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Old 06-09-15 | 04:16 PM
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Here, I'll blow your mind: In game footage of Beyond Good and Evil 2 and The Last Guardian.

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Both launch titles for PS5 (which comes with a free version of #Driveclub 2)
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Here. Have a new Ratchet & Clank.

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Originally Posted by Deftones
Can we officially name this generation the remaster generation? Jesus.
It's getting ridiculous with this generation so far.

I'll take sequels over remasters. Is the market really there for all these re-dos? Once I play a game, I am basically done with it never to revisit with just a few minor exceptions (Halo). Do that many people go back and replay the same games again? Unless you missed them the first time, I just don't see the point on most games.
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Nope. I tried to go back and play the Halo games and couldn't make it 30 minutes without nodding off. And that stands true for a multitude of games. But I do in general like classic gaming.

But really we haven't had that many remasters, there are just so few new titles that it really stands out. And most are for series' that are continuing (I assume there will be more Borderlands, Halo and God of War games. Amongst others.)

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Old 06-10-15 | 11:16 AM
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Is the market really there for all these re-dos? Do that many people go back and replay the same games again?
Yes and yes.

I didn't use my PS3 much for gaming. So remastered versions of The Last of Us, God of War and Uncharted are appreciated. Xbox 360 was the preferred platform in many regions last year, and so with the PS4 being the dominant console now, it's a whole new audience.

I never played Mirror's Edge either. A lot of people didn't. Hence why it wasn't really a smash hit.

Also, there are games I'd play again in a heartbeat if they were remastered. I'll buy Mass Effect 1-3 again on day one. Burnout Paradise. The first few Assassin Creed games (through Brotherhood). Dead Space 1-2.
Old 06-10-15 | 11:23 AM
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In lieu of backwards-compatibility with these consoles, remasters are the only way to really preserve them going forward if no alternative is presented (like Steam or Origin or GOG) and you don't want to resort to piracy and emulation.

If a game was good in 2005, why can't it be good in 2015? Now excuse me while I get back to Wing Commander and Tie Fighter while I clear my plate for Mega Man Legacy soon.
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And they are doing work on these games to make them look and run better. I loved Saints Row 4 but that game had some serious performance issues on consoles. The new version runs much better, and so that's the one I'd want to play going forward.
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And they are doing work on these games to make them look and run better. I loved Saints Row 4 but that game had some serious performance issues on consoles. The new version runs much better, and so that's the one I'd want to play going forward.
R&C looks to be much more visually impressive.
Dark Souls 2 runs at a solid 60fps and 1080p on the PS4, and runs in 1080p on the Xbox One (not the case on the 360/PS2)
Uncharted is 3 games in one, running at a higher resolution and presumably better framerate.
Halo MCC has remastered versions of most of its content and is like 5 games in one.

I think stuff like Far Cry 3 should be redone moreso than what is. That was a fun game hampered but an atrocious framerate on the Xbox 360 / PS 3.

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Old 06-10-15 | 11:54 AM
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There are some really great games on the PS2 I kind of wish be remaster on PS4. Case in points The Champions of Norrath. Can't tell you how many times I played this game to death. The ants tunnel and the vampire castle were mine favorite places to fight.
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R&C looks to be much more visually impressive.
Dark Souls 2 runs at a solid 60fps and 1080p on the PS4, and runs in 1080p on the Xbox One (not the case on the 360/PS2)
Uncharted is 3 games in one, running at a higher resolution and presumably better framerate.
Halo MCC has remastered versions of most of its content and is like 5 games in one.

I think stuff like Far Cry 3 should be redone moreso than what is. That was a fun game hampered but an atrocious framerate on the Xbox 360 / PS 3.
I still don't understand why we didn't get a remastered FC3. I stopped playing on 360 because it was so clunky. I want a reason to go back to it.

Also weird that the two big powerhouses, Ubisoft and EA, aren't on the remaster train.
Old 06-10-15 | 12:18 PM
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Re: The Official E3 Thread of Xbox One Superiority - June 16-18, 2015

Originally Posted by chuckd21
Yes and yes.

I didn't use my PS3 much for gaming. So remastered versions of The Last of Us, God of War and Uncharted are appreciated. Xbox 360 was the preferred platform in many regions last year, and so with the PS4 being the dominant console now, it's a whole new audience.
You basically summed it up for me. TLoU wasn't the deciding factor for me grabbing a PS4, but it was a great game to finally play through. I'd welcome more remasters based on that one alone.

I never played Mirror's Edge either. A lot of people didn't. Hence why it wasn't really a smash hit.
Same.

Also, there are games I'd play again in a heartbeat if they were remastered. I'll buy Mass Effect 1-3 again on day one. Burnout Paradise. The first few Assassin Creed games (through Brotherhood). Dead Space 1-2.
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Old 06-10-15 | 12:38 PM
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Re: The Official E3 Thread of Xbox One Superiority - June 16-18, 2015

Originally Posted by RichC2
R&C looks to be much more visually impressive.
I wouldn't lump Ratchet and Clank (which is somewhere in between a remake and a reboot) with the remasters, personally.
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I wouldn't lump Ratchet and Clank (which is somewhere in between a remake and a reboot) with the remasters, personally.
Fair enough. As a non-fan of R&C I am curious if they make the game more fun to play.

As far out of left field a comment as can be: I was reading a "best of NES" list that mentioned Nintendo liked Crystalis enough to license it from SNK to make their own Gameboy Color remake a decade after the original release. I want them to do that again but for, you know, the Wii U. I would absolutely kill for a plot infused Zelda-esque post apocalyptic action-RPG right now that didn't move at an iceberg's pace I'd also take it as a Bastard!! game that played like Bloodborne.

That is all.

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I didn't think Mirror's Edge was a remaster either. It sounded like they were making a new game in the series, just not a sequel to the last game (that I did actually finish and enjoy).
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I'm with those who are tired of remasters in general. Don't get me wrong, I loved GTA5, TLoU, Uncharted 2, Saints Row 4, the original Resident Evils, the Halo series and so on and so forth. But my gaming time is fairly limited these days and I have no desire to spend 10-20 (or more) hours on a game I've already beaten, when I've got a backlog of games I've yet to experience for the first time. That said, they're nice for people who missed a title the first time around. For example, with Bloodborne being the first From Software game I've played through, I'm glad that I can pick up a comprehensive version of Dark Souls 2 to play through now. But I have zero interest in revisiting games I've already played.
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I'm with those who are tired of remasters in general. Don't get me wrong, I loved GTA5, TLoU, Uncharted 2, Saints Row 4, the original Resident Evils, the Halo series and so on and so forth. But my gaming time is fairly limited these days and I have no desire to spend 10-20 (or more) hours on a game I've already beaten, when I've got a backlog of games I've yet to experience for the first time. That said, they're nice for people who missed a title the first time around. For example, with Bloodborne being the first From Software game I've played through, I'm glad that I can pick up a comprehensive version of Dark Souls 2 to play through now. But I have zero interest in revisiting games I've already played.
You didn't give any reasons to support why you're tired of remasters. Sounds like you're indifferent.
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I don't have a problem with remasters done right, but I have a problem with the influx of remasters from games from the last generation; especially those that only give you a single game at full retail price.

Despite its (still on-going) problems, Halo: The Master Chief Collection is a fantastic concept. All four games run in 1080p/60, two of the games are playable in both their original and "remastered" editions, and the multiplayer aspect can jump in-and-out of each game with all multiplayer maps and modes included. I want more remasters like that.

Borderlands: The Handsome Jack Collection was good, but I still don't grasp why 2K/Gearbox didn't throw in the first game as all three games use the same engine.
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as all three games use the same engine.
They don't. In fact there was an interview to Randy Pitchford (after the PAX South one) where he said that originally it was going to just be BL2 ported because BL1 used a different (or different enough) engine. But during the port, the company doing it found that the engine for the Pre-Sequel was close enough that it would only take a minute additional investment to get it to work.

This might have been on Major Nelson's podcast right around when the collection launched back in March.

Is that true? I don't know.
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They don't. In fact there was an interview to Randy Pitchford (after the PAX South one) where he said that originally it was going to just be BL2 ported because BL1 used a different (or different enough) engine. But during the port, the company doing it found that the engine for the Pre-Sequel was close enough that it would only take a minute additional investment to get it to work.

This might have been on Major Nelson's podcast right around when the collection launched back in March.

Is that true? I don't know.
I sense that's bullshit as the engine for The Pre-Sequel is not only the exact same as Borderlands 2, but it even uses the same assets. That was 2K/Gearbox's original excuse for why the game was only being released on the Xbox 360 and PS3. All three games use Unreal Engine 3. BL2 might've tweaked it for the improved assets, but UE makes it easy to port from platform-to-platform.

While being a single collection, the games are individual files on the Xbox One and PS4. They could've easily ported the PC edition of BL1, had it hit 1080p/60, and called it a day. The only difference between the Xbox One/PS4 editions of the game compared to PC/PS3/360 is the split-screen co-op.
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I don't have a problem with remasters done right, but I have a problem with the influx of remasters from games from the last generation; especially those that only give you a single game at full retail price.

Despite its (still on-going) problems, Halo: The Master Chief Collection is a fantastic concept. All four games run in 1080p/60, two of the games are playable in both their original and "remastered" editions, and the multiplayer aspect can jump in-and-out of each game with all multiplayer maps and modes included. I want more remasters like that.

Borderlands: The Handsome Jack Collection was good, but I still don't grasp why 2K/Gearbox didn't throw in the first game as all three games use the same engine.
Yeah. If you are going to do a remaster, that is the way to go. And if it doesn't have a lot of prior games or DLC to throw in, at least make it inexpensive.
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Re: The Official E3 Thread of Xbox One Superiority - June 16-18, 2015

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I still don't understand why we didn't get a remastered FC3. I stopped playing on 360 because it was so clunky. I want a reason to go back to it.

Also weird that the two big powerhouses, Ubisoft and EA, aren't on the remaster train.
The one that surprises me is Gran Turismo 6. I was a little surprised it was released on the PS3 at all, but I don't know why it hasn't been remastered yet - especially considering that XBO had Forza from day one and Sony had nothing to really compete with it.

Maybe they figured most of the target audience would just wait for (and buy) Project CARS instead?
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Just because the Borderlands games might all use Unreal Engine 3 doesn't mean there weren't enough modifications between game releases that would make it a bigger pain to port the first game. Unless you're a programmer at Gearbox, blanket statements about whether the first game could have easily been added really has no bearing.
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You didn't give any reasons to support why you're tired of remasters. Sounds like you're indifferent.
I guess it's more that I'm tired of publishers focusing on them. It feels like a cheap diversion from the fact that they're not putting out a lot of quality new titles. I mean, we're a year and a half into this generation and it feels like we're significantly behind previous generations in terms of great new games for the systems. Maybe that's looking at the past with rose tinted glasses, but this far into last gen, I don't recall half the major titles being remasters of Xbox and ps2 games.
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Originally Posted by maxfisher
I'm with those who are tired of remasters in general. Don't get me wrong, I loved GTA5, TLoU, Uncharted 2, Saints Row 4, the original Resident Evils, the Halo series and so on and so forth. But my gaming time is fairly limited these days and I have no desire to spend 10-20 (or more) hours on a game I've already beaten, when I've got a backlog of games I've yet to experience for the first time. That said, they're nice for people who missed a title the first time around. For example, with Bloodborne being the first From Software game I've played through, I'm glad that I can pick up a comprehensive version of Dark Souls 2 to play through now. But I have zero interest in revisiting games I've already played.
I don't know if I'd lump GTA V in as a remaster, at least not in the same vein as the others. GTA is still being updated with new content, like the recent Heist release. And with the improved graphics and load times, it's just so much easier to dive into the PS4 version over going back to the PS3.


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