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I didn't ignore the Shooter/Swan run, & certainly it is not "undeniably better" b/c it is not fact that it is better. IMO the Legion was in a tailspin before DnA took over. The sales were awful & they came onto the book & did something exciting. I still think the best thing they did was Legion Lost, I know hardcore Legion fans (which are the scariest fans in all of comics) hated it b/c they killed off one of the most beloved characters ever but that is part of what made it so dark & great & IMO the most exciting it had been in years.

Say, which cover did you guys get for Green Lantern #1? I got the one with Hal flying but I see there's one with Hal holding his ring up and this is the one of DC's site. What the heck did I get?

you got the alex ross cover.

Says you Seriously though -- Shooter/Swan gave us the Fatal Five, the death of Ferro Lad, the betrayal of Nemesis Kid, Mordru, Orion the Hunter, Dr. Regulus, Universo, the Tornado Twins. What did DnA give us? Warmed over Ra's al Ghul, the Terrorforms, and a pastiche of the Great Darkness Saga? And those are the issues I consider their high points.

I agree with this. Peyer/McCraw started out very strong, but by the time KC Carlson left as editor, they had lost their way. I rank the books immediately prior to DnA as among the worst in Legion history.

I don't hate Legion Lost because they killed Element Lad. I hate Legion Lost because it ignored everything the Legion is supposed to be about -- a large cast of characters, an optimistic future, the greatest heroes of the 30th/31st century battling world-shattering menaces -- in favor of a meandering storyline focusing on DnA's pet character (Shikari), had God-awful art, and didn't really make much sense ("Hi, I'm Saturn Girl! Look, I'm the leader! No, wait -- I'm crazy! No, wait -- I'm in love with Ultra Boy! No, wait -- I'm back to being crazy! Now my team-mates are mad at me! Now they're not!")

DnA got better -- as I mentioned, their run on the continuing Legion (no of Super-Heroes) was pretty solid, and by the time they left, I was somewhat sorry to see them go. Heck, even Coipel had improved by the time of Legion (no of Super-Heroes), although I think Batista was a better fit for the series. But you will never convince me that Legion: Lost was good comics, let alone good Legion comics.

We will just have to disagree. Half of my love of Lost is the art. It brought Coipel to the mainstream & I love his style. He gave Legion a dark very European influenced look which I thought was unique & exciting & he was my favorite artist on the book since the brilliant Jason Pearson issues. I also like Shikari & she was hardly the focus of the storyline, I don't know where you got that from, after the first couple of issues, she has taken a back seat ever since. I also don't see where you think DnA's run is not about the large cast, they started focusing on a core group certainly, but for me, the fun of the run is how they kept on incorporating more & more characters.

I love the Shooter/Swan stuff, I just think among Legion fans, & I know this from my store, it is just trendy to bash the DnA stuff.

I'd take that with a grain of salt -- people have been bashing the then-current Legion books since at least Magic Wars, and probably earlier. "Chameleon Kid? Invisible Kid? Ultra Boy? Who are these posers! The real Legion is Lightning Boy, Saturn Girl, and Cosmic Boy!"

As for Copiel, let me just say I think he's turned into a very solid artist. His later Legion work and his Avengers work, while not entirely to my taste, is certainly well-done. But I thought he was simply not ready for "prime time" when he started on the LSH books.

Took the words right out of my mouth. I didn't like Legion Lost because they took just a subset of the Legion, and abandoned the original concept of this bright, optimistic future, instead becoming dark and dank. And the art hurt my eyes (though Coipel did get loads better, to the point I was actually sorry to see him leave).

Of course, that's all eerily similar to the "dark" Giffen era, which fans seem to universally hate but I loved (it had a dark future, and hard-to-follow art too!). But I had actually grown to like the lighthearted, optimistic, back-to-it's-roots Legion before Legion Lost (and whatever the arc before that miniseries was called) dismantled it. I also liked the homages to the past, and I didn't mind so much that they did things like mess with Projectra, or introduced new members, or whatever (although I did think the return to the 20th century hurt them, and later that whole anomoly BS). And after Legion Lost, all we got was this dark, grainy art.

I will admit Legion has had some great artists, though. From Lightle and Giffen, to Kiston (on LEGION), Immonen, Pearson, Sprouse (my personal favorite), Hughes (sometimes), and I even enjoyed Moy and those guys.

My main complaint with the series as it is now, is that I think one of my main reasons for following it for so long is nostalgia (similar to why I follow JSA, besides it being a good read). Now it's just some alternate universe with character with the same name, and I don't even think they addressed how this happened... This might as well be an extended Elseworlds.

My main problem with it, and it has nothing to do with Waid and Kitson's work at all, is that the Legion has been messed with so much, from Crisis taking away Superboy to Zero Hour rebooting everything, and on and on... and only now do they allow the creators to do what they want without interference from "present day" DC?

Oh ok.

Bought and read Amazing Spider-man Vol. 9 Skin Deep yesterday

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I enjoyed the first year, maybe year-and-a-half of the Giffen/Birnbaums "Legion" stories. By the time the Legion clones were introduced, I was just about done. And don't get me started on that horrific "Legion Undercover/On-The-Run" tone the book took somewhere around 93/94 -- where Brainiac 5 had to wear a "fat suit" to pretend to be someone else? Groan.

To me, classic Legion will always be Levitz/Giffen. There has never been a space opera comic as good as their collaboration. I also enjoyed much of what went before (the Cockrum/Grell issues) and after (LaRoque, Lightle, Giffen's return), but nothing was ever quite as good.

The 1994 Zero Hour "reboot" was OK but I lost interest rather quickly. DnA's run on the title I only read sporadically. So far I am rather enjoying Waid/Kitson's run, but it needs to move beyond its current "episodic" feel pretty soon in order for me to sustain interest.