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Old 11-24-03 | 06:42 AM
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I'll give you your points. But those things do not automatically make it good. The fact that
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Clarice ended up acting in a way totally out of character for her
made the book ending suck as far as I was concerned.
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No matter what psychological baggage Clarice had, she was fundamentally a profoundly decent and deeply moral person and I cannot believe she would have accepted that life.


At least the movie refused to
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compromise Clarice's "soul"
as Harris did.

Personally, I think Harris did it just to piss people off and to make the movie that much harder to make.

I can see your point and when you put it that way it makes alot of sense. I guess I've always been one to like what most people hate
Old 11-24-03 | 07:36 AM
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Im in total agreement that the film's ending is more satisfying than the book's, more faithful to the spirit of the character of Starling, especially from Silence of the Lambs.The movie also ignored what people wanted to know, basically some of what makes Lector tick, which the book had but the film ignored in favor of making it a chase film.
Old 09-13-04 | 11:50 AM
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Was this novel a best seller? Or was it considered a failure?

Is there a way to tell what each book grossed?

1) Red Dragon
2) Silence of the Lambs
3) Hannibal
Old 09-13-04 | 01:22 PM
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Was this novel a best seller? Or was it considered a failure?
Both, I guess.

It sold really well. (Which, after all, isn't unexpected. The sales had nothing to do with how good -- or bad -- the book was. I'm sure it sold millions on the first day alone.)

But most critics and even 'regular folk' disliked it. At least that was the impression at the time... I don't know if that'll change as time passes. I personally loved the first two books, but felt that the 3rd one was weak and cartoonish. None of the characters felt right.
Old 09-13-04 | 02:27 PM
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Count me among those who enjoyed the book's ending to the movie ending. The book actually tried to give us a conclusion of sorts - the movie was just trying to set up a sequel.
Old 09-16-04 | 04:51 PM
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Foster didn't play Clarice because of the Hannibals ending. After 10 years we were given the finger. Screw Harris.
Old 09-16-04 | 04:55 PM
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I'm about half way through the book now, and I'm thoroughly engrossed and am enjoying it immensely. Now whether or not I'll buy the ending, that's another story. But...so far, so good. I'm at the point now where Hannibal's on the move again after murdering Pazzi.
Old 09-17-04 | 01:11 AM
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The movie ending is what I liked.
Old 10-06-04 | 04:40 PM
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Can someone spoilerize what happened to Barney in the book? I'm very curious. thanks.
Old 10-06-04 | 04:42 PM
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Barney lived on. He got himself a girl, and years later ran into Hannibal and Clarice at the Opera. He spotted Hannibal from a distance, and quickly did the best he could to veil himself so that the Doctor wouldn't notice him.

He later discreetly left the Opera and fled the country.
Old 10-07-04 | 05:07 PM
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A great scene
Old 10-10-04 | 10:42 PM
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Originally posted by Crocker Jarmen
Hannibal the movie ending:

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After the brain eating eating sequence, Starling is starting to sharpen out of the drugs Lector gave her. The FBI is arriving to the cottage. Staring handcuffs herself to Lector so he can't escape from the law. Lector picks up a cleaver then brings it down in a threatening manner.
We cut to an airplane. Hannibal Lector is sitting there, but wait... His hand is a stump! He cut off his own hand rather than Starling's to escape. How sweet.
I was talking about the movie ending with a friend and he wondered why...
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...Hannibal didn't just cut off his thumb. It's all that was really holding the handcuffs on anyway, and being without a thumb would definitely suck less than being without a hand.

If Harris had written this ending, he would've thought of this more logical outcome. But a screenwriter would of course not think how stupid it makes Hannibal look to maim himself more than was needed to escape.
Old 10-22-04 | 05:12 PM
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Thanks for the Barney info.
Old 10-22-04 | 05:32 PM
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dhmac - in the book, Hannibal has 6 fingers on his hand. A thumb might not have done it. The ending may have been the same.
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dhmac - in the book, Hannibal has 6 fingers on his hand. A thumb might not have done it. The ending may have been the same.

But I thought he had the thumb removed before the events in Hannibal?
Old 10-24-04 | 12:15 PM
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Hannibal had six fingers, and he had one removed upon his escape to Italy. By the time he got handcuffed (in the movie), he had only the five fingers. Yes, the removal of the thumb would have been more logical than the entire hand. Perhaps, under the pressure, Hannibal isn't so sharp, eh?
Old 10-24-04 | 09:09 PM
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Yes, the removal of the thumb would have been more logical than the entire hand. Perhaps, under the pressure, Hannibal isn't so sharp, eh?

I don't know. It's the hand that keeps one cuffed not just the thumb. Unless someone has a really small hand the cuffs are on wrong there's no reason to believe they can escape without doing what Hannibal did.

Plus, cutting a whole hand off is far more sensational for the book and the movie.
Old 05-01-07 | 12:11 PM
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I've held off reading this because of all the harsh reviews from consumers, but I just finished Silence of the Lambs and my interest in Hannibal Lector is rekindled.
Boy, oh boy! Talk about history repeating...! This is 2007, and the same thing just happened. I finished reading Silence of the Lambs (again), and my interest in Hannibal Lecter was rekindled (again). This time, I picked up Hannibal in a hurry, and enjoyed the hell out of it.

Now, with just a quarter of the novel left to read, I placed an order for Hannibal Rising, hopefully it will arrive before I finish.

I have no illusions about Hannibal Rising - but what the hell. It can't be absolutely terrible...can it?

Anyway, Hannibal is an excellent read.
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I have no illusions about Hannibal Rising - but what the hell. It can't be absolutely terrible...can it?
Just wait.
Old 05-01-07 | 02:29 PM
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I wonder why Thomas Harris didn't team up Clarice Starling with Will Graham (from Red Dragon) for the Hannibal novel? That would have been interesting...

...and for those of you who think its over...its not. It can't be. For as long as life and strength run through Thomas Harris, and as long as there's $money$ to be made, there will be another installment to the Hannibal Lecter legacy.

Maybe this time, Will Graham will make an appearance, in order to recapture both Dr. Lecter and Clarice Starling. Starling's friend Ardelia Mapp is also looking, so maybe Mapp and Graham...Graham and Mapp...?

Hannibal left us hanging...Hannibal Rising (even the title is stupid) was filler...I'm waiting for what happens next...
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...and for those of you who think its over...its not. It can't be. For as long as life and strength run through Thomas Harris, and as long as there's $money$ to be made, there will be another installment to the Hannibal Lecter legacy.
The thing is, based on the performance of "Hannibal Rising" in both book and movie form there ISN'T "money to be made".

There was an article in Entertainment Weekly detailing the complete financial failure of "Hannibal Rising". The movie lost money and the vast majority of first-run hardcover copies of the book sit unsold in warehouses across the world.
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This must be distressing to Harris's new publisher - Bantam Books.
From Wikipedia.org:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Harris

...In 2004, Bantam Books signed Harris to an eight-figure, two-book contract. The first of these books, Hannibal Rising, chronicles the early life of the young Hannibal from age 6 to 20. The novel sheds more light on the circumstances of the death of his family during World War II, with a focus on Dr. Lecter's memories of his younger sister, Mischa, and was released on 5 December 2006. As of yet, no details have been released on Harris' sixth novel, although it is suggested that it will be a continuation of the Hannibal Lecter series, taking place after Hannibal Rising.
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I wouldn't say that Hannibal Rising was terrible. I found it to be a modestly diverting read. It's just nothing like the others. Most of all, I wouldn't go into it expecting it to be a thriller, as it's not.
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There's absolutely no indicator as to whether his next book is a Lecter book or not. I'm surprised that comment hasn't been deleted from Wikipedia.
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Are there any differences between the book & movie of Hannibal Rising?

Questions about Hannibal, book & movie:
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Jodie Foster didn't return because she didn't like the ending to the book, but the movie ending is much different and more in line with the character she played, IMO. So, why would the book ending keep her away from the movie?

Also, one of the parts I found unbelievable is that every law-enforcement group in the world can't get their hands on Hannibal, but a couple of pig farmers snatch him up with no problem? That always bothered me.


I also didn't really care for Hopkins' performance in the movie. In SOTL, he was a terrifying predator ready to pounce, but in the sequel he was playing HL almost like a comedic pop culture icon.

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