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Old 08-07-06 | 07:28 AM
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Chew, I think it's a growing epidemic.
Old 08-07-06 | 10:37 AM
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I spent Friday at the Chicago Wizard con. I've gone about 4-5 times over the last 6 years or so and found this one to be the most disappointing from the standpoint of money spent. The number of sellers was way down this year. The aisles were further apart (which was quite nice, actually), there were many empty slots, and they even had a section for tables in the middle of the floor!

I always go for trades at this show and had a huge list. My requirement for even looking at somebodys boxes is that it be 50% off. I can easily get at least 35% off online, so why bother looking at the 25-40% off sellers? I was only able to get half of the nine volumes of 100 Bullets and one item off-list. Nothing else.

I actually left with money. Normally I hit up the ATM at least one more time.

It was fun to see the people I did (Richard Kiel, Dirk Benedict, Noel Neill, a couple Munchkins), but I missed Kirsten Bell by a day.


As to Sandman, here's hoping all volumes are 45% off.
Went all 3 days (I have been going for over 13 years since I live so close) myself. Was definately surprised to see so many empty tables, I know last year they had actually expanded slightly into another room. I think it comes down to a couple things. One, this convention remains so close in time to San Diego which I am sure makes some dealers (and artists, writers, ect) choose one or the other from a cost standpoint. Two, Wizard now has four conventions instead of one. That means dealers that might have come to Chicago from somewhere like Ohio might now wait for the New York one instead.

I ended up picking up probably 20 or so trades from anywhere from 35-50% off retail. I also picked up one statue and 3 artist commissions. Probably spent a bit more then I usually do, mostly from the fact I started get art last year. The only other thing I really did was see Kevin Smith on Saturday which took up most of the day (waiting in line, ect.). It did seem pretty blah this year, which is sad because it might be last one if I move out to LA next year. Of course, then I will have San Diego to look forward to.
Old 08-07-06 | 11:33 AM
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One, this convention remains so close in time to San Diego which I am sure makes some dealers (and artists, writers, ect) choose one or the other from a cost standpoint.
That was certainly the thought I had as well.

I went with the intention of finding 300. Not a single seller had it for more than 20% off. I ended up getting it new on Amazon for 37% off.

I don't have the link right now, but that Kevin Smith Q&A was posted for download (video in .mov format) if anybody wants to search it out.
Old 08-07-06 | 12:00 PM
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I think it also hurt you (from a price standpoint) that you went on Friday where dealers are bit less likely to cut a deal unlike Sunday as the Con closing.
Old 08-07-06 | 12:27 PM
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You know, with so many cheap online retailers, it's amazing that the LCSs don't reduce their price to keep customers. I know that some people will buy locally just to support the small guy, but to save 10% or more on every single thing, it's hard to support the little guy sometimes.
Old 08-07-06 | 12:39 PM
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You know, with so many cheap online retailers, it's amazing that the LCSs don't reduce their price to keep customers. I know that some people will buy locally just to support the small guy, but to save 10% or more on every single thing, it's hard to support the little guy sometimes.
The answer is that they can't just reduce their price (or at least, the vast majority of smaller LCS's can't). Most online stores don't need to have a physical presence (if they do, it's usually doesn't have the same discount), they just need a big warehouse somewhere. They also should have many more subscribers than a local store could boast, so their discount from the distributor is probably greater, and a lot of them make their customers preorder from Previews, taking a lot of the risk away from the store (such as ordering too much or too little of a book).
Old 08-07-06 | 12:49 PM
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I think it also hurt you (from a price standpoint) that you went on Friday where dealers are bit less likely to cut a deal unlike Sunday as the Con closing.
That's very true. I've never been there on a Sunday, all of my trips were on the opening Friday.
Old 08-07-06 | 01:01 PM
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The answer is that they can't just reduce their price (or at least, the vast majority of smaller LCS's can't). Most online stores don't need to have a physical presence (if they do, it's usually doesn't have the same discount), they just need a big warehouse somewhere. They also should have many more subscribers than a local store could boast, so their discount from the distributor is probably greater, and a lot of them make their customers preorder from Previews, taking a lot of the risk away from the store (such as ordering too much or too little of a book).
You're right, and I do understand that. But there's got to be some way for them to take some business away from the online guys. Either that, or they need to make shopping with them a nice experience so you want to pay that extra money. As it is, you rarely get the attention you need and the store is a shambles.

But I'm sure we've discussed this before...
Old 08-07-06 | 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Big Dave
One, this convention remains so close in time to San Diego
Precisely what I was going to say. This year's guest list and "come here to see this..." attractions for Chicago were the weakest I've ever seen. Everyone shot their load in San Diego this year.


Originally Posted by bishop2knight
You know, with so many cheap online retailers, it's amazing that the LCSs don't reduce their price to keep customers. I know that some people will buy locally just to support the small guy, but to save 10% or more on every single thing, it's hard to support the little guy sometimes.
It's very important to support the local guy, and IMHO unless you have an online service that's reliable and is saving you in the neighborhood of $20 or more a week over the local store, it's worth paying a little extra and keeping your money in the community.

For me it's not just the savings, it's the atmosphere of the LCS. They know me. They happily greet me when I come in. They take the time to talk to me, see how I'm doing, etc. An online retailer doesn't do that. Most importantly, if something came through that they think I'll like, they'll call me or hold on to it until I come in. That's another big thing you don't get from an online store. Granted, not every LCS is like this, but mine is, which is why they still get my money even though I could pull down another 15-20% savings if I went through an online place.
Old 08-07-06 | 03:42 PM
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I was watching Justice League season 2 and one of the episodes had an uncanny resemblance to the mid-70s Avengers 118, in which the Avengers and Defenders are searching for Dormammu. Sure enough, wikipedia says that the Justice League series sometimes used a faux-Defenders team, with Dr Fate as Dr Strange, Solomon Grundy as Hulk, etc.
Old 08-07-06 | 04:38 PM
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If you're lucky enough to find a LCS that's the equivalent of "Cheers" where everyone knows your name (and taste in comics), then you should do what you can to support that LCS (and I do so).

I can easily save money by ordering online and getting a monthly shipment of comics, but I would miss out on the weekly give-and-take of all things pop culture that permeates my LCS. That's worth more than the 10%-20% extra I would save by going with an online source for comics.
Old 08-07-06 | 04:44 PM
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I read the first part of Planet Hulk awhile back and liked it - is anyone keeping up with the various Planet Hulk arcs, and is it still worth reading? I was angling to "wait for the trade (or HC, hopefully)"
Old 08-07-06 | 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Patman
If you're lucky enough to find a LCS that's the equivalent of "Cheers" where everyone knows your name (and taste in comics), then you should do what you can to support that LCS (and I do so).

I agree. The store where I get my comics is like this. And even though for long they they would drive me nuts with order fuck ups, it was that and the weekly order discount...let's be honest... that kept me going there. It's a place that's near my work so it's not even near my home which sucks. I can only make it there once a week so I can't like many do when I go there. But still, they know me and my tastes, which isn't hard because as you guys know I ONLY buy DC and DC related stuff.

Anyway, I have like 2 or 3 that are near my house but when I checked them out so I could support a shop closer to home, either they didn't have a weekly e-mail list for me to choose from or their weekly pull procedures were a pain. So I stuck with the one I'm with.

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Old 08-07-06 | 04:57 PM
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I read the first part of Planet Hulk awhile back and liked it - is anyone keeping up with the various Planet Hulk arcs, and is it still worth reading? I was angling to "wait for the trade (or HC, hopefully)"
I read the Wiki synopsis posted in this thread and it's interesting that The Hulk is still such a pain in the Marvel world. In other news, I heard they're making the last remaining OMAC "the hulk"(pain in the ass?) of the DCU.
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Originally Posted by davidh777
I was watching Justice League season 2 and one of the episodes had an uncanny resemblance to the mid-70s Avengers 118, in which the Avengers and Defenders are searching for Dormammu. Sure enough, wikipedia says that the Justice League series sometimes used a faux-Defenders team, with Dr Fate as Dr Strange, Solomon Grundy as Hulk, etc.
That episode would be The Terror Beyond. In fact, Grundy calls Hawkgirl "Bird-nose", which was his nickname for Nighthawk. Sort of like Squadron Supreme only more fun.
Old 08-07-06 | 08:43 PM
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http://www.diamondcomics.com/shippin...ing_080906.txt

I sure hope this is just a formatting error on the usually very useful Diamond Shipping List. It's giving me a migraine!
Old 08-07-06 | 09:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Patman
If you're lucky enough to find a LCS that's the equivalent of "Cheers" where everyone knows your name (and taste in comics), then you should do what you can to support that LCS (and I do so).
I'll tell ya, any LCS that doesn't act like that doesn't deserve to be in business. As a small business owner, I don't know how many times I've said that the appeal of my store is that not only do I know the product, I know my customers and I'm always watching for things that I know they're looking for or I think that they'll like.
Old 08-07-06 | 09:58 PM
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If you're lucky enough to find a LCS that's the equivalent of "Cheers" where everyone knows your name (and taste in comics), then you should do what you can to support that LCS (and I do so).
I used to order comics through a LCS (like maybe $30-40 worth a month), but about a year ago I stopped. I came in the store for the next few months to pick up everything I'd ordered, but once my preorders stopped trickling in, I stopped going there. It's probably been at least 6 months since I'd been in there, and I stopped in the other day and the guy was like "Hi, how's it's going? How have you've been? Oh, by the way, I here's a comic that you ordered that came in late and you never picked it up." (it was Yuggoth Creatures #2)

Now that's the kind of service you don't get with your Internet shopping. Kinda made me feel guilty for not ordering comics anymore.
Old 08-07-06 | 10:14 PM
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Anyone know if DC is going to do an Absolute V for Vendetta? I want the hardcover edition but it is becoming extremely hard to find. Anyone know of any sites that carry it still?
Old 08-08-06 | 06:07 AM
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Anyone know if DC is going to do an Absolute V for Vendetta? I want the hardcover edition but it is becoming extremely hard to find. Anyone know of any sites that carry it still?
A whole bunch of Amazon marketplace sellers have it, and it's at a decent price: http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listi...387332?ie=UTF8
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Sounds like there are a lot of good comic shops out there. I'll admit, the LCS I use, Mile High, isn't so bad. But it's small, crowded, and a bit dumpy. Plus, they don't have enough backstock trades to really peruse and get that impulse buy. I think that's the real problem. If they have a book I want, I'd have no problem picking it up. But if I have to ask them to order it and it'll take a few days, why not take a day or two more and save 30% by going online?

I've always wanted to own my own shop, which will probably never happen. But if it did, I'd have a whole mess of trades available. I mean, imagine a bookstore with nothing but trades and graphic novels. That's what I want. You need to have more books in stock if you expect to get more business.
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I've always wanted to own my own shop, which will probably never happen. But if it did, I'd have a whole mess of trades available. I mean, imagine a bookstore with nothing but trades and graphic novels. That's what I want. You need to have more books in stock if you expect to get more business.

I'm fairly certain that the reason the stores don't stock so many trades is because they don't sell well enough to justify the high expense. You might want that impulse buy but, with the way the economy is right now, I don't think that most people can afford a $15-$20 impulse buy on top of their weekly books.

Also, with how quickly TPB's are released, you can sometimes buy the back issues for the same price. Hell, if you ask the owner of the shop, they might even cut you a deal to get rid of the extra issues instead of having to order the trade for you.
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I think it comes down to a couple things. One, this convention remains so close in time to San Diego which I am sure makes some dealers (and artists, writers, ect) choose one or the other from a cost standpoint.
I think this is a big cause of it. I've got a friend who sells comics in KC and she decided to skip Wizard World this year in favor of San Diego -- apparently, she lost money in Chicago last year.

This year, I went Saturday. Since I still have a stack of unread stuff form last year my plan this year was to only buy stuff from the actual creators. I walked away with a Super Spy graphic novel (read the first chapter and am enjoying it so far), Jeffrey Brown's "I am Going to Be Small" (flipped through it and it's not really my kind of humor) -- both from Top Shelf. I also the TPB collecting the first 4 issues of Dorothy (from Illusive Arts Entertainment), which I read on a break from the con and enjoyed so much I went back and bought issues 5 and 6 so I could find out more of the story (only 6 issues have been published so far). Finally, I picked up the first issue of the Oz/Wonderland Chronicles -- I had bought the preview issue at last year's con and enjoyed it (can't find a link to the publisher, so here's a news article on the book).

I was going to break my rule and pick up Lost Girls (even though neither Alan Moore nor Melinda Gebbie was there), but alas -- Top Shelf was completely sold out of the few copies they had brought by Saturday.
Old 08-08-06 | 09:29 AM
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I was watching Justice League season 2 and one of the episodes had an uncanny resemblance to the mid-70s Avengers 118, in which the Avengers and Defenders are searching for Dormammu. Sure enough, wikipedia says that the Justice League series sometimes used a faux-Defenders team, with Dr Fate as Dr Strange, Solomon Grundy as Hulk, etc.
Bruce Timm on “The Terror Beyond” (circa 2004): “That’s our backward homage to the Defenders. It was one of those weird things where I had pitched a story that had an odd two-part structure. We wanted to bring Aquaman back, because we really liked the Aquaman episode from the first season, and I was toying with this idea of H.P. Lovecraft—a lot of his ‘Cthulhu Mythos’ deities are water-based. So that gave me a hook, and I thought, ‘It could be interesting if it was a Lovecraftian monster attacking Atlantis and the Justice League helps Aquaman defeat the monster.’ Then I thought, ‘That takes care of the aquatic side of the Lovecraftian theme, but then there’s the sorcerous side of it.’ So the original story was, at the end of Part One, they seemingly defeat the monster, they fly back towards Metropolis, and they get back home and realize that whatever they had done to defeat the monster has unleashed a portal and now there’s a full-scale invasion of our dimension from these Lovecraftian beasties. Part Two would not have [had] Aquaman in it, but would have Dr. Fate, just to keep our guest stars down to a minimum per episode.

“The writers totally did not like the story. They thought the gimmick of it—the fact that it was two seemingly unrelated stories that are connected by a little thread in the cliffhanger—they thought it was a little odd; they just couldn’t see the story. So I kind of gave up on that, but then I mentioned, ‘You know, we’ve got Aquaman here and Dr. Fate; we’ve basically got two-thirds of a DC Comics alternate universe version of the Defenders.’ Little light bulbs started going off over everybody’s heads. I said, ‘All we need now is the DC equivalent of the Hulk.’ Somebody mentioned Grundy and it all went from there. It was a weird, fun thing (courtesy of Modern Masters, Volume Three: Bruce Timm).”
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Anyone know if DC is going to do an Absolute V for Vendetta? I want the hardcover edition but it is becoming extremely hard to find. Anyone know of any sites that carry it still?
At the Vertigo panel at Wizard World, someone asked if Vertigo would follow up Absolute Sandman with Absolute Preacher or Transmet. Bob Wayne said they would wait and see how Absolute Sandman sold before committing to any other Absolutes, but that the two mentioned were natural choices if they decided to go the Absolute route with a second series.

Make of that what you will.


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