Blu-ray and DVD sales - We're number 2, but we try harder
01-20-17, 09:31 PM
#4426
DVD Talk Special Edition
Re: Blu-ray and DVD sales - We're number 2, but we try harder
I guess part of it stems from the idea that once these titles are gone in physical form, that's it, they're gone.
If you look at the price of a lot of out-of-print titles, it's not just an irrational prediction that they may not be too easy to re-purchase.
Is my collection a dust-collector? Of course it is. An original Jackson Pollock painting worth millions of dollars is essentially a dust collector as well. There are those that think an original painting on their wall is no different than having the same image saved as a jpeg on their iPhone.
In completely practical terms, I suppose there isn't a difference - monetary-value aside, of course.
For myself, I like the artwork on the case and disc and just having them on a shelf regardless of their practical value as a two-hour piece of entertainment.
As an eight-year-old, I would flip through the newspaper and cut-out all of the movie ads and paste them into a scrapbook. Why? I loved the one-sheet artwork. At this impressionable age, movies had an elusive quality to them as I was too young to see most of them in the theatre. Seeing them on DVD or Blu-ray for cheaper than a chocolate bar, I figure "Why not?"
Should I decide to sell them, getting a buck or two back on each title probably won't be too difficult.
If you look at the price of a lot of out-of-print titles, it's not just an irrational prediction that they may not be too easy to re-purchase.
Is my collection a dust-collector? Of course it is. An original Jackson Pollock painting worth millions of dollars is essentially a dust collector as well. There are those that think an original painting on their wall is no different than having the same image saved as a jpeg on their iPhone.
In completely practical terms, I suppose there isn't a difference - monetary-value aside, of course.
For myself, I like the artwork on the case and disc and just having them on a shelf regardless of their practical value as a two-hour piece of entertainment.
As an eight-year-old, I would flip through the newspaper and cut-out all of the movie ads and paste them into a scrapbook. Why? I loved the one-sheet artwork. At this impressionable age, movies had an elusive quality to them as I was too young to see most of them in the theatre. Seeing them on DVD or Blu-ray for cheaper than a chocolate bar, I figure "Why not?"
Should I decide to sell them, getting a buck or two back on each title probably won't be too difficult.
01-21-17, 05:34 AM
#4427
DVD Talk Hall of Fame
Re: Blu-ray and DVD sales - We're number 2, but we try harder
I did the same thing as a kid. This was probably around 1965-69. I was fascinated by the posters, which seem liked completely unattainable objects back then, just like the movies themselves. I liked the different variations for the same movie and would save them all. Later I learned that many of the artworks used in these ads did not have corresponding posters. They only existed in the pressbooks.
01-21-17, 08:09 AM
#4428
DVD Talk Special Edition
Re: Blu-ray and DVD sales - We're number 2, but we try harder
Updated thru week ending 1/7/17
Table of Blu-ray sales (HMM and DEG)
numbers are in (revenue) millions.
Weekly figures are from HMM (Home Media Magazine)
Table of Blu-ray sales (HMM and DEG)
numbers are in (revenue) millions.
Weekly figures are from HMM (Home Media Magazine)
Code:
Week Date OD OD YoY DVD DVD YoY BD BD YoY BD Share TBO2015 TBO2014 1 1/7 77.17 -12.5% 52.10 -9.6% 25.07 -18.0% 32.5 % 45.6 138.3 2016 HMM 5453.79 -9.0% 3430.39 -13.5% 2023.41 -0.5% 37.1% 11887.0 10533.0 Q4 HMM 1846.85 -13.1% 1136.34 -13.3% 710.53 -12.9% 38.5% 3565.4 3309.2 52 12/31 94.19 -23.2% 59.19 -22.3% 35.01 -24.7% 37.2 % 69.0 109.1 51 12/24 282.55 1.6% 171.74 1.2% 110.81 2.1% 39.2 % 298.5 105.5 50 12/17 218.73 -17.6% 127.64 -19.2% 91.09 -15.3% 41.6 % 502.4 417.4 49 12/10 179.82 -17.0% 108.07 -14.0% 71.75 -21.2% 39.9 % 538.7 532.3 48 12/3 161.58 -3.7% 100.45 -8.4% 61.13 5.1% 37.8 % 233.7 19.6 47 11/2 280.33 -4.3% 173.78 -9.5% 106.55 5.5% 38.0 % 144.0 87.9 46 11/19 116.00 13.5% 65.09 -3.3% 50.91 45.8% 43.9 % 486.6 52.6 45 11/12 82.80 -24.8% 55.69 -20.7% 27.11 -31.9% 32.7 % 101.2 230.8 44 11/5 92.68 -27.5% 57.51 -25.7% 35.18 -30.3% 38.0 % 295.6 420.1 43 10/29 72.35 -29.5% 50.73 -22.6% 21.62 -41.6% 29.9 % 113.6 217.9 42 10/22 85.81 -35.3% 55.20 -19.1% 30.61 -52.4% 35.7 % 194.6 697.4 41 10/15 92.22 -13.7% 57.73 -9.6% 34.49 -19.8% 37.4 % 347.6 290.2 40 10/8 87.79 -11.6% 53.52 -19.2% 34.27 3.8% 39.0 % 240.2 128.4 Q3 HMM 1062.92 -7.8% 680.69 -14.7% 382.21 7.6% 36.0% 2480.1 2303.8 39 10/1 83.38 -28.0% 50.61 -29.4% 32.77 -25.8% 39.3 % 286.0 650.0 38 9/24 88.47 -6.9% 50.51 -18.8% 37.95 15.6% 42.9 % 158.3 185.3 37 9/17 100.88 -18.7% 56.65 -18.7% 44.22 -12.9% 43.8 % 521.4 584.4 36 9/10 80.07 0.1% 54.37 -7.1% 25.70 19.6% 32.1 % 141.9 43.9 35 9/3 86.79 -2.0% 56.56 -7.8% 30.23 11.0% 34.8 % 420.5 163.8 34 8/27 75.45 3.0% 51.95 -5.7% 23.50 29.4% 31.1 % 103.0 27.9 33 8/20 71.78 -5.7% 50.09 -12.0% 21.69 13.2% 30.2 % 128.5 7.8 32 8/13 65.55 -16.8% 47.80 -18.8% 17.75 -10.8% 27.1 % 4.2 67.2 31 8/6 75.00 -18.8% 51.34 -20.4% 23.66 -15.1% 31.5 % 78.9 166.8 30 7/30 77.19 -11.2% 50.45 -16.7% 26.74 1.3% 34.6 % 145.1 182.1 29 7/23 96.62 25.8% 53.10 -5.4% 43.52 110.3% 45.0 % 345.7 3.7 28 7/16 85.82 -6.5% 55.62 -12.8% 30.20 8.0% 35.2 % 140.2 185.9 27 7/9 75.92 -1.5% 51.64 -11.5% 24.28 29.7% 32.0 % 6.4 35.1 Q2 HMM 1188.41 4.3% 716.43 -9.5% 471.98 35.9% 39.7% 2985.4 1764.1 26 7/2 79.30 -1.7% 54.21 -10.4% 25.08 24.6% 31.6 % 185.8 115.1 25 6/25 77.13 0.6% 52.63 -6.9% 24.50 21.5% 31.8 % 72.4 0.1 24 6/18 98.65 1.9% 61.90 -4.9% 36.75 15.7% 37.3 % 175.5 100.5 23 6/11 107.74 19.3% 60.99 -1.2% 46.75 63.7% 43.4 % 431.8 185.5 22 6/4 76.29 -22.2% 51.94 -20.9% 24.35 -24.7% 31.9 % 73.8 309.0 21 5/28 73.60 -12.0% 49.82 -14.9% 23.78 -5.1% 32.3 % 140.1 23.6 20 5/21 77.54 -26.5% 50.34 -25.8% 27.20 -27.9% 35.1 % 61.1 376.0 19 5/14 107.18 23.1% 56.93 -6.0% 50.25 89.4% 46.9 % 403.3 34.5 18 5/7 81.33 -19.5% 55.32 -17.3% 26.02 -23.7% 32.0 % 112.7 251.6 17 4/30 78.19 -1.6% 52.00 -9.3% 26.19 18.3% 33.5 % 140.1 23.6 16 4/23 84.07 4.5% 52.84 -8.3% 31.23 37.0% 37.1 % 224.9 91.7 15 4/16 89.59 17.2% 53.25 -2.1% 36.34 64.8% 40.6 % 26.6 43.1 14 4/9 157.80 90.2% 64.26 9.0% 93.54 289.4% 59.3 % 937.2 7.8 Q1 HMM 1355.61 -14.1% 896.93 -15.7% 458.69 -10.9% 33.8% 2856.1 3156.0 13 4/2 91.71 -39.0% 61.35 -38.2% 30.35 -40.5% 33.1 % 118.1 333.7 12 3/26 145.35 0.1% 93.05 2.4% 52.30 -3.8% 36.0 % 433.8 498.8 11 3/19 112.95 0.7% 76.44 -0.2% 36.52 2.7% 32.3 % 294.4 260.6 10 3/12 99.52 -16.8% 68.43 -15.6% 31.08 -19.3% 31.2 % 162.6 114.5 9 3/5 86.02 -38.5% 60.05 -34.3% 25.97 -46.3% 30.2 % 184.1 350.9 8 2/27 106.70 -29.5% 71.62 -24.7% 35.08 -37.7% 32.9 % 186.8 303.2 7 2/20 98.44 -18.9% 69.29 -15.6% 29.15 -25.9% 29.6 % 101.2 218.7 6 2/13 122.01 -5.6% 79.65 -12.7% 42.36 11.3% 34.7 % 265.7 126.4 5 2/6 102.48 -15.3% 66.32 -21.2% 36.17 -1.7% 35.3 % 123.0 182.6 4 1/30 99.47 -10.2% 66.32 -11.6% 33.15 -7.1% 33.3 % 97.3 192.7 3 1/23 101.43 1.1% 63.96 -7.1% 37.47 19.2% 36.9 % 302.3 273.7 2 1/16 100.71 12.1% 62.20 -4.4% 38.52 55.4% 38.2 % 448.4 201.4 1 1/9 88.82 0.9% 58.25 -8.5% 30.57 25.4% 34.4 % 138.3 98.7 2015 HMM 5982.0 -11.6% 3959.60 -14.9% 2022.43 -4.6% 33.8% 10548.9 10507.6 Q4 HMM 2120.41 -6.6% 1312.11 -14.9% 808.32 11.2% 38.1% 3308.0 3199.3 52 1/2 122.55 1.1% 76.23 -9.2% 46.32 24.1% 37.8 % 109.1 103.7 51 12/26 278.08 5.8% 170.80 -6.4% 107.28 33.3% 38.6 % 105.5 7.1 50 12/19 265.13 -13.5% 159.63 -22.9% 105.50 5.9% 39.8 % 417.3 343.8 49 12/12 215.99 -13.0% 128.33 -20.5% 87.66 1.0% 40.6 % 532.3 410.0 48 12/5 167.01 -17.8% 108.97 -21.9% 58.04 -8.9% 34.8 % 19.5 291.0 47 11/28 292.88 -11.2% 191.68 -15.3% 101.20 -2.3% 34.6 % 87.9 165.5 46 11/21 101.56 -21.3% 66.89 -26.6% 34.68 -8.4% 34.1 % 52.6 324.7 45 11/14 109.57 -20.8% 69.83 -22.8% 39.74 -17.1% 36.3 % 230.6 391.6 44 11/7 127.41 -1.2% 77.03 -7.4% 50.38 10.2% 39.5 % 419.7 408.6 43 10/31 101.99 14.7% 65.10 -2.2% 36.90 65.0% 36.2 % 217.9 65.1 42 10/24 132.34 41.4% 68.00 1.9% 64.34 139.6% 48.6 % 697.0 157.5 41 10/17 106.67 -5.0% 63.65 -12.6% 43.02 9.2% 40.3 % 290.2 347.5 40 10/10 99.23 -6.7% 65.97 -7.0% 33.26 -6.2% 33.5 % 128.4 183.4 Q3 HMM 1147.35 -13.2% 793.83 -15.3% 353.52 -8.1% 30.8% 2299.4 2295.6 39 10/3 115.56 1.4% 71.34 -3.4% 44.22 10.3% 38.3 % 650.1 278.5 38 9/26 94.73 -2.5% 61.87 -11.4% 32.86 20.1% 34.7 % 184.7 156.0 37 9/19 120.04 -0.2% 69.38 -14.0% 50.66 28.0% 42.2 % 582.4 391.7 36 9/12 79.80 -28.5% 58.35 -20.4% 21.45 -44.0% 26.9 % 43.9 285.5 35 9/5 88.23 -0.7% 61.12 -10.2% 27.11 30.7% 30.7 % 163.6 40.0 34 8/29 73.03 -25.3% 54.90 -23.7% 18.12 -29.9% 24.8 % 27.8 66.3 33 8/22 75.79 -26.7% 56.68 -20.0% 19.12 -41.2% 25.2 % 7.8 217.1 32 8/15 78.42 -21.4% 58.56 -19.0% 19.85 -27.6% 25.3 % 67.1 93.1 31 8/8 92.02 -17.7% 64.19 -18.5% 27.83 -15.9% 30.2 % 166.8 283.1 30 8/1 86.59 -14.0% 60.24 -17.8% 26.35 -3.9% 30.4 % 181.8 187.2 29 7/25 76.44 -23.6% 55.78 -24.6% 20.66 -20.7% 27.0 % 3.7 147.7 28 7/18 91.34 -5.5% 63.42 -9.0% 27.93 3.6% 30.6 % 184.7 134.7 27 7/11 75.36 -5.9% 58.00 -4.7% 17.36 -9.7% 23.0 % 34.9 14.6 Q2 HMM 1136.2 -17.9% 789.33 -18.0% 346.83 -17.5% 30.5% 1763.1 1836.5 26 7/4 80.04 -10.1% 59.99 -9.6% 20.05 -11.6% 25.0 % 115.1 4.7 25 6/27 76.22 -21.3% 56.18 -16.9% 20.04 -31.5% 26.3 % 0.1 121.6 24 6/20 96.47 -18.9% 64.82 -15.8% 31.65 -24.5% 32.8 % 100.5 317.6 23 6/13 90.01 -21.9% 61.54 -19.8% 28.47 -26.0% 31.6 % 185.5 145.4 22 6/6 97.72 -12.0% 65.23 -11.7% 32.49 -12.6% 33.2 % 308.9 243.4 21 5/30 83.37 0.7% 58.42 -3.7% 24.95 12.7% 29.9 % 23.6 23.6 20 5/23 105.56 18.2% 67.81 6.1% 37.74 48.8% 35.8 % 375.9 189.1 19 5/16 86.81 2.2% 60.42 -2.7% 26.39 15.3% 30.4 % 34.3 72.1 18 5/9 100.88 10.2% 66.77 -0.7% 34.11 40.2% 33.8 % 251.6 5.7 17 5/2 79.35 -10.8% 57.24 -12.2% 22.11 -6.8% 27.9 % 225.1 51.6 16 4/25 80.42 -10.4% 57.62 -11.9% 22.80 -6.5% 28.4 % 91.6 0.1 15 4/18 76.44 -56.7% 54.38 -55.8% 22.06 -58.7% 28.9 % 43.1 296.7 14 4/11 82.89 -44.1% 58.91 -37.0% 23.97 -56.2% 28.9 % 7.8 365.0 Q1 HMM 1578.06 -12.1% 1064.33 -11.9% 513.76 -12.4% 32.6% 3178.4 3176.1 13 4/4 150.33 10.2% 99.28 9.4% 51.05 11.8% 34.0 % 332.0 165.9 12 3/28 145.19 -3.0% 90.83 -9.0% 54.36 9.1% 37.4 % 498.8 187.9 11 3/21 112.10 -53.7% 76.52 -45.3% 35.58 -65.1% 31.7 % 260.4 643.5 10 3/14 119.66 -11.6% 81.16 -13.1% 38.50 -8.3% 32.2 % 113.4 66.6 9 3/7 139.83 -1.7% 91.54 -14.1% 48.29 -18.6% 34.5 % 350.9 490.2 8 2/28 151.40 -2.6% 95.11 -3.3% 56.32 -1.4% 37.2 % 303.3 506.5 7 2/21 120.65 -5.2% 82.04 -7.6% 38.61 0.3% 32.0 % 216.5 0.2 6 2/14 129.22 -17.1% 91.16 -18.0% 38.06 -12.9% 29.5 % 126.3 162.8 5 2/7 120.93 3.2% 84.14 -0.7% 36.79 13.4% 30.4 % 184.4 147.1 4 1/31 110.66 0.4% 75.00 -3.0% 35.67 8.3% 32.2 % 192.8 319.5 3 1/24 100.24 4.2% 68.82 -1.4% 31.43 18.8% 31.4 % 273.7 196.0 2 1/17 89.84 -15.3% 65.07 -14.6% 24.76 -17.2% 27.6 % 201.2 261.7 1 1/10 87.99 -10.9% 63.66 -11.4% 24.34 -9.5% 27.7 % 124.8 28.2 2014 HMM 6783.24 -10.1% 4661.69 -11.0% 2121.58 -7.9% 31.3% 10450.6 10589.2 Q4 HMM 2267.71 -14.1% 1540.94 -13.0% 726.79 -16.4% 32.0% 3157.4 3445.0 52 1/3 121.21 -4.4% 83.90 -6.1% 37.31 -0.5% 30.8 % 103.7 24.5 51 12/27 263.04 -3.6% 182.27 -3.0% 80.77 -4.8% 30.7 % 7.1 83.9 50 12/20 306.48 -20.8% 206.91 -21.0% 99.57 -20.5% 32.5 % 343.4 406.9 49 12/13 248.11 -24.8% 161.33 -20.5% 86.78 -31.7% 35.0 % 409.4 618.1 48 12/6 203.22 -11.9% 139.51 -8.0% 63.71 -19.3% 31.4 % 291.0 235.1 47 11/29 329.76 -11.5% 226.35 -10.7% 103.42 -13.4% 31.4 % 165.5 80.0 46 11/22 128.77 -17.6% 90.97 -14.0% 37.81 -25.2% 29.4 % 324.7 354.1 45 11/15 138.26 -8.0% 90.36 -4.8% 47.90 -13.5% 34.6 % 391.5 380.3 44 11/8 128.78 2.9% 83.10 -5.6% 45.68 22.9% 35.5 % 408.5 209.3 43 11/1 88.60 -31.4% 66.32 -24.2% 22.28 -46.6% 25.1 % 65.1 302.2 42 10/25 93.20 -14.2% 66.38 -15.6% 26.82 -10.5% 28.8 % 157.1 212.5 41 10/18 112.00 -14.9% 72.69 -17.5% 39.31 -9.5% 35.1 % 347.4 293.7 40 10/11 106.28 -10.8% 70.85 -12.9% 35.43 -6.1% 33.3 % 182.9 244.6 Q3 HMM 1320.38 -8.6% 935.73 -8.5% 384.66 -9.1% 29.1% 2295.1 2305.5 39 10/4 113.89 -18.5% 73.80 -12.6% 40.09 -27.5% 35.2 % 278.5 288.6 38 9/27 97.15 -22.7% 69.79 -11.9% 27.37 -41.1% 28.2 % 155.7 414.8 37 9/20 120.20 5.5% 80.61 2.8% 39.59 11.5% 32.9 % 391.2 213.6 36 9/13 111.46 -16.0% 73.15 -14.5% 38.31 -18.7% 34.4 % 285.5 239.8 35 9/6 88.74 -18.9% 68.01 -17.8% 20.73 -22.1% 23.4 % 40.0 123.9 34 8/30 97.67 -16.3% 71.81 -15.8% 25.85 -17.5% 26.5 % 67.6 197.5 33 8/23 103.27 0.9% 70.74 -7.8% 32.53 27.1% 31.5 % 217.1 146.6 32 8/16 99.46 -2.2% 72.02 -4.6% 27.44 4.9% 27.6 % 93.1 130.3 31 8/9 111.46 4.8% 78.38 4.2% 33.08 6.2% 29.7 % 283.2 136.9 30 8/2 100.58 -3.3% 73.19 -2.7% 27.40 -4.7% 27.2 % 187.2 125.4 29 7/26 99.91 8.7% 73.88 3.1% 26.03 28.5% 26.1 % 147.6 3.9 28 7/19 96.55 -5.0% 69.59 -8.5% 26.96 5.5% 27.9 % 133.9 159.9 27 7/12 80.04 -19.4% 60.76 -20.2% 19.28 -16.8% 24.1 % 14.6 124.3 Q2 HMM 1381.45 -1.7% 961.09 -5.7% 420.37 8.6% 30.4% 1833.8 1735.1 26 7/5 88.88 -11.2% 66.22 -15.0% 22.66 2.3% 25.5 % 4.6 1.1 25 6/28 96.64 -0.7% 67.38 -8.4% 29.26 23.1% 30.3 % 121.6 78.1 24 6/21 118.84 8.1% 76.92 -2.9% 41.93 36.6% 35.3 % 316.3 135.0 23 6/14 115.15 -21.0% 76.72 -21.8% 38.43 -19.4% 33.4 % 144.9 334.5 22 6/7 110.91 -9.8% 73.74 -15.1% 37.17 3.0% 33.5 % 243.4 325.5 21 5/31 82.78 -10.1% 60.65 -12.9% 22.12 -1.4% 26.7 % 23.6 18.4 20 5/24 89.23 -13.7% 63.85 -15.3% 25.38 -9.3% 28.4 % 189.1 84.8 19 5/17 84.90 -11.9% 62.00 -12.3% 22.89 -10.9% 27.0 % 72.1 61.8 18 5/10 91.35 -22.5% 67.02 -19.8% 24.33 -29.0% 26.6 % 5.7 223.5 17 5/3 88.49 -15.2% 64.85 -14.1% 23.65 -18.2% 26.7 % 51.6 189.7 16 4/26 89.68 -11.1% 65.32 -10.6% 24.37 -12.3% 27.2 % 0.1 113.5 15 4/19 176.28 56.2% 122.89 54.5% 53.39 60.3% 30.3 % 295.8 162.8 14 4/12 148.32 45.2% 93.53 23.4% 54.79 108.0% 36.9 % 365.0 6.4 Q1 HMM 1813.70 -11.6% 1223.93 -14.2% 589.76 -5.7% 32.5% 3164.4 3103.6 13 4/5 136.35 6.0% 90.67 -1.5% 45.68 24.8% 33.5 % 165.9 0.4 12 3/29 149.53 -32.9% 99.72 -35.3% 49.81 -27.6% 33.3 % 187.8 297.1 11 3/22 241.91 18.3% 139.92 11.3% 101.98 29.5% 42.2 % 641.1 618.9 10 3/15 145.68 -10.9% 101.76 -8.6% 43.92 -15.8% 30.1 % 66.6 247.4 9 3/8 165.48 -15.3% 106.21 -20.7% 59.26 -3.4% 35.8 % 488.3 257.6 8 3/1 155.39 -12.4% 98.31 -23.9% 57.09 18.3% 36.7 % 503.8 315.7 7 2/22 127.22 -19.7% 88.74 -16.0% 38.47 -27.0% 30.2 % 0.2 247.3 6 2/15 155.64 -20.7% 111.97 -15.2% 43.67 -31.9% 28.1 % 162.8 368.9 5 2/8 117.08 -18.4% 84.67 -18.6% 32.41 -17.9% 27.7 % 144.0 171.1 4 2/1 118.53 -4.5% 84.08 -5.7% 34.46 -1.4% 29.1% 318.9 221.4 3 1/25 96.17 -7.9% 69.76 -11.4% 26.41 2.7% 27.5% 195.3 47.0 2 1/18 106.11 -10.2% 76.19 -11.5% 29.92 -6.8% 28.2% 261.6 213.6 1 1/11 98.61 -14.2% 71.93 -15.1% 26.68 -11.8% 27.1% 28.2 97.3 2013 HMM 7539.31 -8.3% 5242.51 -13.1% 2296.82 4.9% 30.5% 10668.2 10071.3 Q4 HMM 2766.93 -9.8% 1851.78 -14.0% 915.15 0.1% 33.1% 3728.2 3249.2 53 1/4 126.71 -11.6% 89.22 -14.9% 37.49 -2.5% 29.6% 24.5 67.2 52 12/28 272.62 14.2% 187.84 9.7% 84.77 25.6% 31.1% 83.8 11.9 51 12/21 386.85 -8.2% 261.74 -14.4% 125.11 8.2% 32.3% 406.8 284.4 50 12/14 330.14 -5.5% 203.04 -15.2% 127.10 15.7% 38.5% 617.5 493.4 49 12/7 230.30 -24.6% 151.36 -22.3% 78.94 -28.7% 34.3% 235.1 586.2 48 11/30 372.25 70.3% 253.10 64.6% 119.15 83.8% 32.0% 79.9 133.4 47 11/23 156.10 -60.0% 105.57 -62.3% 50.53 -54.0% 32.4% 354.0 85.0 46 11/16 149.93 -12.3% 94.62 -18.5% 55.31 0.9% 36.9% 376.1 326.6 45 11/9 124.86 -3.7% 87.74 -6.2% 37.12 2.7% 29.7% 209.3 315.0 44 11/2 128.93 2.0% 87.22 -9.4% 41.72 38.1% 32.4% 301.9 93.5 43 10/26 108.04 -27.3% 78.18 -28.3% 29.87 -24.6% 27.6% 212.5 227.0 42 10/19 131.05 -5.6% 87.75 -11.0% 43.30 7.7% 33.0% 293.5 350.8 41 10/12 119.64 -13.2% 81.55 -11.3% 38.09 -16.9% 31.8% 244.6 181.9 40 10/5 129.51 -12.4% 82.85 -14.9% 46.65 -7.6% 36.0% 288.6 93.1 Q3 DEG 1448.64 -13.4% 1011.45 -15.4% 437.19 -8.3% 30.2% (EST)273.9 15.9%(share) Q3 HMM 1401.22 -14.3% 1010.62 -16.4% 390.58 -8.4% 27.9% 2017.4 2145.2 39 9/28 125.64 -37.1% 79.05 -29.2% 46.59 -47.1% 37.1% 414.8 624.7 38 9/21 113.74 -4.1% 78.15 -13.1% 35.58 24.2% 31.3% 213.5 116.7 37 9/14 132.99 -1.9% 85.34 -15.8% 47.65 39.1% 35.8% 239.8 211.1 36 9/7 108.70 8.9% 80.72 -13.8% 27.98 8.9% 25.7% 123.8 46.5 35 8/31 114.52 -21.0% 84.31 -21.6% 30.21 -19.3% 26.4% 197.5 262.5 34 8/24 102.07 -29.3% 76.50 -28.1% 25.57 -32.7% 25.1% 146.4 105.5 33 8/17 101.24 -31.8% 75.14 -30.9% 26.10 -34.2% 25.8% 130.3 412.4 32 8/10 106.13 -8.3% 75.01 -13.4% 31.12 7.0% 29.3% 136.9 216.2 31 8/3 103.89 10.4% 75.15 -1.7% 28.74 62.5% 27.7% 125.4 0.1 30 7/27 91.47 -3.5% 71.25 -4.9% 20.21 1.8% 22.1% 3.9 18.5 29 7/20 101.61 -3.4% 76.01 -7.2% 25.60 9.8% 25.2% 159.9 81.0 28 7/13 99.26 -5.7% 76.13 -8.7% 23.13 6.0% 23.3% 124.3 59.6 27 7/6 99.96 -8.0% 77.86 -9.5% 22.10 -2.4% 22.1% 1.1 0.5 Q2 DEG 1457.26 -13.0% 1052.97 -16.7% 404.29 -1.5% 27.7% (EST)259.4 15.1%(share) Q2 HMM 1432.97 -13.2% 1031.66 -17.1% 401.32 -1.3% 28.0% 1777.3 2318.0 26 6/29 97.21 -21.8% 73.46 -20.8% 23.76 -24.7% 24.4% 78.1 350.5 25 6/22 109.92 -5.8% 79.23 -10.9% 30.69 10.7% 27.9% 135.0 98.6 24 6/15 145.76 -10.6% 98.08 -15.6% 47.68 1.9% 32.7% 334.2 275.5 23 6/8 122.79 -19.0% 86.72 -18.2% 36.06 -21.0% 29.4% 325.2 374.1 22 6/1 91.91 -18.9% 69.55 -20.2% 22.36 -14.4% 24.3% 18.4 37.0 21 5/25 103.15 -6.7% 75.17 -10.1% 27.98 3.8% 27.1% 84.8 178.2 20 5/18 96.09 -12.1% 70.43 -15.0% 25.67 -3.1% 26.7% 61.8 200.1 19 5/11 117.72 -5.1% 83.48 -11.5% 34.24 15.4% 29.1% 223.5 187.5 18 5/4 104.34 -4.3% 75.45 -12.1% 28.89 24.7% 27.7% 189.5 105.0 17 4/27 100.75 -4.2% 72.97 -8.6% 27.78 9.8% 27.6% 157.3 67.9 16 4/20 112.75 1.5% 79.45 -3.3% 33.30 14.9% 29.5% 162.8 236.0 15 4/13 102.06 -6.0% 75.74 -12.1% 26.32 17.6% 25.8% 6.4 51.8 14 4/6 128.52 -36.9% 91.93 -41.8% 36.59 -20.0% 28.5% 0.4 155.8 Q1 DEG 2098.83 2.1% 1455.55 -6.7% 643.28 28.5% 30.6% (EST)231.2 9.9%(share) Q1 HMM 2064.90 2.5% 1437.67 -6.2% 627.26 30.1% 30.4% 3169.8 2426.1 13 3/30 222.64 41.9% 153.75 26.4% 68.89 95.1% 30.9% 294.8 171.2 12 3/23 204.22 35.8% 125.59 14.6% 78.63 92.8% 38.5% 618.7 356.9 11 3/16 163.59 10.3% 111.45 -1.8% 52.15 49.6% 31.9% 244.8 279.2 10 3/9 195.09 19.0% 133.76 10.1% 61.33 44.3% 31.4% 256.6 216.0 9 3/2 177.32 15.9% 129.10 10.1% 48.23 35.0% 27.2% 315.6 82.3 8 2/23 158.25 -1.7% 105.48 -14.7% 52.77 41.6% 33.3% 251.0 274.4 7 2/16 196.00 -6.2% 131.73 -18.6% 64.27 36.6% 32.8% 368.6 16.2 6 2/9 143.36 -30.4% 103.88 -31.5% 39.48 -27.5% 27.5% 171.1 321.4 5 2/2 124.02 -15.3% 89.11 -19.9% 34.91 -0.8% 28.1% 221.2 118.7 4 1/26 104.36 -19.8% 78.68 -18.6% 25.69 -23.2% 24.6% 46.5 226.0 3 1/19 118.15 -7.3% 88.02 -14.7% 32.13 20.7% 27.2% 213.2 114.0 2 1/12 114.83 -8.9% 84.56 -13.8% 30.27 8.1% 26.4% 96.8 116.2 1 1/5 143.07 5.5% 104.56 -0.1% 38.51 24.4% 26.9% 67.2 134.3
01-21-17, 02:59 PM
#4429
DVD Talk Legend
Re: Blu-ray and DVD sales - We're number 2, but we try harder
Even if they just stop making the physical media altogether, you'll still be able to find tonnes of copies of most titles on the market - new and used. It won't be like vinyl where people are snapping up what's available on the market. There won't be a resurgence in DVD/BD down the road making demand eclipsing supply.
01-21-17, 06:37 PM
#4430
DVD Talk Special Edition
Re: Blu-ray and DVD sales - We're number 2, but we try harder
That's probably only applicable to companies that make a very small run, and ones like Criterion who's run is smaller and whose license of some titles expire.
Even if they just stop making the physical media altogether, you'll still be able to find tonnes of copies of most titles on the market - new and used. It won't be like vinyl where people are snapping up what's available on the market. There won't be a resurgence in DVD/BD down the road making demand eclipsing supply.
Even if they just stop making the physical media altogether, you'll still be able to find tonnes of copies of most titles on the market - new and used. It won't be like vinyl where people are snapping up what's available on the market. There won't be a resurgence in DVD/BD down the road making demand eclipsing supply.
Right now, DVDs have pretty much reached their lowest point of desirability. They're too old to be considered current tech and yet they're too new to be collectible.
If you have a burning need to re-buy Ocean's Eleven or The Matrix in five years from now, yeah, I'm sure it won't be much of a problem. There are lots of titles that are not officially out-of-print and yet you rarely see them at pawn shops, flea markets etc. How many people bought the Jack Nicolson movie "The Border"? How about Oliver Stone's "Salvador"? They're not fantastic films that sold thousands of copies so they're not titles you stumble across all that often.
The Blu-ray for such titles may be available from Kino, Olive or Shout! but at $15-$20a piece, you have to really want it.
01-21-17, 06:48 PM
#4431
DVD Talk Special Edition
Re: Blu-ray and DVD sales - We're number 2, but we try harder
I did the same thing as a kid. This was probably around 1965-69. I was fascinated by the posters, which seem liked completely unattainable objects back then, just like the movies themselves. I liked the different variations for the same movie and would save them all. Later I learned that many of the artworks used in these ads did not have corresponding posters. They only existed in the pressbooks.
Nowadays, everything is seen as cheap and disposable entertainment - quickly consumed and then disregarded.
I used to seek out the press kits, one-sheet posters and in the early-goings of eBay I would buy 35mm film trailers of my favorite films.
The movies really were much more than simply a two-hour chunk of amusement.
01-21-17, 09:23 PM
#4432
DVD Talk Hero
Re: Blu-ray and DVD sales - We're number 2, but we try harder
We can look to the VHS market for DVD's distant future. There are still some very collectible VHS tapes and many movies, mostly disposable I grant you, are locked to that format likely forever. It's not a thriving secondary market but a few still collect them. The rest are largely worthless.
The only VHS tapes I bothered keeping were the Superman movies for sentimental reasons.
I expect some entertainment to be "locked" to existing DVDs going forward. There are good reasons to believe we will never see officially licensed Dukes of Hazzard's DVDs ever again as one example.
The only VHS tapes I bothered keeping were the Superman movies for sentimental reasons.
I expect some entertainment to be "locked" to existing DVDs going forward. There are good reasons to believe we will never see officially licensed Dukes of Hazzard's DVDs ever again as one example.
01-22-17, 01:00 AM
#4433
DVD Talk Reviewer & TOAT Winner
Re: Blu-ray and DVD sales - We're number 2, but we try harder
The Blu-ray for such titles may be available from Kino, Olive or Shout! but at $15-$20a piece, you have to really want it.
01-22-17, 11:24 AM
#4434
DVD Talk Special Edition
Re: Blu-ray and DVD sales - We're number 2, but we try harder
After paying $40 a piece for laserdiscs and even $15-20 on average for DVDs, I have no problem paying that for Blu-Rays. Beats paying even $10 to "own" a streaming copy. (I'll never pay more than $5 for one of those, and even then it has to be something I want to see that's not available anywhere else at that price.)
Nowadays, the DVD can picked-up for $2 (used) and the Shout!-Kino-Olive Blu-ray is $15-$20. It's still a much wider price-spread - especially if you multiply that by 100+ titles or more.
01-22-17, 12:28 PM
#4435
Re: Blu-ray and DVD sales - We're number 2, but we try harder
So, it looks like that in the US disc sales were dismal in 2016. For the first time streaming best discs in revenue.
I'm not allowed to post links but that quote is from an article on flatpanelhd. There's also an interesting graph there that highlights how bad 2016 was for discs.
Same story in the U.K. where streaming also beats discs for the first time in 2016.
From The Guardian:
For the first time ever, streaming revenue eclipsed disc sales in 2016. For the full year, consumers in the US spent $10.3 billion on streaming ($6.2b on subscription streaming + $4.1b on electronic sales and rentals). Streaming revenue was up 15% over 2015. Subscription services like Netflix grew the most. Pay-per-view services like iTunes also grew but not as fast as in recent years.
Sales of DVD and Blu-ray on the other hand were down almost 9.5% (over 2015) to $5.5b and physical rentals were down 17.8% (over 2015) to $2.5b. Total disc revenue in the US in 2016 was $8b.
So $10.3b for streaming versus $8.0b for discs in 2016, according to DEG. And that is not even the full story because Amazon Prime Video revenues are not included in the figures.
Sales of DVD and Blu-ray on the other hand were down almost 9.5% (over 2015) to $5.5b and physical rentals were down 17.8% (over 2015) to $2.5b. Total disc revenue in the US in 2016 was $8b.
So $10.3b for streaming versus $8.0b for discs in 2016, according to DEG. And that is not even the full story because Amazon Prime Video revenues are not included in the figures.
Same story in the U.K. where streaming also beats discs for the first time in 2016.
From The Guardian:
Total revenues from digital video – which includes services such as Apple’s iTunes as well as Sky’s store and Now TV – surged almost 23% to £1.3bn last year.
The digital boost came as high street sales of DVDs and Blu-ray discs fell 17% to £894m – the first time it has fallen below the £1bn mark. The once mighty physical rental market fell 21% to just £49m.
The digital boost came as high street sales of DVDs and Blu-ray discs fell 17% to £894m – the first time it has fallen below the £1bn mark. The once mighty physical rental market fell 21% to just £49m.
01-22-17, 12:46 PM
#4436
Re: Blu-ray and DVD sales - We're number 2, but we try harder
Another point from the data: Digital HD purchases growth slowed down significantly. It only grew 5.4% down from 18% the previous year and 30% before that. Digital renting outpaced digital purchases for the first time by nearly $70 million dollars.
This is interesting because what happened in music appears to be happening in movies. People are giving up on the idea of ownership and choosing to subscribe to streaming services instead (and rent in such services like iTunes). Music is further along in this process where not only is disc media continuing its decline but digital purchases are also declining. Won't be long now until digital purchases of movies begins to decline and the industry has to confront and prepare for an all-subscription (and digital renting) future.
I wonder if this sort of data is the impetus for the rumoured talks behind making theatrical films available to digital purchasing for a significant premium. I wonder what kind of demand there is for that sort of thing?
This is interesting because what happened in music appears to be happening in movies. People are giving up on the idea of ownership and choosing to subscribe to streaming services instead (and rent in such services like iTunes). Music is further along in this process where not only is disc media continuing its decline but digital purchases are also declining. Won't be long now until digital purchases of movies begins to decline and the industry has to confront and prepare for an all-subscription (and digital renting) future.
I wonder if this sort of data is the impetus for the rumoured talks behind making theatrical films available to digital purchasing for a significant premium. I wonder what kind of demand there is for that sort of thing?
01-22-17, 12:59 PM
#4437
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Re: Blu-ray and DVD sales - We're number 2, but we try harder
It's not great news by any stretch of the imagination, but at least on the HD Talk side of the equation, I wouldn't go so far as to say 'dismal'. Blu-ray was basically flat year over year. Compared to DVD's dramatically more significant decline, that's honestly a sigh of relief for me. Growth, however small, would obviously have been better to see, of course. Still, Blu-ray does look like a viable format for at least the short term, and I'll take what I can get.
01-22-17, 02:57 PM
#4438
DVD Talk Hero
Re: Blu-ray and DVD sales - We're number 2, but we try harder
This is interesting because what happened in music appears to be happening in movies. People are giving up on the idea of ownership and choosing to subscribe to streaming services instead (and rent in such services like iTunes). Music is further along in this process where not only is disc media continuing its decline but digital purchases are also declining. Won't be long now until digital purchases of movies begins to decline and the industry has to confront and prepare for an all-subscription (and digital renting) future.
With music, people are most interested in individual songs, and they're going to listen to that music not only at home, but in their cars and at work, and while they're at the gym or jogging.
A lot of video viewing is going to be tied to televisions.
But I do think we're seing a big shift in how media is consumed, and streaming and rental is going to the only way to consume all music, tv, and film at some point in the future. Probably not ten years, but in twenty or thirty...
The younger generations don't really have any desire to own a lot of books, CDs, DVDs, or blu-rays. They're living in small apartments, and they're moving a lot. They don't want to be dragging a lot of stuff they have to drag around and take up space.
01-22-17, 03:06 PM
#4439
DVD Talk Special Edition
Re: Blu-ray and DVD sales - We're number 2, but we try harder
I haven't even bought a used DVD since well before Christmas (found a copy of the theatrical cut of Manhunter for $2 at Goodwill).
There's no new titles I absolutely have to have until Rogue One, and I have yet to see anything used at any of the places I usually go. My collection seems to be at a point where I have most of what I want and what I want doesn't show up used.
I think there's a lot of folks like me, that's just reached this point with their collecting.
There's no new titles I absolutely have to have until Rogue One, and I have yet to see anything used at any of the places I usually go. My collection seems to be at a point where I have most of what I want and what I want doesn't show up used.
I think there's a lot of folks like me, that's just reached this point with their collecting.
I’m with Jim, Milo, and Coral; my buying has become a lot stricter in the last 4 years or so. When I was in my late teens/early 20s, I was buying movies 2-3 at a time, sometimes weekly or bi-weekly, not out of some unrequited love for the medium, but because that was the only way I could see certain movies. Something would be mentioned on a web forum that sounded interesting, I’d buy it from wherever, watch it once, and never look at it again, even if I liked the movie. I really wish I would have seen back then what a waste of money it was, but then again, young adults aren’t known for being financially responsible. I’m still kicking myself for not joining Netflix sooner than I did (Aug. '09).
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01-22-17, 03:07 PM
#4440
DVD Talk Hero
Re: Blu-ray and DVD sales - We're number 2, but we try harder
Many Millennials and younger adults I've come across are actively hostile to owning physical media. Most of them are struggling in cramped, urban households with no space.
The all-streaming future is probably closer than most here would like to believe. I'm coming around to the belief that UHD will be the last physical format for Hollywood releases in the United States.
Retail support is still critical to keeping Blu-ray viable as a healthy format for a few more years. I saw what happened to the CD market when retailers decided to stop carrying them in stores.
The all-streaming future is probably closer than most here would like to believe. I'm coming around to the belief that UHD will be the last physical format for Hollywood releases in the United States.
Retail support is still critical to keeping Blu-ray viable as a healthy format for a few more years. I saw what happened to the CD market when retailers decided to stop carrying them in stores.
01-22-17, 03:12 PM
#4441
DVD Talk Special Edition
Re: Blu-ray and DVD sales - We're number 2, but we try harder
This is interesting because what happened in music appears to be happening in movies. People are giving up on the idea of ownership and choosing to subscribe to streaming services instead (and rent in such services like iTunes). Music is further along in this process where not only is disc media continuing its decline but digital purchases are also declining. Won't be long now until digital purchases of movies begins to decline and the industry has to confront and prepare for an all-subscription (and digital renting) future.
01-22-17, 05:00 PM
#4442
DVD Talk Legend
Re: Blu-ray and DVD sales - We're number 2, but we try harder
It's not great news by any stretch of the imagination, but at least on the HD Talk side of the equation, I wouldn't go so far as to say 'dismal'. Blu-ray was basically flat year over year. Compared to DVD's dramatically more significant decline, that's honestly a sigh of relief for me. Growth, however small, would obviously have been better to see, of course. Still, Blu-ray does look like a viable format for at least the short term, and I'll take what I can get.
If so, then it's a problem since it's not doing anything to grow HD physical media sales.
01-22-17, 05:38 PM
#4443
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Re: Blu-ray and DVD sales - We're number 2, but we try harder
We're still in year one too, so the install base can only move the needle so much. It doesn't help that of the 25 top selling Blu-ray discs of 2016, only 10 were released on UHD BD. (...and only 2 of the top 5, and only 4 of the top 10.)
01-23-17, 01:00 AM
#4444
DVD Talk Special Edition
Re: Blu-ray and DVD sales - We're number 2, but we try harder
Maybe they didn't think people would want to own movies or possibly the rental model gave them a greater sense of control over who owned the tapes.
I think pirating become more common as the player/recorder machines came down in price and allowed people to copy tape-to-tape (sounds so quaint now!) The studios countered this by selling the more popular films as "sell-through" titles with a retail price of $29.99.
The lower price not only sold more titles to the public but also allowed video stores to invest in buying more copies of hit films to rent.
With the streaming technology, we are going back to the rental model, which the studios feel is both very profitable and gives them a sense of control over their intellectual property.
01-23-17, 09:14 AM
#4445
DVD Talk Legend
Re: Blu-ray and DVD sales - We're number 2, but we try harder
But a lot of the titles I'm interested in are constantly having rights issues - like the Godzilla films and Mystery Science Theater, so she understands why I buy physical copies of those.
But I can see the studios re-embracing the rental model. Something becomes problematic with rights or even politically, yank it from streaming. I guess that's why we'll always need that thing we're not supposed to talk about.
01-23-17, 12:58 PM
#4446
DVD Talk Hall of Fame
Re: Blu-ray and DVD sales - We're number 2, but we try harder
This is the thing that really bothers me but I can't get my wife to grasp. We're not young, we're both in our 40's, but she has embraced the minimalism of the millenials, not because we can't afford it but because she doesn't like the clutter. She absolutely loves the streaming for TV, movies and music, and her Kindle for reading. We've gotten more into using the library for borrowing games and when we do purchase, more often it's digital (via Steam or something like Nintendo's Virtual Console).
But a lot of the titles I'm interested in are constantly having rights issues - like the Godzilla films and Mystery Science Theater, so she understands why I buy physical copies of those.
But I can see the studios re-embracing the rental model. Something becomes problematic with rights or even politically, yank it from streaming. I guess that's why we'll always need that thing we're not supposed to talk about.
But a lot of the titles I'm interested in are constantly having rights issues - like the Godzilla films and Mystery Science Theater, so she understands why I buy physical copies of those.
But I can see the studios re-embracing the rental model. Something becomes problematic with rights or even politically, yank it from streaming. I guess that's why we'll always need that thing we're not supposed to talk about.
01-23-17, 01:23 PM
#4447
DVD Talk Hero
Re: Blu-ray and DVD sales - We're number 2, but we try harder
No one owns anything on the cloud, no matter what the studios tell you. Hollywood is actually trying to get a law passed that it's criminal to share your password/log-in credentials on sites like VUDU and HBO Go outside your own family.
01-23-17, 06:26 PM
#4448
DVD Talk Hero
Re: Blu-ray and DVD sales - We're number 2, but we try harder
Not sure if this is discussed elsewhere in the forum but what's up with the dozens of titles put on sale at 10 bucks this week, including a lot of recent blockbuster releases like the recent Star Trek, Bourne, Suicide Squad, Storks, etc.? I think Target started and Best Buy and Amazon are just following them, but I'm not sure. It certainly is conditioning me not to buy stuff on release, even for a nifty steelbook.
01-23-17, 07:42 PM
#4449
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Re: Blu-ray and DVD sales - We're number 2, but we try harder
1 month since most of those titles were released and now they're at holiday sale prices. Not sure why that is. I remember in the previous years how we saw zero sales on sale in January after the holiday hoopla. I don't mind, I just find it strange as well we're getting prices like this so early in the year. Makes me wonder how sales are going to pan out throughout the year.
01-23-17, 08:43 PM
#4450
DVD Talk Special Edition
Re: Blu-ray and DVD sales - We're number 2, but we try harder
I thought with UV that you're allowed to share your collection with a certain number of other users (I forgot the limit), regardless of who they are. And since Hollywood is mostly behind UV, it would make no sense to pass a law like that.