Go Back  DVD Talk Forum > Entertainment Discussions > Comic Book Talk
Reload this Page >

Captain America, Back from the Dead (sort of)

Comic Book Talk The Place to talk about Comics

Captain America, Back from the Dead (sort of)

Old 01-30-08, 08:16 AM
  #1  
DVD Talk Legend
Thread Starter
 
Goldberg74's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 1999
Location: San Antonio, TX
Posts: 16,822
Likes: 0
Received 7 Likes on 6 Posts
Captain America, Back from the Dead (sort of)

Heard this on Morning Edition (NPR) as I came into work this morning:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...oryId=18520433

******* THERE ARE SPOILERS AS TO WHO IT IS IN THIS ARTICLE ********

Morning Edition, January 30, 2008 In the alternate universe of comic books, there's a crisis brewing between the U.S. and Russia. America is being threatened by a former Soviet general and his Nazi partner. Sounds like a job for Captain America.

But Captain America died last year, shot by assassins on the steps of the federal courthouse in New York City.

On Wednesday, a new issue of Captain America hits comic book stores and with it comes a new Captain America. It's not the same character ... he's still dead. But the comic didn't die with him.

Ed Brubaker writes Captain America for Marvel Comics. For the past year, his stories have been about the loss of Steve Rogers, aka Captain America or "Cap," and about the search for his killer. One particular character has featured in many of those tales Captain America's oldest friend, James "Bucky" Barnes.

"Bucky is kind of a very conflicted character who's trying to find some redemption, and his closest friend is basically taken away from him before he can really reconcile with him," Brubaker says.

Bucky and Captain America fought against the Nazis and the Japanese in World War II. According to Marvel Comics lore, both disappeared in the final days of the war.

This is where it starts to get complicated.

Steve Rogers (Captain America) was found frozen in ice in the mid-1960s and revived to become an American hero, thwarting villains with his signature Shield.

Bucky was also found frozen, but he was revived by the Soviets, who turned him into an evil killer known as The Winter Soldier. This character is now, once again, a good guy, but he's no Boy Scout. Unlike the modern version of Captain America, Bucky carries a gun.

Brubaker says he wasn't trying to stir controversy by adding this element to the Captain America character. But he says criticism comes with the territory when you're writing the adventures of an American icon.

"All liberals want Captain America to be standing on a soapbox outside the White House bashing President Bush," Brubaker says. "All right-wingers want Captain America to be ... over in Afghanistan punching Osama in the face," just like in the first issue, when he was smacking Hitler, the writer says.
There's a link to a page from the book in the link above.

Last edited by Goldberg74; 01-30-08 at 08:18 AM.
Old 01-30-08, 08:20 AM
  #2  
DVD Talk Legend
Thread Starter
 
Goldberg74's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 1999
Location: San Antonio, TX
Posts: 16,822
Likes: 0
Received 7 Likes on 6 Posts
Here's the page...

Spoiler:
Old 01-30-08, 09:10 AM
  #3  
DVD Talk Legend
 
Nick Danger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Albuquerque
Posts: 23,166
Received 41 Likes on 29 Posts
The only character who stayed dead while I was reading superhero comics was Robin (Jason Todd). All the rest came back.
Old 01-30-08, 10:09 AM
  #4  
DVD Talk Legend
 
Bronkster's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: AnaheimLand, SoCal
Posts: 16,183
Likes: 0
Received 6 Likes on 6 Posts
Originally Posted by Nick Danger
The only character who stayed dead while I was reading superhero comics was Robin (Jason Todd). All the rest came back.
Bad news there, Nick ...
Old 01-30-08, 10:17 AM
  #5  
DVD Talk Gold Edition
 
Graftenberg's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: sector 2814
Posts: 2,022
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Bronkster
Bad news there, Nick ...

At least Uncle Ben is still dead.
Old 01-30-08, 10:42 AM
  #6  
Banned
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 6,584
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Graftenberg
At least Uncle Ben is still dead.
And so are Bruce Wayne's parents.

Really the only people that stay dead in comics are the parents/guardians of the superhero. Although they did try to change that with the Spider-man clone saga that almost brought back Peter's parents.
Old 01-30-08, 10:59 AM
  #7  
DVD Talk Hero
 
slop101's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: So. Cal.
Posts: 40,667
Received 13 Likes on 11 Posts
... and Gwen Stacey, unfortunately, turns out she's a whore.
Old 01-30-08, 11:02 AM
  #8  
DVD Talk Legend
 
Chew's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 1999
Location: South of Titletown
Posts: 18,628
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Quesada was on Colbert last night talking about Captain America.

Luckily, he didn't request Cap's shield be returned now that there's a new user for it.
Old 01-30-08, 11:04 AM
  #9  
Banned
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 6,584
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by slop101
... and Gwen Stacey, unfortunately, turns out she's a whore.
There are two ways to look at that:

1. Pretend the Sins Past story never happened.

2. One More Day made it so Sins Past never happened.
Old 01-30-08, 11:46 AM
  #10  
DVD Talk Hero
 
Join Date: Aug 1999
Posts: 28,878
Received 60 Likes on 50 Posts
Hey, Thunderbird stayed dead (except for alternate reality stuff). Of course, Warpath is pretty much the same thing.

On the DC side, I don't think they ever really brought Barry Allen back, so that remains as one of the biggest deaths-that-stuck-so-far. And of course they didn't really bring the REAL Supergirl back.

I thought Peter David handled the issue pretty well when he had Siren react to Banshee's death in X-factor...
Old 01-30-08, 03:06 PM
  #11  
DVD Talk Legend
Thread Starter
 
Goldberg74's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 1999
Location: San Antonio, TX
Posts: 16,822
Likes: 0
Received 7 Likes on 6 Posts
Well, the character is coming back, but Steve Rogers is staying dead.

... and for the record, I hated Bucky then... and I still hate Bucky now.
Old 01-30-08, 03:22 PM
  #12  
DVD Talk Limited Edition
 
dadaluholla's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Wilmington, OH
Posts: 5,491
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Is John Walker (US Agent) still around? I am really enjoying the whole Bucky/Winter Soldier storyline, but I wouldn't mind seeing Brubaker bring the ol' psycho back to pitchfork a few more Watchdogs to death.
Old 01-30-08, 03:31 PM
  #13  
DVD Talk Godfather
 
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: City of the lakers.. riots.. and drug dealing cops.. los(t) Angel(e)s. ca.
Posts: 54,199
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
US Agent is in Omage Flight, the new Alpha flight.

I thought the issue was great. Passing the torch to Bucky was smooth and really, the whole run of captain america has been great even after steve died. Great job on ed's part.
Old 01-30-08, 04:47 PM
  #14  
DVD Talk Hero
 
Join Date: Apr 1999
Location: Duluth, GA, USA
Posts: 37,782
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
To me, it felt like we missed an issue between the last issue and this issue.
Old 01-30-08, 06:39 PM
  #15  
DVD Talk Reviewer
 
Rogue588's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: WAS looking for My Own Private Stuckeyville, but stuck in Liberty City (while missing Vice City)
Posts: 15,094
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I agree. But Brubaker still rocks.
Old 01-30-08, 10:10 PM
  #16  
DVD Talk Godfather
 
Giantrobo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 1999
Location: South Bay
Posts: 57,850
Received 33 Likes on 23 Posts
Originally Posted by Nick Danger
The only character who stayed dead while I was reading superhero comics was Robin (Jason Todd). All the rest came back.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_Todd
Old 01-31-08, 06:55 AM
  #17  
DVD Talk Limited Edition
 
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: So Cal
Posts: 7,072
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by taffer
Although they did try to change that with the Spider-man clone saga that almost brought back Peter's parents.
They did briefly come back but it turned out they were robots. Yay for Marvel.
Old 01-31-08, 09:57 AM
  #18  
DVD Talk Gold Edition
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Taxachusetts
Posts: 2,316
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Not a surprise at all that Bucky is the new Cap - Brubaker has clearly been setting him up to take over the mantle almost since he started writing the title. Even so, I still enjoyed the hell out of this issue. I hope Brubaker writes this title indefinitely because you know that as soon as he's off the book Marvel will bring back Steve Rogers from the dead.
Old 01-31-08, 10:46 AM
  #19  
DVD Talk Platinum Edition
 
MBoyd's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 1999
Location: AUSTIN - Land of Mexican Coke
Posts: 3,920
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I havent been to a comic shop (do DCBS still) - did the media attention create a run on the issue like the Death issue?
Old 01-31-08, 11:15 AM
  #20  
DVD Talk Hero
 
slop101's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: So. Cal.
Posts: 40,667
Received 13 Likes on 11 Posts
Not really, because it wasn't a surprise like his death was. Retailers knew about this (the book had been building to this for months - no one was caught off-guard) and ordered appropriately, unlike the death issue, which no one expected and was severely under-ordered.
Old 01-31-08, 11:15 AM
  #21  
DVD Talk Gold Edition
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Taxachusetts
Posts: 2,316
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by MBoyd
I havent been to a comic shop (do DCBS still) - did the media attention create a run on the issue like the Death issue?
My LCS had stacks of copies, so I don't see anything like last years debacle happening.
Old 02-01-08, 02:27 AM
  #22  
DVD Talk Godfather
 
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: City of the lakers.. riots.. and drug dealing cops.. los(t) Angel(e)s. ca.
Posts: 54,199
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by fujishig
Hey, Thunderbird stayed dead (except for alternate reality stuff). Of course, Warpath is pretty much the same thing.

On the DC side, I don't think they ever really brought Barry Allen back, so that remains as one of the biggest deaths-that-stuck-so-far. And of course they didn't really bring the REAL Supergirl back.

I thought Peter David handled the issue pretty well when he had Siren react to Banshee's death in X-factor...

Barry's back. In the last arc of Justice League Legion came about to capture lightning in a rod, they brought back both Wally and Barry. Only Barry's stuck in a rod now.
Old 02-01-08, 09:59 AM
  #23  
DVD Talk Gold Edition
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Posts: 2,155
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Originally Posted by Jackskeleton
Only Barry's stuck in a rod now.
What?
Old 02-01-08, 10:17 AM
  #24  
Dai
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Vancouver, BC
Posts: 286
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I'm just waiting for them to bring back Jean Grey.....AGAIN
Old 02-01-08, 04:38 PM
  #25  
Banned
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: teXXXas
Posts: 1,389
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Originally Posted by ytrez
What?

Better'n having a rod stuck in ya, I always say.

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Do Not Sell My Personal Information

Copyright 2018 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.