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Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (Snyder, 2016) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread
06-22-16, 10:57 AM
#1051
DVD Talk Hero
Re: Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (Snyder, 2016) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Th
Yeah, the Ultimate Cut comes out on Tuesday for streaming, curious to see how well received it is.
06-23-16, 03:37 AM
#1053
DVD Talk Hero
Re: Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (Snyder, 2016) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Th
My dad and I saw this at the cheap theater on Sunday afternoon.
He thought it was too dark.
I liked Wonder Woman. BAffleck wasn't horrible.
Seemed really long.
He thought it was too dark.
I liked Wonder Woman. BAffleck wasn't horrible.
Seemed really long.
06-23-16, 03:44 AM
#1054
DVD Talk Hero
Re: Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (Snyder, 2016) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Th
Hoo boy. I managed to see this the other night and man it is just an unrelenting pile of excrement. I agree with Den of Geek's review that this is to The Dark Knight what Batman and Robin was to Batman Forever: An attempt to cash in on a cinematic trend in a franchise by dialing all the elements up to 11 without any regard for quality.
First off, this film is utterly soulless, with only one moment where any character looks like they want to do anything other than die quickly (Wonder Woman smirking after being knocked back by Doomsday). Snyder and Goyer make Superman just as emo as Peter Parker in Spider-Man 3, but at least Peter Parker got to dance. Batman kills dozens of people with guns mounted on the Batmobile and Batwing. Doomsday was tacked on, and the comment about the downtown area being largely abandoned because it's nighttime was such a shitty band-aid attempt to sidestep the criticism of Man of Steel's destruction porn.
This also has some of the weirdest pacing of any major film I can think of, with events happening seemingly at random with no regard to what came before or what needs to come after. Superman tells Lois he has to go face Batman, and you think "Finally!" What does the movie do? It then cuts to Wonder Woman watching videos that spoon feed us the rest of the Justice League in the most banal, ham-fisted way possible. How I yearn for the days of such cinematic subtlety as Jack Nicholson's Joker falling into an open vat of chemicals.
The plot is also dumb as nails. Lex tries to frame Superman by...shooting a bunch of people? Right, because Superman is so famous for shooting his enemies. If they really wanted to frame Superman, you'd think they'd use some kind of energy weapon to simulate Superman's laser eyes. Oh but wait, they have to use bullets for the other absurd plot point: Lois tracks down Lex by the bullets his mercenaries used, because those bullets were manufactured only by Lexcorp. What the fuck? Even if your plan was to convince the world that Superman killed those people, wouldn't you want to use bullets that could be bought at any Wal-Mart in America? Why create a bullet that can only be traced back to you? Only so Lois Lane can have something to do in this movie and make it look like she's such an amazing investigative reporter.
By far the best scenes in the film are those with Bruce and Alfred. I have to wonder if maybe Affleck was given some freedom to workshop those scenes with Irons, because I doubt Snyder was particularly interested in dialogue heavy sequences without anyone getting punched.
As has been mentioned thousands of times by now, the Martha moment is trite and lazy, coming not from any authentic place with the characters but simply out of the needs of the plot to have Batman and Superman kiss and make up so they can go fight a cave troll together.
There are so many things wrong with Batman v Superman, I could go on for days. This is such a poor foundation for the cinematic DC universe that fans can only hope the supporting pillars of the solo movies will be good enough to prop up this rotting structure. Fuck you Zack Snyder, you're making Michael Bay look like a sensitive, nuanced filmmaker.
First off, this film is utterly soulless, with only one moment where any character looks like they want to do anything other than die quickly (Wonder Woman smirking after being knocked back by Doomsday). Snyder and Goyer make Superman just as emo as Peter Parker in Spider-Man 3, but at least Peter Parker got to dance. Batman kills dozens of people with guns mounted on the Batmobile and Batwing. Doomsday was tacked on, and the comment about the downtown area being largely abandoned because it's nighttime was such a shitty band-aid attempt to sidestep the criticism of Man of Steel's destruction porn.
This also has some of the weirdest pacing of any major film I can think of, with events happening seemingly at random with no regard to what came before or what needs to come after. Superman tells Lois he has to go face Batman, and you think "Finally!" What does the movie do? It then cuts to Wonder Woman watching videos that spoon feed us the rest of the Justice League in the most banal, ham-fisted way possible. How I yearn for the days of such cinematic subtlety as Jack Nicholson's Joker falling into an open vat of chemicals.
The plot is also dumb as nails. Lex tries to frame Superman by...shooting a bunch of people? Right, because Superman is so famous for shooting his enemies. If they really wanted to frame Superman, you'd think they'd use some kind of energy weapon to simulate Superman's laser eyes. Oh but wait, they have to use bullets for the other absurd plot point: Lois tracks down Lex by the bullets his mercenaries used, because those bullets were manufactured only by Lexcorp. What the fuck? Even if your plan was to convince the world that Superman killed those people, wouldn't you want to use bullets that could be bought at any Wal-Mart in America? Why create a bullet that can only be traced back to you? Only so Lois Lane can have something to do in this movie and make it look like she's such an amazing investigative reporter.
By far the best scenes in the film are those with Bruce and Alfred. I have to wonder if maybe Affleck was given some freedom to workshop those scenes with Irons, because I doubt Snyder was particularly interested in dialogue heavy sequences without anyone getting punched.
As has been mentioned thousands of times by now, the Martha moment is trite and lazy, coming not from any authentic place with the characters but simply out of the needs of the plot to have Batman and Superman kiss and make up so they can go fight a cave troll together.
There are so many things wrong with Batman v Superman, I could go on for days. This is such a poor foundation for the cinematic DC universe that fans can only hope the supporting pillars of the solo movies will be good enough to prop up this rotting structure. Fuck you Zack Snyder, you're making Michael Bay look like a sensitive, nuanced filmmaker.
The pacing/edit was brutal. It felt like I was in the theater for four hours.
I am glad my kids didn't want to see it.
06-26-16, 02:52 AM
#1055
DVD Talk Legend
Re: Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (Snyder, 2016) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Th
Skipped through the Ultimate Cut tonight (it's out there on some streaming sites)... as expected, helps makes some things more understandable... but of course doesn't fix the bigger issues with the film. (the 3rd act Monster, Supes fate) You're at about 2hrs 15min after the Bat/Supes fight... should've ended there!
The Africa scenes make more sense now...and I think the violence here is what tipped it to an R rating (though I can't remember exactly what was in the theatrical version) Several scenes of Clark trying to do some investigative reporting, which actually I found to be the best additions... he takes a ferry over to Gotham... and that alone really helps you understand the distance between the two cities. Also some additional news/football scenes showing the rivalry and relationship between Gotham and Metropolis. Other than that... you have an F-bomb, Affleck rear end shot in the shower... other bits here and there. I think it overall improves the film, but it's still ridiculous that they ended up with a 3hr run time. Looking forward to the Blu-Ray next month.
The Africa scenes make more sense now...and I think the violence here is what tipped it to an R rating (though I can't remember exactly what was in the theatrical version) Several scenes of Clark trying to do some investigative reporting, which actually I found to be the best additions... he takes a ferry over to Gotham... and that alone really helps you understand the distance between the two cities. Also some additional news/football scenes showing the rivalry and relationship between Gotham and Metropolis. Other than that... you have an F-bomb, Affleck rear end shot in the shower... other bits here and there. I think it overall improves the film, but it's still ridiculous that they ended up with a 3hr run time. Looking forward to the Blu-Ray next month.
06-26-16, 10:02 AM
#1058
DVD Talk Hero
Re: Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (Snyder, 2016) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Th
06-28-16, 11:56 AM
#1061
DVD Talk Hero
Re: Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (Snyder, 2016) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Th
Yeah, $24.96 for the digital copy now + physical blu-ray in 3 weeks.
Seems reasonable. Especially considering it's already $19.99.
Seems reasonable. Especially considering it's already $19.99.
06-28-16, 11:57 AM
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Re: Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (Snyder, 2016) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Th
Yeah, $24.96 for the digital copy now + physical blu-ray in 3 weeks.
Seems reasonable. Especially considering it's already $19.99.
Seems reasonable. Especially considering it's already $19.99.
06-28-16, 12:13 PM
#1063
DVD Talk Hall of Fame
Re: Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (Snyder, 2016) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Th
No way I’m paying for shit but since there’s other ways to check it out, I did and I don’t see these “improvements” everybody who’s seen it is talking about.
06-28-16, 12:25 PM
#1064
DVD Talk Hero
Re: Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (Snyder, 2016) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Th
Yeah, $24.96 for the digital copy now + physical blu-ray in 3 weeks.
Seems reasonable. Especially considering it's already $19.99.
Seems reasonable. Especially considering it's already $19.99.
06-28-16, 01:14 PM
#1067
DVD Talk Legend
Re: Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (Snyder, 2016) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Th
Collider as a spoiler review:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSI2w1Q_PXk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSI2w1Q_PXk
06-28-16, 04:04 PM
#1069
DVD Talk Hero
Re: Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (Snyder, 2016) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Th
Just finished watching the ultimate edition and it's edited in a much better way. The subplots are more developed, especially the Africa part. Jena Malone's character was someone named
Nothing major there.
Spoiler:
06-28-16, 04:07 PM
#1070
Banned by request
Re: Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (Snyder, 2016) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Th
I thought she was going to be an agent of SHIELD. No sale! 
Last edited by E Unit; 06-28-16 at 05:36 PM.
06-28-16, 05:09 PM
#1071
DVD Talk God
Re: Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (Snyder, 2016) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Th
I'll just wait until the BD comes out in 3 weeks.
I don't need to see the extended cut that bad for $20.
I don't need to see the extended cut that bad for $20.
06-28-16, 05:19 PM
#1072
DVD Talk Hero
06-28-16, 06:16 PM
#1075
DVD Talk Legend
Re: Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (Snyder, 2016) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Th
If I see the extended cut I see it but if not whatever. I might consider buying the Blu-ray at some point but only if its under $10. So it'll be a while if I do and even then I'd probably only buy it if I like any of the future films in the DC Cinematic Universe and want it to complete a collection.