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Originally Posted by fujishig
Interesting...
I guess the Tilting at Windmill guy is limiting multiples because he wants books to be able to go to people who are going to read them, and he wants to make sure he can accurately order the next issue.
I guess the Tilting at Windmill guy is limiting multiples because he wants books to be able to go to people who are going to read them, and he wants to make sure he can accurately order the next issue.
It is an odd policy, but I don't see many people buying multiple copies of many issues any more, except for issues that would sell out anyway, and then it's better for him and his store if a different reader got that third or fourth copy.
Do you have an issue with his policy because it restricts the buyer, or because of something else?
while I agree that waiting for trades is detrimental to the comic book industry as a whole, I do find that it is much harder to find back issues these days... and if not for the trade, how would anyone catch up?
Not only that, but man are individual comics hard to read month by month nowadays... because a lot of them are designed to be read in a trade.
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Bendis is terrible with making single issues worth picking up. Every story arc of his seems like it works a shit lot better as a trade. Look at New Avengers.. it's going so slow that it's really annoying to pick up the single issues.
In other news.... Geoff Johns is going to stop writing Flash in August. He's been on it for five years now and it's been one hell of a run. But now with the work load of how many books he is on he needs to pass it on. It is actually going to someone who is equally as good. Darwyn cooke.
In other news.... Geoff Johns is going to stop writing Flash in August. He's been on it for five years now and it's been one hell of a run. But now with the work load of how many books he is on he needs to pass it on. It is actually going to someone who is equally as good. Darwyn cooke.
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I love the serialized, monthly books, always have. But let's face it, many books today read better in the collected format. Strictly talking as a reader here, the business side of it doesn't matter. I want good stories, and if I enjoy the entire story in one sitting, then that's the way I'm want to get my comics.
Saying that waiting for the trade is detrimental to comics is short-sighted. I think there will always be room for the serialized format, but if the comics community wants to grow and get new readers, we'll have to embrace original graphic novels.
Saying that waiting for the trade is detrimental to comics is short-sighted. I think there will always be room for the serialized format, but if the comics community wants to grow and get new readers, we'll have to embrace original graphic novels.
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In other news.... Geoff Johns is going to stop writing Flash in August.
It is actually going to someone who is equally as good. Darwyn cooke.
#80
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First of all, it really surprises me that people still buy 6 issues of a comic, even "landmark" comics these days. More power to them, I guess. I understand your complaint, though, Sessa, about buyers being able to buy what they choose, without someone dictating to them.
The trend towards original graphic novels: there are a few reasons I don't see this happening:
1. OGNs have no ads, so you lose all advertising revenue
2. Because they're not subsidized by the sale of the original serialized version, they will most likely be more expensive than they are now
3. It's harder for store owners to order, because it's not a monthly book with a cycle sheet, but a more expensive one time offering that may or may not sell. There's also no indication from the serialized comics of how well the story was recieved
4. An OGN of about the size of 6 collected comics will take the creators around 6-8 months to complete. That's 6-8 months where they're not getting revenue, and banking that it'll be successful enough to pay their bills.
5. The general stigma against OGNs. As I said earlier, while people will flock to collected issues, if it hits as a GN first, there's just some psychological barrier that prevents people from trying it out. I'm even surprised the prestige format books are still around.
People always point to the manga market, which deals almost exclusively now with cheaper graphic-novel-only issues. But those are pretty much reprints of foreign material that was serialized, albeit in a different way. Even the Humanoids stuff has been cancelled by DC, and by all accounts that was some high quality stuff. If anything, a move to OGNs will further ostracize the guy on the street, who I believe is already put off by high single-issue prices.
The trend towards original graphic novels: there are a few reasons I don't see this happening:
1. OGNs have no ads, so you lose all advertising revenue
2. Because they're not subsidized by the sale of the original serialized version, they will most likely be more expensive than they are now
3. It's harder for store owners to order, because it's not a monthly book with a cycle sheet, but a more expensive one time offering that may or may not sell. There's also no indication from the serialized comics of how well the story was recieved
4. An OGN of about the size of 6 collected comics will take the creators around 6-8 months to complete. That's 6-8 months where they're not getting revenue, and banking that it'll be successful enough to pay their bills.
5. The general stigma against OGNs. As I said earlier, while people will flock to collected issues, if it hits as a GN first, there's just some psychological barrier that prevents people from trying it out. I'm even surprised the prestige format books are still around.
People always point to the manga market, which deals almost exclusively now with cheaper graphic-novel-only issues. But those are pretty much reprints of foreign material that was serialized, albeit in a different way. Even the Humanoids stuff has been cancelled by DC, and by all accounts that was some high quality stuff. If anything, a move to OGNs will further ostracize the guy on the street, who I believe is already put off by high single-issue prices.
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#82
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At comicbookresources, a recent LITG article stated:
Over the last few years it seems as if there have been a succession of similar errors, including missing pages, dialogue, repeated dialogue and corrupted dialogue in trade paperbacks and hardcovers. Some of the more significant include X-Men: Dream's End, Daredevil HC 1, Fantastic Four HC 1 and Wolverine: The Best There Is.
http://www.comicbookresources.com/co...gi?column=litg
Question - does anyone know what the errors/problems were with the Daredevil HC Vol 1 (is this the original with white/red/black cover or the reissue with the cover to #1?) and Fantastic Four HC Vol 1 (which reprints the Doom arc, right?)?
Thanks!
And Mark Millar had this to say about the situation:
However, Wolverine: Enemy Of The State writer Mark Millar jokingly had an alternative take on his board "I like to see these Marvel misprints as a big fuck you to all the lazy bastards who wait for the trade."
I thought that was a pretty ignorant comment to make. I actually own or have owned the original issues of most of what I buy in HC (tho not to that run on Wolverine), I just prefer to buy the HCs as well for presentation sake (no ads, oversized pages, extras, nice binding). I don't see why anyone should get screwed for buying a hardcover, for whatever the reason, especially considering they usually aren't that cheap ($20-$35).
Over the last few years it seems as if there have been a succession of similar errors, including missing pages, dialogue, repeated dialogue and corrupted dialogue in trade paperbacks and hardcovers. Some of the more significant include X-Men: Dream's End, Daredevil HC 1, Fantastic Four HC 1 and Wolverine: The Best There Is.
http://www.comicbookresources.com/co...gi?column=litg
Question - does anyone know what the errors/problems were with the Daredevil HC Vol 1 (is this the original with white/red/black cover or the reissue with the cover to #1?) and Fantastic Four HC Vol 1 (which reprints the Doom arc, right?)?
Thanks!
And Mark Millar had this to say about the situation:
However, Wolverine: Enemy Of The State writer Mark Millar jokingly had an alternative take on his board "I like to see these Marvel misprints as a big fuck you to all the lazy bastards who wait for the trade."
I thought that was a pretty ignorant comment to make. I actually own or have owned the original issues of most of what I buy in HC (tho not to that run on Wolverine), I just prefer to buy the HCs as well for presentation sake (no ads, oversized pages, extras, nice binding). I don't see why anyone should get screwed for buying a hardcover, for whatever the reason, especially considering they usually aren't that cheap ($20-$35).
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I thought that was a pretty ignorant comment to make. I actually own or have owned the original issues of most of what I buy in HC (tho not to that run on Wolverine), I just prefer to buy the HCs as well for presentation sake (no ads, oversized pages, extras, nice binding). I don't see why anyone should get screwed for buying a hardcover, for whatever the reason, especially considering they usually aren't that cheap ($20-$35).
I don't feel the need to own the monthlys before I buy the hardcover or tpb. And I refuse to be guilted into by the like of Millar.
The few comics I get in the monthly format are Plastic Man, Solo, Conan, Grimjack & Sable. And I mostly do that because I was concerned that sales might not warrent collections on these.
#84
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Originally Posted by Giantrobo
SATURDAY JUNE 4th
Meet
GEOFF JOHNS!!
JOIN US AS WE CELEBRATE THE RELEASE
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GREEN LANTERN #1!
Earth-2 Comics
15017 Ventura Blvd.
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818-386-9590
www.earth2comics.com
(2 blocks east of the Galleria/Sepulveda/101-405)
Meet
GEOFF JOHNS!!
JOIN US AS WE CELEBRATE THE RELEASE
OF
GREEN LANTERN #1!
Earth-2 Comics
15017 Ventura Blvd.
Sherman Oaks, CA 91403
818-386-9590
www.earth2comics.com
(2 blocks east of the Galleria/Sepulveda/101-405)
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Originally Posted by Mhepburn20
You've got to be kidding me! Do you shop at this store? That's actually my regular store. It's great, the staff is extraordinarily knowledgeable, not to mention Mark Waid shops there and frequently autographs items. They've also always got some cool signings, they had JMS for spiderman 500 and recently the warner brothers animation department on free comic book day.
It's near my Job so I only shop there when i'm in the area during the daytime. It's a nice place.
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I've probably seen you guys in the store sometime and just didn't know. Speaking of comics though,
EVERYONE needs to go out and grab FF 527. This is JMS's first issue and regardless of where you stand on JMS and Sins Past this is the single best issue of Fantastic Four that I have read, maybe ever. It is that good.
EVERYONE needs to go out and grab FF 527. This is JMS's first issue and regardless of where you stand on JMS and Sins Past this is the single best issue of Fantastic Four that I have read, maybe ever. It is that good.
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Originally Posted by Mhepburn20
EVERYONE needs to go out and grab FF 527. This is JMS's first issue and regardless of where you stand on JMS and Sins Past this is the single best issue of Fantastic Four that I have read, maybe ever. It is that good.
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Originally Posted by Sessa17
Boy I couldn't disagree more, you must not have ever read the FF before if you think this is the best issue ever. This issue doesn't even come close to anything Waid has done on the book. Personally I thought it was a rather bad start tfor JMS's run. The humor was crude & horribly forced & the issue as a whole just feels like JMS trying to mimic Waid rather than put his own stamp on the book. McKone's art is gorgeuous as usual though, but if this is the best FF you have ever read, then you need to seriously hunt down some trades & back issues.
That said, Waid is my all time favorite comic book writer and I do have a standing "everything waid" pull list including Hunter Killer and City of Heroes which were pretty good.
Edited to add: I also fail to see how this in any way mimics anything Waid did on the title. Waid's approach was very unique. JMS's is similarly unique and I don't really see a connection between the two outside of the fact that JMS tries to connect his run to things that happened in the past. Continuity is not the same as mimicing a previous writer.
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Originally Posted by Mhepburn20
I've probably seen you guys in the store sometime and just didn't know. Speaking of comics though,
EVERYONE needs to go out and grab FF 527. This is JMS's first issue and regardless of where you stand on JMS and Sins Past this is the single best issue of Fantastic Four that I have read, maybe ever. It is that good.
EVERYONE needs to go out and grab FF 527. This is JMS's first issue and regardless of where you stand on JMS and Sins Past this is the single best issue of Fantastic Four that I have read, maybe ever. It is that good.
Wow, I have to chime in with Sessa - couldn't disagree more with this. It wasn't TERRIBLE, but this was blah, average and unmemorable, another overrated comic from the overrated JMS (and I do like Supreme Power). The original Lee/Kirby issues, the Byrne run, the short Walt Simonson run and then the Mark Waid series that just finished, were all offering better issues than this one. I just don't see it as "great", myself. I'm not planning on picking up future issues.
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Wow, I have to chime in with Sessa - couldn't disagree more with this. It wasn't TERRIBLE, but this was blah, average and unmemorable, another overrated comic from the overrated JMS (and I do like Supreme Power). The original Lee/Kirby issues, the Byrne run, the short Walt Simonson run and then the Mark Waid series that just finished, were all offering better issues than this one. I just don't see it as "great", myself. I'm not planning on picking up future issues.
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If ya'll haven't been reading GOTHAM CENTRAL, the Half a Life arc is now collected. Go get it. It's awesome. Should be required reading for anyone who enjoys detective stories.
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Originally Posted by Mhepburn20
Well to each their own, at least your comments didn't boil down to, I disagree with you so you must be ignorant (ahem, Sessa). Sorry you didn't like it.
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Ignorant means a lack of knowledge. Your first sentence was that if I thought this was the best issue ever I must not have ever read FF before. How you fail to see the connection is beyond me. You clearly imply that I am ignorant when it comes to FF because otherwise my opinion would just be plain crazy.
Sorry, I liked the issue. I liked it a lot. I understand others may have different opinions but that doesn't mean they are inferior to me in some way (ignorant).
While that is still on topic as it is about FF 527, to stay even more on topic, I picked up GL #1 and OMAC 2 and was also impressed by both. In fact I would say GL#1 is the single best issue of Green Lantern (in this volume).
Sorry, I liked the issue. I liked it a lot. I understand others may have different opinions but that doesn't mean they are inferior to me in some way (ignorant).
While that is still on topic as it is about FF 527, to stay even more on topic, I picked up GL #1 and OMAC 2 and was also impressed by both. In fact I would say GL#1 is the single best issue of Green Lantern (in this volume).
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Originally Posted by Mhepburn20
Ignorant means a lack of knowledge. Your first sentence was that if I thought this was the best issue ever I must not have ever read FF before. How you fail to see the connection is beyond me. You clearly imply that I am ignorant when it comes to FF because otherwise my opinion would just be plain crazy.
Sorry, I liked the issue. I liked it a lot. I understand others may have different opinions but that doesn't mean they are inferior to me in some way (ignorant).
While that is still on topic as it is about FF 527, to stay even more on topic, I picked up GL #1 and OMAC 2 and was also impressed by both. In fact I would say GL#1 is the single best issue of Green Lantern (in this volume).
Sorry, I liked the issue. I liked it a lot. I understand others may have different opinions but that doesn't mean they are inferior to me in some way (ignorant).
While that is still on topic as it is about FF 527, to stay even more on topic, I picked up GL #1 and OMAC 2 and was also impressed by both. In fact I would say GL#1 is the single best issue of Green Lantern (in this volume).


Personally, I thought Waid's FF run started off strong (and I love Ringo's art anyway), but the direction he took some of the characters just didn't feel right to me. The whole insane Reed thing seemed odd to me, and then the Latveria/Doom confrontation didn't really hit home. I'm a big FF fan, though, and am loving the Byrne visionaries volumes, and even suffered through that confusing mess in the early 90's, when Alicia turned out to be a skrull and adult Franklin came back from the future (or something).
I'm glad JMS's run is at least getting some acclaim, so that moviegoers have a stand-up title to get into if they decide to get some comics. But as I've missed my preorder for this one, I'll probably wait for the trade. Sigh, I know, I know.
I'm still collecting Waid and Kitson's Legion month-to-month, even though the continuity-obsessed fanboy in me is screaming out at me whenever I read an issue... and I sorely miss both Young Justice (even if Titans is good, I didn't like how they pretty much just got rid of the side characters, and have now all-but-replaced Arrowette) and Supergirl.
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I am loving what Waid is doing with Legion, but you definitely just have to pretend that this is the first legion title that has ever existed to truly enjoy it. And what do you mean terrible nineties stuff. Lyja the Laserfist is the single greatest creation in all of marvel history! (That was a joke, I can't imagine anyone who read FF 358 or was it 348 and didn't just say WTF?)
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Here is what I picked up yesterday on the last Wed. in May. . .
ADVENTURES OF SUPERMAN #640 - Kersch is perfect for a Superman title. I've been disspointed witih Rucka's run though & could care less who Ruin is.
BATGIRL #64 - This use to be one of my favorite comics for the frist 25 issues then it become dreadful for about 2 years & now it has become really good again. This incarnation of Batgirl is one of my favortie Bat-characters ever.
CAPTAIN AMERICA #6- One of the 2 best titles Marvel publishes. Brubaker is brilliant.
CATWOMAN #43 - The book has never been the same since Stewart & Brubaker left.
DAY OF VENGEANCE #2 - Been diggin' the hell out of all things Countdown/Crisis.
DC SPECIAL THE RETURN OF DONNA TROY #1 - I really hate the "Collector's Item first issue" logo on the cover. But Garcia-Lopez art is always worth it.
EXPATRIATE #2- Pretty cool pseudo-noir comic so far.
FANTASTIC FOUR #527
FLASH #222 - I've been saying it for almost 5 years now. The best solo superhero comic on the market. Rogue's War has been awesome so far.
GIRLS #1 - AWESOME! More Luna Bros. Been looking foward to this since Ultra ended.
GREEN LANTERN #1 - So glad to see Pacheco on this book. I'm one of the few who can't stand Van Sciver's art.
HELLBLAZER #208 - Carry has probably had the most underrated run ever on this comic.
HUNGER #1 - Speakeasy is a new publisher that is quietly putting out some great work. Although the zombie trend is annoying the hell out of me now, this is an interesting first issue.
INCREDIBLE HULK #81 - What a great Frazetta Deathbringer tribut cover.
JLA #114 - Thank the comic book gods that this dreadful Busiek story is over with one of the worse artists in the business IMO in Rob Garney.
LEGION OF SUPER HEROES #6 - I though Abnett/Lanning had maybe the best run ever on this comic, but I do love Waid so while I wish this was never relaunched again, Waid's run has been solid so far.
NEW WEST #2 - I get this just for Noto's art.
NEW X-MEN: HELLIONS #1 - New X-men is a guilty pleasure.
OMAC PROJECT #2 - Damn this was good.
OUTSIDERS #24
RUNAWAYS #4 - The other book that is the best thing Marvel publishes. It is a comic book crime not to be reading this.
SLEEPER SEASON TWO #12 - My favorite comic right now along with Walking Dead. Breaks my heart that this is the last issue.
STORMBREAKER SAGA OF BETA RAY BILL #5 - Always loved Beta Ray.
X-MEN #170 - The single worse comic being published today & I get it b/c I have every issue & the hopes that one day it will turn around.
YEAR ONE BATMAN SCARECROW #1 - Really dig the art.
ADVENTURES OF SUPERMAN #640 - Kersch is perfect for a Superman title. I've been disspointed witih Rucka's run though & could care less who Ruin is.
BATGIRL #64 - This use to be one of my favorite comics for the frist 25 issues then it become dreadful for about 2 years & now it has become really good again. This incarnation of Batgirl is one of my favortie Bat-characters ever.
CAPTAIN AMERICA #6- One of the 2 best titles Marvel publishes. Brubaker is brilliant.
CATWOMAN #43 - The book has never been the same since Stewart & Brubaker left.
DAY OF VENGEANCE #2 - Been diggin' the hell out of all things Countdown/Crisis.
DC SPECIAL THE RETURN OF DONNA TROY #1 - I really hate the "Collector's Item first issue" logo on the cover. But Garcia-Lopez art is always worth it.
EXPATRIATE #2- Pretty cool pseudo-noir comic so far.
FANTASTIC FOUR #527
FLASH #222 - I've been saying it for almost 5 years now. The best solo superhero comic on the market. Rogue's War has been awesome so far.
GIRLS #1 - AWESOME! More Luna Bros. Been looking foward to this since Ultra ended.
GREEN LANTERN #1 - So glad to see Pacheco on this book. I'm one of the few who can't stand Van Sciver's art.
HELLBLAZER #208 - Carry has probably had the most underrated run ever on this comic.
HUNGER #1 - Speakeasy is a new publisher that is quietly putting out some great work. Although the zombie trend is annoying the hell out of me now, this is an interesting first issue.
INCREDIBLE HULK #81 - What a great Frazetta Deathbringer tribut cover.
JLA #114 - Thank the comic book gods that this dreadful Busiek story is over with one of the worse artists in the business IMO in Rob Garney.
LEGION OF SUPER HEROES #6 - I though Abnett/Lanning had maybe the best run ever on this comic, but I do love Waid so while I wish this was never relaunched again, Waid's run has been solid so far.
NEW WEST #2 - I get this just for Noto's art.
NEW X-MEN: HELLIONS #1 - New X-men is a guilty pleasure.
OMAC PROJECT #2 - Damn this was good.
OUTSIDERS #24
RUNAWAYS #4 - The other book that is the best thing Marvel publishes. It is a comic book crime not to be reading this.
SLEEPER SEASON TWO #12 - My favorite comic right now along with Walking Dead. Breaks my heart that this is the last issue.
STORMBREAKER SAGA OF BETA RAY BILL #5 - Always loved Beta Ray.
X-MEN #170 - The single worse comic being published today & I get it b/c I have every issue & the hopes that one day it will turn around.
YEAR ONE BATMAN SCARECROW #1 - Really dig the art.
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So what's happening in the donna troy book? Anything interesting? I absolutely hated "Graduation Day," and I had little hope that anything good would come out of that miniseries (well, besides the Titans regular book).
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Nope, nothing interesting. I loved Flash. Johns should really do a Rouges monthly book since that's what FLASH has turned into. Not saying it's bad. I love it. I just would like a bit more Wally. even before Rouge War there was a lot of focus on the Rouges. I would gladly buy a Rouges monthly title in a heart beat.
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LEGION OF SUPER HEROES #6 - I thought Abnett/Lanning had maybe the best run ever on this comic...
And that's not even counting the horrible Abnett/Lanning issues against them -- in my opinion, Abnett/Lanning didn't hit their stride until the Legion series started. Their runs on LSH and Legionnaires, Legion Lost, and Legion Worlds were all, in my opinion, as bad as the worst of the Legion (the Bierbaums, Roy Thomas, J.M. DeMatteis, and later Peyer/McCraw/Stern).



