a massive press release from DC in the form of a binder that showed all the new books DC was working on, as well as some upcoming covers of continuing titles, etc. The NAME of the binder was: 1992: The Year Superman Dies. (Or maybe: 1992: This is the Year Superman Dies; I just remember the date-colon-..."Year Superman Dies.")

And in the section about the Superman books was a detailed listing of the upcoming overall timeline of the story (without specific details like how he would die, or the fact that he would come back afterwards), including the fact that Superman would die in issue #75, and a strong urge from DC for retailers to not underorder because they planned a media blitz. There was also, in the binder, if I remember correctly, information that said the battle between Superman and an "unnamed villain" would rampage through "all the DC titles"--or maybe "the whole DC Universe." So I think the original plan was to have it be more of a major crossover, instead of just the one issue of JLA. Or maybe it was just like an "it will be FELT throughout the whole DC Universe" kind of thing.

I know this is in direct contradiction to claims that I have heard since then from DC people (including recently on the extra feature on the Superman Doomsday DVD) about them being so "unprepared" for the media attention and how retailers were so "surprised." I think retailers were just surprised by the actual level of media attention--not the fact that it was happening. I literally saw the binder and read the press release. When, months later, I could pre-order the issues involved, I pre-ordered extra copies of Man of Steel #17 because it was the first appearance (kind of) of Doomsday, and then I also pre-ordered a bunch of extra copies of Superman #75, as well as some extras of the issues leading up to it, so I could give them to friends. (I never tried to sell them.) I still have 3 or 4 copies of #75 boxed up somewhere. I think they're possibly worth the original cover price now, at best.

You mean Superman #75 WON'T put my kid through college?

;)

:hscratch:

What made you bring all that up? I was talking about Captain America's death issue #25 (you know, the title of this thread), and not Superman. CA's death took everyone by surprise. Like you said, everyone knew about Superman's "death" months before the first issue of "Doomsday". No one was debating that.

Wow! Yeah, that was stupid of me! Sorry for derailing the discussion!

After reading your comment, I went back and looked, and I honestly don't know how I read that differently the first time. I can only guess that I was thinking about the Death of Cap and the Death of Superman stories, and somehow my brain filled in the blanks that weren't there. I honestly thought I saw "the Death of Superman issue" in the post immediatly prior to yours, and not just "the Death issue," and then read your post COMPLETELY differently, assigning the pronouns to refer to different things.

Wow. Getting older, maybe. Embarrassing. Sorry again!

Back to Cap...I, for one, absolutely HATE the new (cumbersome-looking) costume design. Ultimate CA rules; the other Cap drools.

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So Captain America Reborn is out. I saw it at my LCS today, but did not purchase, since it was $4.

But wiki provides the story for free:



Oh boy...that's something. And Final Crisis did it 1st.

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Actually, Brubaker had planned this back before Cap#50, which is when he was shot, so Final Crisis did it 2nd.

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True, but Final Crisis came out 1st. (and it was Cap #25)

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oops, yeah, I meant #25. So I guess when Final Crisis came out people over at Marvel were all "hey! That was our idea with Cap!" They just hadn't revealed it. "Killing" off Batman was just to make DC characters think he was dead, not the readers, so they showed what happened to Bruce Wayne. Cap's "death", besides keeping him out of World War Hulk and Invasion, was to also make readers think he was dead, so they couldn't show what really happened.

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yeah I was just teasing about FC doing it first. I just think a time gun in this story line is lame :lol:

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Glad to hear good ol Steve Rogers is coming back.

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There can only be one Cap, and it's Steve.

I was hoping they would bring him back by showing Scarlet Witch had manipulated everyone into thinking her powers were gone and she orchestrated his faked death to mind-wipe him and have him living with her raising her phantom kids.