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The 89th Academy Awards --> 2017 Awards Show Discussion
02-28-17, 04:07 PM
#276
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02-28-17, 04:16 PM
#278
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I read that the protocol was that both of them had to confer with each other first and move forward from there. I'm assuming they also took time to explain it to the stage manager.
02-28-17, 04:20 PM
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That's just one of the many things that stood out. Forget the Trump jokes, the entire show including many of the awards were set up to push the Liberal agenda.
We'll start with Zootopia as you've mentioned above. Probably the weakest of the animated nominees but of course it won. The story uses animals to show the importance of racial tolerance.
The beloved musical La La Land loses to Moonlight? This would never happen any other year. The academy loves it's crappy musicals. They had to give the award to the film about the coming of age of a gay black male. The only thing that would have worked better would be if it was a gay, black immigrant.
Mahershala Ali of course wins best supporting actor for the same film although he was only in the movie for about the first 30-40 minutes.
Best Foreign Film - Of course a film from Iran is not only nominated but wins!
What could be better. The boycott of the director and an angry speech from one of his own.
I don't know much about "Makeup" awards but supposedly Suicide Squad winning was a big upset. Sure, why not. Let's get the Italians up there to include an immigrant mention in their speech.
Given that the show had it's worst ratings in nine years which was probably expected. You might argue that even the Best Picture screw up was staged to add a bit of publicity.
We'll start with Zootopia as you've mentioned above. Probably the weakest of the animated nominees but of course it won. The story uses animals to show the importance of racial tolerance.
The beloved musical La La Land loses to Moonlight? This would never happen any other year. The academy loves it's crappy musicals. They had to give the award to the film about the coming of age of a gay black male. The only thing that would have worked better would be if it was a gay, black immigrant.
Mahershala Ali of course wins best supporting actor for the same film although he was only in the movie for about the first 30-40 minutes.
Best Foreign Film - Of course a film from Iran is not only nominated but wins!
What could be better. The boycott of the director and an angry speech from one of his own.
I don't know much about "Makeup" awards but supposedly Suicide Squad winning was a big upset. Sure, why not. Let's get the Italians up there to include an immigrant mention in their speech.
Given that the show had it's worst ratings in nine years which was probably expected. You might argue that even the Best Picture screw up was staged to add a bit of publicity.
And family films often come with life lessons or teaching moments.
02-28-17, 04:35 PM
#280
Re: The 89th Academy Awards --> 2017 Awards Show Discussion
One of them was supposedly tweeting when they handed Beatty the wrong envelope. Perhaps they were still tweeting when the fiasco was unfolding?
02-28-17, 04:55 PM
#281
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Wow
02-28-17, 05:05 PM
#282
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That's just one of the many things that stood out. Forget the Trump jokes, the entire show including many of the awards were set up to push the Liberal agenda.
We'll start with Zootopia as you've mentioned above. Probably the weakest of the animated nominees but of course it won. The story uses animals to show the importance of racial tolerance.
The beloved musical La La Land loses to Moonlight? This would never happen any other year. The academy loves it's crappy musicals. They had to give the award to the film about the coming of age of a gay black male. The only thing that would have worked better would be if it was a gay, black immigrant.
We'll start with Zootopia as you've mentioned above. Probably the weakest of the animated nominees but of course it won. The story uses animals to show the importance of racial tolerance.
The beloved musical La La Land loses to Moonlight? This would never happen any other year. The academy loves it's crappy musicals. They had to give the award to the film about the coming of age of a gay black male. The only thing that would have worked better would be if it was a gay, black immigrant.
Makeup wasn't a disappointment, it was just funny seeing Suicide Squad win an award.
02-28-17, 06:26 PM
#283
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Agreed. I look at the Oscar's a bit of fun wrapped up in a lot of pageantry.
I don't know about that. An Oscar buff like me could rattle off all kinds of Oscar statistic. And I can't be the only one, as Jeopardy has categories and Final Jeopardy questions about the Oscars all the time. Just last week the Final Question asked for the only sequel since The Godfather Part 2 to win best picture.
I don't know about that. An Oscar buff like me could rattle off all kinds of Oscar statistic. And I can't be the only one, as Jeopardy has categories and Final Jeopardy questions about the Oscars all the time. Just last week the Final Question asked for the only sequel since The Godfather Part 2 to win best picture.
02-28-17, 07:54 PM
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Silence of the Lambs. That's a hard fucking question.
It's pretty debatable whether it's a sequel. The book is a sequel of a previous book, but no one involved in SOTL the film approached it as a sequel, it wasn't marketed as a sequel. I don't know if that's a fair question/answer.
It's pretty debatable whether it's a sequel. The book is a sequel of a previous book, but no one involved in SOTL the film approached it as a sequel, it wasn't marketed as a sequel. I don't know if that's a fair question/answer.
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02-28-17, 08:31 PM
#285
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Silence of the Lambs. That's a hard fucking question.
It's pretty debatable whether it's a sequel. The book is a sequel of a previous book, but no one involved in SOTL the film approached it as a sequel, it wasn't marketed as a sequel. I don't know. If that's a fair question/answer.
It's pretty debatable whether it's a sequel. The book is a sequel of a previous book, but no one involved in SOTL the film approached it as a sequel, it wasn't marketed as a sequel. I don't know. If that's a fair question/answer.
Lord of the Rings: Return of the King for the win!
02-28-17, 08:34 PM
#287
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Silence of the Lambs. That's a hard fucking question.
It's pretty debatable whether it's a sequel. The book is a sequel of a previous book, but no one involved in SOTL the film approached it as a sequel, it wasn't marketed as a sequel. I don't know. If that's a fair question/answer.
It's pretty debatable whether it's a sequel. The book is a sequel of a previous book, but no one involved in SOTL the film approached it as a sequel, it wasn't marketed as a sequel. I don't know. If that's a fair question/answer.
I think Manhunter was kind of a flop, and at the time SOTL was only ever promoted as a standalone film. The production companies were different and they almost had to rename Hannibal Lecter and a few other characters who were in both novels. It's really difficult to see SOTL as any kind of sequel in any official sense.
Wait... would it be "Return of the King" and not "Silence of the Lambs?"
ETA: You guys beat me to ROTK while I was typing.
02-28-17, 09:57 PM
#288
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Silence of the Lambs. That's a hard fucking question.
It's pretty debatable whether it's a sequel. The book is a sequel of a previous book, but no one involved in SOTL the film approached it as a sequel, it wasn't marketed as a sequel. I don't know. If that's a fair question/answer.
It's pretty debatable whether it's a sequel. The book is a sequel of a previous book, but no one involved in SOTL the film approached it as a sequel, it wasn't marketed as a sequel. I don't know. If that's a fair question/answer.
02-28-17, 10:42 PM
#289
DVD Talk Hero
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^ They didn't state their answer in the form of a question. Nobody gets points!
02-28-17, 11:32 PM
#290
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Best Foreign Film - Of course a film from Iran is not only nominated but wins!
What could be better. The boycott of the director and an angry speech from one of his own.
What could be better. The boycott of the director and an angry speech from one of his own.
I don't know much about "Makeup" awards but supposedly Suicide Squad winning was a big upset. Sure, why not. Let's get the Italians up there to include an immigrant mention in their speech.
02-28-17, 11:49 PM
#291
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That's just one of the many things that stood out. Forget the Trump jokes, the entire show including many of the awards were set up to push the Liberal agenda.
We'll start with Zootopia as you've mentioned above. Probably the weakest of the animated nominees but of course it won. The story uses animals to show the importance of racial tolerance.
The beloved musical La La Land loses to Moonlight? This would never happen any other year. The academy loves it's crappy musicals. They had to give the award to the film about the coming of age of a gay black male. The only thing that would have worked better would be if it was a gay, black immigrant.
Mahershala Ali of course wins best supporting actor for the same film although he was only in the movie for about the first 30-40 minutes.
Best Foreign Film - Of course a film from Iran is not only nominated but wins!
What could be better. The boycott of the director and an angry speech from one of his own.
I don't know much about "Makeup" awards but supposedly Suicide Squad winning was a big upset. Sure, why not. Let's get the Italians up there to include an immigrant mention in their speech.
Given that the show had it's worst ratings in nine years which was probably expected. You might argue that even the Best Picture screw up was staged to add a bit of publicity.
We'll start with Zootopia as you've mentioned above. Probably the weakest of the animated nominees but of course it won. The story uses animals to show the importance of racial tolerance.
The beloved musical La La Land loses to Moonlight? This would never happen any other year. The academy loves it's crappy musicals. They had to give the award to the film about the coming of age of a gay black male. The only thing that would have worked better would be if it was a gay, black immigrant.
Mahershala Ali of course wins best supporting actor for the same film although he was only in the movie for about the first 30-40 minutes.
Best Foreign Film - Of course a film from Iran is not only nominated but wins!
What could be better. The boycott of the director and an angry speech from one of his own.
I don't know much about "Makeup" awards but supposedly Suicide Squad winning was a big upset. Sure, why not. Let's get the Italians up there to include an immigrant mention in their speech.
Given that the show had it's worst ratings in nine years which was probably expected. You might argue that even the Best Picture screw up was staged to add a bit of publicity.
03-01-17, 05:40 AM
#292
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I actually walked into work on Monday morning wanting to talk about the Best Picture screw-up and nobody knew about it cause nobody watched it. What's funny is the Anti-Trump rants is the reason I tuned in this year as I wanted to see how far they would go as I haven't honestly watched an Oscar Show since Return of the King 2004. I forgot how pretentious these people really are (especially the Best Supporting Women Actress who said ONLY actors celebrate life or some bullshit like that). They make it so hard to root for them that I was actually happy with the Best Picture fuckup just to humble them a bit.
03-01-17, 07:35 AM
#293
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I forgot how pretentious these people really are (especially the Best Supporting Women Actress who said ONLY actors celebrate life or some bullshit like that). They make it so hard to root for them that I was actually happy with the Best Picture fuckup just to humble them a bit.
03-01-17, 08:29 AM
#294
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I didn't watch for two reasons: one, I didn't want to hear political rants. But mainly, the show has been increasingly less fun to watch as the years go on. It used to feel like a real celebration of movies, and as a movie geek, I'm all about that. But the pretension and self-seriousness are so over the top now, it's nauseating. Hollywood takes itself waaaaaaay too seriously these days.
03-01-17, 09:25 AM
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Also, ratings seem to fluctuate depending on the movies nominated. Considering La La Land and Hidden Figures were basically the biggest of the best picture noms, a decrease in ratings was likely expected.
03-01-17, 10:13 AM
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Once upon a time, popular favorites were good enough to also be Best Picture winners.
1961: WEST SIDE STORY
1962: LAWRENCE OF ARABIA
1964: MY FAIR LADY
1965: THE SOUND OF MUSIC
1967: IN THE HEAT OF THE NIGHT
1968: OLIVER!
1970: PATTON
1971: THE FRENCH CONNECTION
1972: THE GODFATHER
1973: THE STING
1974: THE GODFATHER, PART II
1975: ONE FLEW OVER THE CUCKOO'S NEST
1976: ROCKY
1977: ANNIE HALL
1978: THE DEER HUNTER
Most of these movies generated a lot of audience interest, and so did the Oscars, especially when you had the top stars of Hollywood past and present showing up, like Charlie Chaplin in 1973 and unexpected moments like Brando's sending in Sacheen Littlefeather to pick up his award, or the Streaker running past Elizabeth Taylor and David Niven, or the winners of Best Documentary Feature reading a congratulatory telegram from North Vietnam in 1975 and getting opposing reactions on air from both Frank Sinatra and Warren Beatty in quite a dramatic display of Academy discord.
When you have Best Picture winners like MOONLIGHT, BIRDMAN, SPOTLIGHT, THE KING'S SPEECH, ARGO, etc., the mass audience simply tunes out. I don't know if they're great movies or not, but they cater to a more specialized crowd than PATTON, THE FRENCH CONNECTION, THE GODFATHER or THE STING. And the airing of Hollywood's political views has become so commonplace that there's nothing unpredictable or unexpected about it.
So, yes, the Oscars have changed.
1961: WEST SIDE STORY
1962: LAWRENCE OF ARABIA
1964: MY FAIR LADY
1965: THE SOUND OF MUSIC
1967: IN THE HEAT OF THE NIGHT
1968: OLIVER!
1970: PATTON
1971: THE FRENCH CONNECTION
1972: THE GODFATHER
1973: THE STING
1974: THE GODFATHER, PART II
1975: ONE FLEW OVER THE CUCKOO'S NEST
1976: ROCKY
1977: ANNIE HALL
1978: THE DEER HUNTER
Most of these movies generated a lot of audience interest, and so did the Oscars, especially when you had the top stars of Hollywood past and present showing up, like Charlie Chaplin in 1973 and unexpected moments like Brando's sending in Sacheen Littlefeather to pick up his award, or the Streaker running past Elizabeth Taylor and David Niven, or the winners of Best Documentary Feature reading a congratulatory telegram from North Vietnam in 1975 and getting opposing reactions on air from both Frank Sinatra and Warren Beatty in quite a dramatic display of Academy discord.
When you have Best Picture winners like MOONLIGHT, BIRDMAN, SPOTLIGHT, THE KING'S SPEECH, ARGO, etc., the mass audience simply tunes out. I don't know if they're great movies or not, but they cater to a more specialized crowd than PATTON, THE FRENCH CONNECTION, THE GODFATHER or THE STING. And the airing of Hollywood's political views has become so commonplace that there's nothing unpredictable or unexpected about it.
So, yes, the Oscars have changed.
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03-01-17, 10:16 AM
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03-01-17, 10:17 AM
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Things I learned about the Oscars from the Adam Carolla podcast:
1. Jimmy asked Carolla to be a joke writer for the show.
2. During dress rehearsal an enormous portion of the set collapsed. It would have fallen on Jimmy had he not been rehearsing for a bit out in the audience. They wanted to use the footage of the collapse during the live broadcast. Adam wrote a dozen jokes about it. The Academy would not allow any discussion of the accident and the bit was scraped.
3. Many (perhaps even most) of the Trump jokes were written by Adam. I wouldn't say he's a Trump supporter, but he is soft on Trump, had him on his podcast during the campaign, and has defended some of his actions. Interesting that the Trump jabs were not written by a person with deep resentment for the dude.
4. With only three more awards to go, Adam told Jimmy, "This is it. You can just coast from here on out. All that's left is saying good night." This naturally cursed Jimmy and the ensuing blunder had to happen.
1. Jimmy asked Carolla to be a joke writer for the show.
2. During dress rehearsal an enormous portion of the set collapsed. It would have fallen on Jimmy had he not been rehearsing for a bit out in the audience. They wanted to use the footage of the collapse during the live broadcast. Adam wrote a dozen jokes about it. The Academy would not allow any discussion of the accident and the bit was scraped.
3. Many (perhaps even most) of the Trump jokes were written by Adam. I wouldn't say he's a Trump supporter, but he is soft on Trump, had him on his podcast during the campaign, and has defended some of his actions. Interesting that the Trump jabs were not written by a person with deep resentment for the dude.
4. With only three more awards to go, Adam told Jimmy, "This is it. You can just coast from here on out. All that's left is saying good night." This naturally cursed Jimmy and the ensuing blunder had to happen.
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03-01-17, 10:23 AM
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