K&AJones

I'll have to try the short next time going after her. I have my stamina up high enough where I can get 2-3 swings and still roll out. but using the short with some quicker strikes seems like a good idea. Just got to worry about those darn lasers which seem to hit me no matter where I am.

like the co-op part but despise the probability of Invaders. I'm there to collect, look around and tackle everything I can on the map. If I wanted PvP then there should be a area for it like every other game out there. Just MHO...

RichC2

Yeah, I don't think Insight affects actual enemy difficulty, but it will add obstacles and such since the more knowledgeable you are about what's actually happening, the more these things try to take you down (or the more you understand, the more you can see. Either way works really.)

Dan

Once again, thanks for the.. umm.. insight guys. I appreciate it. I'm finding that farming in Old Yharnam is more rewarding than in Central Yharnam. Far more echoes in less time... but less blood vials. I'm barely needing those, except for during boss fights, so it's not like I'm running short anyway.

Yeah... I haven't experienced an invasion yet (I play offline because I haven't bit the bullet on PS+ yet), but based on what I've heard, that would be infuriating. I think a "true" PvP mode would be more fulfilling.

RichC2

If you can kill the Werewolves just before BSB, they're worth something like 980 blood echoes a piece, pretty hefty compared to a lot of things at that point in the game

jdodd

I'm very close to the end of the game so I've sort of put the main game on hold and have been going through the chalice dungeons. Does anything about the dungeons (difficulty, progress, etc) change if you complete the game and start NG+? In other words, do I need to put the main game on hold to keep going with the dungeons or will it be no different if I complete the game and start NG+?

RichC2

I do believe the Chalice Dungeons stay the same in NG+ and do not receive a boost in difficulty.

maxfisher

Nope, dungeons carry over separately into the new game+ and are unaffected, so feel to wrap things up and tackle them later.

Unrelated, does anyone who's done the first Ailing Loran dungeon recall if they were getting crazy high blood echoes from it? When I started my new game+, I equipped both of the runes i have for extra blood echoes and I pulled over 150k from the first level of the dungeon. I also pulled over 200k clearing out Central Yharnam sans bosses. I did Central Yharnam first and thought that new game+ must give tons more echoes, but the high number in Ailing Loran is making me wonder if those runes aren't super helpful. I've jumped from under level 100 when finishing the game to 115 in new game+ and I'm not even to Gascoine yet.

RichC2

That almost sounds like something broke, I sure as shit didn't get that many blood echoes play through NG+ in Central Yharnam. I only recall getting a 3% boost with each Rune.

maxfisher

Actually, I just looked it up and the echoes runes are 20%, 40% & 60%, but I only have the first two to equip. So having them both up is either 60% or 68%, depending on if they stack. In the first area in the first Ailing Loran chalice, where there are a bunch of the hooded ghouls, I was getting ~5k/small and ~8k/big. That would make the pre-rune values around 3k and 5k.

RichC2

Good to know, I need to reequip those runes.

LorenzoL

I just started the game this morning. WTF did I get myself into?

dom56

Hello, my name is Lorenzol and I'm a Bloodborne addict.

RichC2

Either 1 hour of frustration or 50 hours of enjoyment. Seems to work either way

dsa_shea

The 1-10 hours of frustration are a given. That is called the breaking in or get broken period. After that, you can actually start making some progress.

RichC2

Yeah, it was a joke about rage quitting.

dsa_shea

I damn near gave up on this game until I figured out how to level up and then destroyed the Cleric Beast. I still have not finished the game but I'm nowhere near as frustrated with it as I was during that first 5 hour or so period.

LorenzoL

Just started and I'm trying to figure out where and what I have to do. I can't fight anyone since I don't have any weapons so I'm trying to figure out what to do.

dsa_shea

Get killed by that werewolf and then you will get taken to the Hunter's Dream. Good luck!

RichC2

Enjoy the confusing "Huh?" bits, it all makes so much sense as you progress and you get a lot of "a-ha!" moments from it.

maxfisher

Picked my new game+ back up last night and figure I'll keep on with it at least until Arkham Knight comes out next week. Honestly, I'm pretty surprised how easy it is so far. I took out Gascoigne on my second try last night and it only took two because I got stuck between a tombstone and tree after he transformed on the first one. Also, equipping the two blood echo ruins makes it stupid easy to level up. I had around 20k when I got to Gascoigne. I beat him, went through Cathedral Ward and then cleared out Old Yharnam up to BSB before running back to a lantern to level up and call it a night. That run netted me ~340k. I cleared a floor of the first Ailing Loran dungeon also and went from level 113 to 119 with a couple hours of playing.

LorenzoL

It took me approximately 7 hours (it felt longer) of dying constantly to figure out the fighting and dodging control scheme of this game. I played the first Demon Souls game which I sucked badly and didn't get very far in the first Dark Souls game. After figuring the differing combinations of long and short range weapons I could use, it finally clicked and found the fighting scheme intuitive and I'm enjoying this game even though I'm still dying at a fairly fast rate. I guess the difficulty comes in having so very few save points and having to restart the whole stage if you die before saving...

The sad part is that I'm still in Central Yarnham and at first kept dying at the hand of those two Scourge Beast in front of the bridge that I finally went and look up a guide to see if there was another way to avoid them or kill them. Imagine my surprise when I found another way to go around them and then kill them.

There's no way I'm going to get a platinum in this game but at least it doesn't feel I wasted my money on it.

BTW, I'm playing this offline.

RichC2

The save points mostly aren't a problem in the game, there's 1 per area (and 1 per boss after you beat them, but I think that's more of a courtesy so you can get back to the Hunter's Dream) but there are numerous shortcuts (gates, elevators) to get where you need to go, quickly, you just have to find them. Opening the gate to the left of where you start in Central Yharnam is a big one.

I remember spending about 10 hours in Central Yharnam, but most of that was getting acquainted with everything. The game becomes so much more clear after the first couple bosses.

LorenzoL

You are right. I'm finally at a point that even though I died, I feel comfortable enough with the enemies and their patterns that I don't feel overwhelmed about it. Encountering new enemies and figuring out if I can kill them right away its still an issue for me.

RichC2

I gave up on killing enemies unless I was exploring or trying to level up so much easier to sprint past them.

Dan

LorenzoL,
You're in the exact same situation I was in. Damn, I need to pick this game up again. I've been lazy lately. If you haven't already found the shortcut through Central Yharnam, do that. Look it up if you have to.