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Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (Snyder, 2016) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread
05-26-16, 10:35 AM
#1001
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Re: Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (Snyder, 2016) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Th
Marvel wasn't really reliant on Whedon though. He was just a piece of the puzzle for a couple films. Personally I know people like to bitch about Age of Ultron but I don't think it's that bad and it's definitely vastly superior to Batman V Superman. I'm in the minority but I actually enjoyed the sequel more than the original Avengers film.
I think DC knows they need to right the ship but I think it's going to be hard to shift the tone too dramatically from what's already been established. Hopefully they can at least get some better writers and directors going forward.
I think DC knows they need to right the ship but I think it's going to be hard to shift the tone too dramatically from what's already been established. Hopefully they can at least get some better writers and directors going forward.
05-26-16, 01:28 PM
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Re: Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (Snyder, 2016) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Th
Yeah. Whedon wasn't any creative force towards the future really. He was the best guy to set up all the characters in one film possibly but the Marvel train wasn't being driven by him. It was there moving along before he got there.
It will be a bitch to fix what Snyder (and Goyer) have influenced upon the creation of this franchise. Snyder has no original storytelling ability in him. The man can make amazing visuals.... which is weird cuz MoS and BvS had some very ugly but very technical shots in them too... but the man can't make a good story w/ any sound logic in design.
It will be a bitch to fix what Snyder (and Goyer) have influenced upon the creation of this franchise. Snyder has no original storytelling ability in him. The man can make amazing visuals.... which is weird cuz MoS and BvS had some very ugly but very technical shots in them too... but the man can't make a good story w/ any sound logic in design.
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05-29-16, 11:10 AM
#1003
Banned by request
Re: Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (Snyder, 2016) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Th
Sounds like Jeremy Irons wasn't a fan of the film.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/jeremy-ir...145800371.html
Jeremy Irons Doesn't Even Try to Defend 'Muddled, Overstuffed' Batman v Superman
Alfred Pennyworth may be Bruce Wayne's forever-loyal butler and best friend, but Jeremy Irons is not Alfred Pennyworth. Irons, one of the great actors of the last 40 years (remember that time he played twin gynecologists in David Cronenberg's lugubrious Dead Ringers?), and one of the few things we liked about Batman v Superman, did not jump up to defend Zack Snyder's maligned movie while speaking with The Daily Mail. When the Mail mentions the "kicking" the film received from critics, Irons says, "Deservedly so. I mean it took £800 million, so the kicking didn’t matter but it was sort of overstuffed..." He goes on: "‘It was very muddled. I think the next one will be simpler. The script is certainly a lot smaller, it’s more linear...I’m tied into The Batman at the minute, which is nice because it’s a bit of income…not that I need a bit of an income..." Irons also goes on to say that he has no interest in knighthood because he doesn't need more money and fame. That's what Batman v Superman is for.
From The Daily Mail article in which he comments on the next Batman movie
"That gives him the freedom to be entertainingly frank, starting with his most recent film, Batman v Superman: Dawn Of Justice, in which he played the loyal British butler Alfred. It was popular at the box office but got an absolute kicking from the critics.
‘Deservedly so. I mean it took £800 million, so the kicking didn’t matter but it was sort of overstuffed…’
He lets those words hang in the air, then laughs at the thought of a film described by one critic as the most incoherent blockbuster in years.
‘It was very muddled. I think the next one will be simpler. The script is certainly a lot smaller, it’s more linear.’
There’s no getting out of it now.
‘I’m tied into The Batman at the minute [the next instalment, Justice League Part One, is due next year], which is nice because it’s a bit of income…’
He knows exactly why I’m smiling at this, given that his worth has been estimated at £10 million"
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/even...red-actor.html
https://www.yahoo.com/news/jeremy-ir...145800371.html
Jeremy Irons Doesn't Even Try to Defend 'Muddled, Overstuffed' Batman v Superman
Alfred Pennyworth may be Bruce Wayne's forever-loyal butler and best friend, but Jeremy Irons is not Alfred Pennyworth. Irons, one of the great actors of the last 40 years (remember that time he played twin gynecologists in David Cronenberg's lugubrious Dead Ringers?), and one of the few things we liked about Batman v Superman, did not jump up to defend Zack Snyder's maligned movie while speaking with The Daily Mail. When the Mail mentions the "kicking" the film received from critics, Irons says, "Deservedly so. I mean it took £800 million, so the kicking didn’t matter but it was sort of overstuffed..." He goes on: "‘It was very muddled. I think the next one will be simpler. The script is certainly a lot smaller, it’s more linear...I’m tied into The Batman at the minute, which is nice because it’s a bit of income…not that I need a bit of an income..." Irons also goes on to say that he has no interest in knighthood because he doesn't need more money and fame. That's what Batman v Superman is for.
From The Daily Mail article in which he comments on the next Batman movie
"That gives him the freedom to be entertainingly frank, starting with his most recent film, Batman v Superman: Dawn Of Justice, in which he played the loyal British butler Alfred. It was popular at the box office but got an absolute kicking from the critics.
‘Deservedly so. I mean it took £800 million, so the kicking didn’t matter but it was sort of overstuffed…’
He lets those words hang in the air, then laughs at the thought of a film described by one critic as the most incoherent blockbuster in years.
‘It was very muddled. I think the next one will be simpler. The script is certainly a lot smaller, it’s more linear.’
There’s no getting out of it now.
‘I’m tied into The Batman at the minute [the next instalment, Justice League Part One, is due next year], which is nice because it’s a bit of income…’
He knows exactly why I’m smiling at this, given that his worth has been estimated at £10 million"
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/even...red-actor.html
05-29-16, 11:15 AM
#1004
Re: Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (Snyder, 2016) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Th
Sounds like Jeremy Irons wasn't a fan of the film.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/jeremy-ir...145800371.html
Jeremy Irons Doesn't Even Try to Defend 'Muddled, Overstuffed' Batman v Superman
Alfred Pennyworth may be Bruce Wayne's forever-loyal butler and best friend, but Jeremy Irons is not Alfred Pennyworth. Irons, one of the great actors of the last 40 years (remember that time he played twin gynecologists in David Cronenberg's lugubrious Dead Ringers?), and one of the few things we liked about Batman v Superman, did not jump up to defend Zack Snyder's maligned movie while speaking with The Daily Mail. When the Mail mentions the "kicking" the film received from critics, Irons says, "Deservedly so. I mean it took £800 million, so the kicking didn’t matter but it was sort of overstuffed..." He goes on: "‘It was very muddled. I think the next one will be simpler. The script is certainly a lot smaller, it’s more linear...I’m tied into The Batman at the minute, which is nice because it’s a bit of income…not that I need a bit of an income..." Irons also goes on to say that he has no interest in knighthood because he doesn't need more money and fame. That's what Batman v Superman is for.
From The Daily Mail article in which he comments on the next Batman movie
"That gives him the freedom to be entertainingly frank, starting with his most recent film, Batman v Superman: Dawn Of Justice, in which he played the loyal British butler Alfred. It was popular at the box office but got an absolute kicking from the critics.
‘Deservedly so. I mean it took £800 million, so the kicking didn’t matter but it was sort of overstuffed…’
He lets those words hang in the air, then laughs at the thought of a film described by one critic as the most incoherent blockbuster in years.
‘It was very muddled. I think the next one will be simpler. The script is certainly a lot smaller, it’s more linear.’
There’s no getting out of it now.
‘I’m tied into The Batman at the minute [the next instalment, Justice League Part One, is due next year], which is nice because it’s a bit of income…’
He knows exactly why I’m smiling at this, given that his worth has been estimated at £10 million"
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/even...red-actor.html
https://www.yahoo.com/news/jeremy-ir...145800371.html
Jeremy Irons Doesn't Even Try to Defend 'Muddled, Overstuffed' Batman v Superman
Alfred Pennyworth may be Bruce Wayne's forever-loyal butler and best friend, but Jeremy Irons is not Alfred Pennyworth. Irons, one of the great actors of the last 40 years (remember that time he played twin gynecologists in David Cronenberg's lugubrious Dead Ringers?), and one of the few things we liked about Batman v Superman, did not jump up to defend Zack Snyder's maligned movie while speaking with The Daily Mail. When the Mail mentions the "kicking" the film received from critics, Irons says, "Deservedly so. I mean it took £800 million, so the kicking didn’t matter but it was sort of overstuffed..." He goes on: "‘It was very muddled. I think the next one will be simpler. The script is certainly a lot smaller, it’s more linear...I’m tied into The Batman at the minute, which is nice because it’s a bit of income…not that I need a bit of an income..." Irons also goes on to say that he has no interest in knighthood because he doesn't need more money and fame. That's what Batman v Superman is for.
From The Daily Mail article in which he comments on the next Batman movie
"That gives him the freedom to be entertainingly frank, starting with his most recent film, Batman v Superman: Dawn Of Justice, in which he played the loyal British butler Alfred. It was popular at the box office but got an absolute kicking from the critics.
‘Deservedly so. I mean it took £800 million, so the kicking didn’t matter but it was sort of overstuffed…’
He lets those words hang in the air, then laughs at the thought of a film described by one critic as the most incoherent blockbuster in years.
‘It was very muddled. I think the next one will be simpler. The script is certainly a lot smaller, it’s more linear.’
There’s no getting out of it now.
‘I’m tied into The Batman at the minute [the next instalment, Justice League Part One, is due next year], which is nice because it’s a bit of income…’
He knows exactly why I’m smiling at this, given that his worth has been estimated at £10 million"
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/even...red-actor.html
05-29-16, 11:20 AM
#1006
05-29-16, 11:40 AM
#1007
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Re: Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (Snyder, 2016) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Th
Hoo boy. I managed to see this the other night and man it is just an unrelenting pile of excrement. I agree with Den of Geek's review that this is to The Dark Knight what Batman and Robin was to Batman Forever: An attempt to cash in on a cinematic trend in a franchise by dialing all the elements up to 11 without any regard for quality.
First off, this film is utterly soulless, with only one moment where any character looks like they want to do anything other than die quickly (Wonder Woman smirking after being knocked back by Doomsday). Snyder and Goyer make Superman just as emo as Peter Parker in Spider-Man 3, but at least Peter Parker got to dance. Batman kills dozens of people with guns mounted on the Batmobile and Batwing. Doomsday was tacked on, and the comment about the downtown area being largely abandoned because it's nighttime was such a shitty band-aid attempt to sidestep the criticism of Man of Steel's destruction porn.
This also has some of the weirdest pacing of any major film I can think of, with events happening seemingly at random with no regard to what came before or what needs to come after. Superman tells Lois he has to go face Batman, and you think "Finally!" What does the movie do? It then cuts to Wonder Woman watching videos that spoon feed us the rest of the Justice League in the most banal, ham-fisted way possible. How I yearn for the days of such cinematic subtlety as Jack Nicholson's Joker falling into an open vat of chemicals.
The plot is also dumb as nails. Lex tries to frame Superman by...shooting a bunch of people? Right, because Superman is so famous for shooting his enemies. If they really wanted to frame Superman, you'd think they'd use some kind of energy weapon to simulate Superman's laser eyes. Oh but wait, they have to use bullets for the other absurd plot point: Lois tracks down Lex by the bullets his mercenaries used, because those bullets were manufactured only by Lexcorp. What the fuck? Even if your plan was to convince the world that Superman killed those people, wouldn't you want to use bullets that could be bought at any Wal-Mart in America? Why create a bullet that can only be traced back to you? Only so Lois Lane can have something to do in this movie and make it look like she's such an amazing investigative reporter.
By far the best scenes in the film are those with Bruce and Alfred. I have to wonder if maybe Affleck was given some freedom to workshop those scenes with Irons, because I doubt Snyder was particularly interested in dialogue heavy sequences without anyone getting punched.
As has been mentioned thousands of times by now, the Martha moment is trite and lazy, coming not from any authentic place with the characters but simply out of the needs of the plot to have Batman and Superman kiss and make up so they can go fight a cave troll together.
There are so many things wrong with Batman v Superman, I could go on for days. This is such a poor foundation for the cinematic DC universe that fans can only hope the supporting pillars of the solo movies will be good enough to prop up this rotting structure. Fuck you Zack Snyder, you're making Michael Bay look like a sensitive, nuanced filmmaker.
First off, this film is utterly soulless, with only one moment where any character looks like they want to do anything other than die quickly (Wonder Woman smirking after being knocked back by Doomsday). Snyder and Goyer make Superman just as emo as Peter Parker in Spider-Man 3, but at least Peter Parker got to dance. Batman kills dozens of people with guns mounted on the Batmobile and Batwing. Doomsday was tacked on, and the comment about the downtown area being largely abandoned because it's nighttime was such a shitty band-aid attempt to sidestep the criticism of Man of Steel's destruction porn.
This also has some of the weirdest pacing of any major film I can think of, with events happening seemingly at random with no regard to what came before or what needs to come after. Superman tells Lois he has to go face Batman, and you think "Finally!" What does the movie do? It then cuts to Wonder Woman watching videos that spoon feed us the rest of the Justice League in the most banal, ham-fisted way possible. How I yearn for the days of such cinematic subtlety as Jack Nicholson's Joker falling into an open vat of chemicals.
The plot is also dumb as nails. Lex tries to frame Superman by...shooting a bunch of people? Right, because Superman is so famous for shooting his enemies. If they really wanted to frame Superman, you'd think they'd use some kind of energy weapon to simulate Superman's laser eyes. Oh but wait, they have to use bullets for the other absurd plot point: Lois tracks down Lex by the bullets his mercenaries used, because those bullets were manufactured only by Lexcorp. What the fuck? Even if your plan was to convince the world that Superman killed those people, wouldn't you want to use bullets that could be bought at any Wal-Mart in America? Why create a bullet that can only be traced back to you? Only so Lois Lane can have something to do in this movie and make it look like she's such an amazing investigative reporter.
By far the best scenes in the film are those with Bruce and Alfred. I have to wonder if maybe Affleck was given some freedom to workshop those scenes with Irons, because I doubt Snyder was particularly interested in dialogue heavy sequences without anyone getting punched.
As has been mentioned thousands of times by now, the Martha moment is trite and lazy, coming not from any authentic place with the characters but simply out of the needs of the plot to have Batman and Superman kiss and make up so they can go fight a cave troll together.
There are so many things wrong with Batman v Superman, I could go on for days. This is such a poor foundation for the cinematic DC universe that fans can only hope the supporting pillars of the solo movies will be good enough to prop up this rotting structure. Fuck you Zack Snyder, you're making Michael Bay look like a sensitive, nuanced filmmaker.
05-29-16, 01:12 PM
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Re: Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (Snyder, 2016) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Th
Hoo boy. I managed to see this the other night and man it is just an unrelenting pile of excrement. I agree with Den of Geek's review that this is to The Dark Knight what Batman and Robin was to Batman Forever: An attempt to cash in on a cinematic trend in a franchise by dialing all the elements up to 11 without any regard for quality.
First off, this film is utterly soulless, with only one moment where any character looks like they want to do anything other than die quickly (Wonder Woman smirking after being knocked back by Doomsday). Snyder and Goyer make Superman just as emo as Peter Parker in Spider-Man 3, but at least Peter Parker got to dance. Batman kills dozens of people with guns mounted on the Batmobile and Batwing. Doomsday was tacked on, and the comment about the downtown area being largely abandoned because it's nighttime was such a shitty band-aid attempt to sidestep the criticism of Man of Steel's destruction porn.
This also has some of the weirdest pacing of any major film I can think of, with events happening seemingly at random with no regard to what came before or what needs to come after. Superman tells Lois he has to go face Batman, and you think "Finally!" What does the movie do? It then cuts to Wonder Woman watching videos that spoon feed us the rest of the Justice League in the most banal, ham-fisted way possible. How I yearn for the days of such cinematic subtlety as Jack Nicholson's Joker falling into an open vat of chemicals.
The plot is also dumb as nails. Lex tries to frame Superman by...shooting a bunch of people? Right, because Superman is so famous for shooting his enemies. If they really wanted to frame Superman, you'd think they'd use some kind of energy weapon to simulate Superman's laser eyes. Oh but wait, they have to use bullets for the other absurd plot point: Lois tracks down Lex by the bullets his mercenaries used, because those bullets were manufactured only by Lexcorp. What the fuck? Even if your plan was to convince the world that Superman killed those people, wouldn't you want to use bullets that could be bought at any Wal-Mart in America? Why create a bullet that can only be traced back to you? Only so Lois Lane can have something to do in this movie and make it look like she's such an amazing investigative reporter.
By far the best scenes in the film are those with Bruce and Alfred. I have to wonder if maybe Affleck was given some freedom to workshop those scenes with Irons, because I doubt Snyder was particularly interested in dialogue heavy sequences without anyone getting punched.
As has been mentioned thousands of times by now, the Martha moment is trite and lazy, coming not from any authentic place with the characters but simply out of the needs of the plot to have Batman and Superman kiss and make up so they can go fight a cave troll together.
There are so many things wrong with Batman v Superman, I could go on for days. This is such a poor foundation for the cinematic DC universe that fans can only hope the supporting pillars of the solo movies will be good enough to prop up this rotting structure. Fuck you Zack Snyder, you're making Michael Bay look like a sensitive, nuanced filmmaker.
First off, this film is utterly soulless, with only one moment where any character looks like they want to do anything other than die quickly (Wonder Woman smirking after being knocked back by Doomsday). Snyder and Goyer make Superman just as emo as Peter Parker in Spider-Man 3, but at least Peter Parker got to dance. Batman kills dozens of people with guns mounted on the Batmobile and Batwing. Doomsday was tacked on, and the comment about the downtown area being largely abandoned because it's nighttime was such a shitty band-aid attempt to sidestep the criticism of Man of Steel's destruction porn.
This also has some of the weirdest pacing of any major film I can think of, with events happening seemingly at random with no regard to what came before or what needs to come after. Superman tells Lois he has to go face Batman, and you think "Finally!" What does the movie do? It then cuts to Wonder Woman watching videos that spoon feed us the rest of the Justice League in the most banal, ham-fisted way possible. How I yearn for the days of such cinematic subtlety as Jack Nicholson's Joker falling into an open vat of chemicals.
The plot is also dumb as nails. Lex tries to frame Superman by...shooting a bunch of people? Right, because Superman is so famous for shooting his enemies. If they really wanted to frame Superman, you'd think they'd use some kind of energy weapon to simulate Superman's laser eyes. Oh but wait, they have to use bullets for the other absurd plot point: Lois tracks down Lex by the bullets his mercenaries used, because those bullets were manufactured only by Lexcorp. What the fuck? Even if your plan was to convince the world that Superman killed those people, wouldn't you want to use bullets that could be bought at any Wal-Mart in America? Why create a bullet that can only be traced back to you? Only so Lois Lane can have something to do in this movie and make it look like she's such an amazing investigative reporter.
By far the best scenes in the film are those with Bruce and Alfred. I have to wonder if maybe Affleck was given some freedom to workshop those scenes with Irons, because I doubt Snyder was particularly interested in dialogue heavy sequences without anyone getting punched.
As has been mentioned thousands of times by now, the Martha moment is trite and lazy, coming not from any authentic place with the characters but simply out of the needs of the plot to have Batman and Superman kiss and make up so they can go fight a cave troll together.
There are so many things wrong with Batman v Superman, I could go on for days. This is such a poor foundation for the cinematic DC universe that fans can only hope the supporting pillars of the solo movies will be good enough to prop up this rotting structure. Fuck you Zack Snyder, you're making Michael Bay look like a sensitive, nuanced filmmaker.
05-29-16, 01:24 PM
#1010
DVD Talk Hero
Re: Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (Snyder, 2016) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Th
I like the Martha scene, even though I understand why it's become the focus of derision for haters. My hunch is that Affleck was given wide latitude with his solo Batman scenes to do what he wanted.
05-29-16, 01:55 PM
#1011
Banned by request
Re: Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (Snyder, 2016) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Th
I'm going to say slightly better than Prometheus because of the Affleck/Irons scenes.
Also the bat suit looked pretty crappy, IMO. I thought it looked bad in photos but assumed it would look better in motion on the screen. Nope.
Also the bat suit looked pretty crappy, IMO. I thought it looked bad in photos but assumed it would look better in motion on the screen. Nope.
05-29-16, 02:24 PM
#1012
DVD Talk Godfather
Re: Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (Snyder, 2016) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Th
I love the batsuit. We've had 7 movies featuring a black suit, the gray/black was very welcome.
05-29-16, 03:02 PM
#1013
DVD Talk Legend
Re: Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (Snyder, 2016) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Th
I don't mind the colors of the suit but it doesn't look very great. Even putting my personal bias for the comic it was inspired by aside its just not very visually appealing. I'd honestly prefer gray for the main body suit and a dark shade of blue for the cape, cowl, gauntlets, and gloves with the oval Bat logo and classic capsule style utility belt.
05-29-16, 04:14 PM
#1014
Banned by request
Re: Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (Snyder, 2016) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Th
The colors were fine, the absurd bulk was not. Affleck looked like he had walked out of a Hans and Franz sketch.
05-29-16, 04:25 PM
#1015
DVD Talk Legend
Re: Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (Snyder, 2016) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Th
Ah yeah I agree there too. The bulk was kind of goofy looking. I still overall am not a fan of the suit design though either.
05-29-16, 04:51 PM
#1018
05-29-16, 06:28 PM
#1020
Re: Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (Snyder, 2016) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Th
While I was out of town this weekend, I was curious to finally see this movie since it was available in my hotel room.
Price=$17.99.
I don't even think the blu-ray will cost that much.
Price=$17.99.
I don't even think the blu-ray will cost that much.
05-29-16, 11:26 PM
#1021
Re: Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (Snyder, 2016) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Th
Sounds like typical hotel overcharging. I guess to be fair it's still a couple of months or so from being released on home video. Did you end up seeing in your hotel room?
05-30-16, 12:29 AM
#1022
05-31-16, 12:45 AM
#1023
DVD Talk Hero
Re: Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (Snyder, 2016) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Th