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Matthew Chmiel 02-27-13 06:26 PM

Electronic Arts is a Saint!
 
I've bitched and moaned about all of the stupid shit EA does on this sub forum before, but I want to roll it all into one thread with this news.


Originally Posted by The Verge
Microtransactions have become an increasingly important part of the gaming landscape, and it looks like EA is embracing the concept with open arms. EuroGamer reports that Blake Jorgensen, the company's CFO and executive vice-president, discussed the tiny transactions at the Morgan Stanley Technology, Media, & Telecom Conference yesterday — saying EA would be adopting them in all of its upcoming titles. "The next and much bigger piece is microtransactions within games," he said when asked about the company's digital revenues. "We're building into all of our games the ability to pay for things along the way, either to get to a higher level, to buy a new character, to buy a truck, a gun, whatever it might be, and consumers are enjoying and embracing that way of the business."

He went on to explain that EA has built a new back-end system to process the transactions, a departure from its previous efforts. While plans for specific games weren't detailed, the emphasis on microtransactions — as well as EA's new unified login system — make it clear that EA sees its digital initiatives as important not only to consumers, but to the company's bottom line as well.

Source

Fuck you, EA. Fuck you.

Valve makes microtransactions work because it doesn't affect gameplay, i.e. F2P games like Team Fortress 2 and DOTA 2. The gameplay stays the same, but you can spend as much as you like purchasing hats to your heart's content. DLC is one thing, but microtransactions are entirely different.

Microtransactions are one of the reasons why I've stopped downloading and purchasing games on the iOS (and EA is a huge offender of this on the mobile platform). You can really only "continue" the game if you continue to pay for it... even if you've already purchased the game. I've already stopped purchasing EA games due to their piss poor customer service and the abortion that is Origin, but this guarantees I'll never be a customers of theirs again.

LosingMyMind 02-27-13 06:29 PM

Re: Electronic Arts is worse than Satan.
 
I fucking love this game
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.joystiq.c...ndycitybox.jpg

fumanstan 02-27-13 06:56 PM

Re: Electronic Arts is worse than Satan.
 

Originally Posted by Matthew Chmiel (Post 11596026)
Valve makes microtransactions work because it doesn't affect gameplay, i.e. F2P games like Team Fortress 2 and DOTA 2. The gameplay stays the same, but you can spend as much as you like purchasing hats to your heart's content. DLC is one thing, but microtransactions are entirely different.

That's not necessarily true, you can buy items and weapons in Team Fortress 2, can't you? If not directly, then also by buying pieces to use to craft items. They most definitely let you spend money on things that affect gameplay.

EDIT: Just logged in to TF2, you can most definitely buy weapons directly. So I guess Valve is evil too.

Decker 02-27-13 07:01 PM

Re: Electronic Arts is worse than Satan.
 
All things considered, I still prefer declining to pay for optional game DLC to eternal torment and damnation.

MoviePage 02-27-13 07:21 PM

Re: Electronic Arts is worse than Satan.
 
I opened this thread hoping it was satire. I'm disappointed.

Matthew Chmiel 02-27-13 08:09 PM

Re: Electronic Arts is worse than Satan.
 

Originally Posted by fumanstan (Post 11596058)
That's not necessarily true, you can buy items and weapons in Team Fortress 2, can't you? If not directly, then also by buying pieces to use to craft items. They most definitely let you spend money on things that affect gameplay.

EDIT: Just logged in to TF2, you can most definitely buy weapons directly. So I guess Valve is evil too.

Yes, but the game also drops you said items as you play. If you wanted the weapon right away, you could pay for it. However, you can wait for it and chances are you'll get it sooner rather than later.

I've never paid for items in TF2 and I've managed to do just fine in the game.

adrenaline78 02-27-13 08:24 PM

Re: Electronic Arts is worse than Satan.
 
So in the future madden game, you'll have to pay extra for the football.

shumway 02-27-13 08:28 PM

Re: Electronic Arts is worse than Satan.
 
^^That is the same thing EA does in games like BF3, BF:BC2, and Burnout Paradise. In the first two they sell unlocks so you can have early access to all weapons or tools for specific classes or the like. In Burnout they sell an unlock all token. Players can earn everything still without paying or they can pony up if they don't feel like they have the time. I actually find this reasonable. You aren't hitting a pay-wall. If this happens to change on console games in the future then I can see a problem with it, otherwise whatever.

majorjoe23 02-27-13 08:28 PM

Re: Electronic Arts is worse than Satan.
 

Originally Posted by adrenaline78 (Post 11596130)
So in the future madden game, you'll have to pay extra for the football.

Negotiate new contracts using real money. Pay extra to go over the salary cap.

fumanstan 02-27-13 08:34 PM

Re: Electronic Arts is worse than Satan.
 

Originally Posted by Matthew Chmiel (Post 11596118)
Yes, but the game also drops you said items as you play. If you wanted the weapon right away, you could pay for it. However, you can wait for it and chances are you'll get it sooner rather than later.

I've never paid for items in TF2 and I've managed to do just fine in the game.

Ok, but that's still contrary to your initial defense that purchasable items don't affect gameplay. I last played when the Man vs. Machine stuff came out, but I didn't get many drops at all.

Until EA actually has a game out there where you can buy a competitive advantage in multiplayer, who knows if they're going to actually do anything different from other companies out there. Especially if they just end up being cosmetic items or single player enhancements, or the same as TF2 where the items are obtainable via other means in game.

Deftones 02-27-13 08:47 PM

Re: Electronic Arts is worse than Satan.
 
But then, they announce something like this and get some credit back: http://kotaku.com/5987445/ea-is-host...hts-and-gaming

Michael Corvin 02-27-13 08:59 PM

Re: Electronic Arts is worse than Satan.
 

Originally Posted by Matthew Chmiel (Post 11596026)
Fuck you, EA. Fuck you.

:hscratch: People that play free-to-play games and buy in game content are to blame. I know it's easy to hate on the big bad gaming company but EA is just adapting to a changing landscape.


Originally Posted by shumway (Post 11596133)
^^That is the same thing EA does in games like BF3, BF:BC2, and Burnout Paradise. In the first two they sell unlocks so you can have early access to all weapons or tools for specific classes or the like. In Burnout they sell an unlock all token. Players can earn everything still without paying or they can pony up if they don't feel like they have the time. I actually find this reasonable. You aren't hitting a pay-wall. If this happens to change on console games in the future then I can see a problem with it, otherwise whatever.

I'm on the fence. First I don't have a problem avoiding said content. I'd rather earn it in game. On the other hand, something like Burnout gives a distinct advantage in online play. It's going to take me weeks to unlock the best car in the game while someone else has it on day one. It does make for lopsided play. If they can pool DLC buyers together for online play and then pool everyone else, that might help.

nickdawgy 02-27-13 11:07 PM

Re: Electronic Arts is worse than Satan.
 
Haven't they done this for awhile? Doesn't bother me. I never buy the stuff.

Adken 02-28-13 02:33 AM

Re: Electronic Arts is worse than Satan.
 
The only EA game I currently play is the FIFA series. As long as its just extra stadiums, balls, kits, or other cosmetic things, I don't care.

The only time I spent real cash on in-game purchases was for Diablo3. I spent $10 bucks to get "uber" gear, but ultimately it lessened my enjoyment of the game due to not needing to earn better items by actually playing.

Krayzie 02-28-13 07:44 AM

Re: Electronic Arts is worse than Satan.
 

Originally Posted by Adken (Post 11596429)
The only EA game I currently play is the FIFA series. As long as its just extra stadiums, balls, kits, or other cosmetic things, I don't care.

The only time I spent real cash on in-game purchases was for Diablo3. I spent $10 bucks to get "uber" gear, but ultimately it lessened my enjoyment of the game due to not needing to earn better items by actually playing.

You probably wouldn't have gotten any good drops for your character in D3 anyway. I sure as hell didn't. The handful of decent equip I found went to friends.


I was really tempted to buy VC in NBA 2K13 when they had the 50% off sale... The main problem with the microtransaction crap is that companies will make it harder to earn stuff so you are more tempted to just spend cash. I think it was $2 for 10,000 VC in NBA 2K13 when it was on sale. To earn 10,000 VC in game you would have to play about 33 games... Hell I managed to stock pile 40,000 VC from just playing online but that wasn't even close to enough VC to max out my character. I think I've earned about 55,000 VC so far and I still probably need another 55,000 or more lol

foxdvd 02-28-13 07:51 AM

Re: Electronic Arts is worse than Satan.
 
having the ability to buy in game items is one thing....I am more worried about things like the double XP for Gears...or XP boost in EA games. Might not be a big deal for a shooter, but the first time a game like Dragon Age is designed to be brutally hard unless you buy the xp boost...I am out.

I also worry about the rumored price of 70 bucks for EA games next gen.

Krayzie 02-28-13 07:57 AM

Re: Electronic Arts is worse than Satan.
 

Originally Posted by foxdvd (Post 11596523)
having the ability to buy in game items is one thing....I am more worried about things like the double XP for Gears...or XP boost in EA games. Might not be a big deal for a shooter, but the first time a game like Dragon Age is designed to be brutally hard unless you buy the xp boost...I am out.

I also worry about the rumored price of 70 bucks for EA games next gen.

They'll probably just sell a weapon / armor pack that boost your attributes so you don't get slaughtered!

Hell 2K sports sells a $25 jewelry set for NBA 2K13 that boosts your players attributes lol

Raul3 02-28-13 08:44 AM

Re: Electronic Arts is worse than Satan.
 
I'm fine with this.

Doesn't affect me at all.

RichC2 02-28-13 08:49 AM

Re: Electronic Arts is worse than Satan.
 
Death of the unlockable :(

shumway 02-28-13 09:14 AM

Re: Electronic Arts is worse than Satan.
 
Not as of yet though. For the moment it is the shortcut to the unlockable. This doesn't mean it won't become that, just not as of yet.

chuckd21 02-28-13 10:37 AM

Re: Electronic Arts is worse than Satan.
 
They wouldn't keep doing it if people weren't using it.

We can say it's gross all we want, but until you go kick someone in the dick when they hit the button on one of these microtransactions, all the bitching in the world won't change a thing.

Matthew Chmiel 02-28-13 10:48 AM

Re: Electronic Arts is worse than Satan.
 

Originally Posted by fumanstan (Post 11596143)
Ok, but that's still contrary to your initial defense that purchasable items don't affect gameplay. I last played when the Man vs. Machine stuff came out, but I didn't get many drops at all.

Until EA actually has a game out there where you can buy a competitive advantage in multiplayer, who knows if they're going to actually do anything different from other companies out there. Especially if they just end up being cosmetic items or single player enhancements, or the same as TF2 where the items are obtainable via other means in game.

I've never encountered drops anytime I've done co-op on TF2, only when I'm playing the rest of the game modes. That might be Valve's doing as all your focus should be on the co-op game and not checking your inventory.

If EA's recent release of Real Racing 3 on the iOS is any indicator, you'll have to pay to enjoy the game. It's a shame as all of the commenters mentioned that they would've rather paid $4.99 - $19.99 on the game rather than have a F2P with microtransactions model.


Originally Posted by chuckd21 (Post 11596731)
We can say it's gross all we want, but until you go kick someone in the dick when they hit the button on one of these microtransactions, all the bitching in the world won't change a thing.

This is 'MERICA, I'll bitch and moan all I want. ;)

uteotw 02-28-13 11:00 AM

Re: Electronic Arts is worse than Satan.
 
Gotta agree. I LOVE the Dead Space franchise, but the stuff they want you to pay extra for, after the $60 price tag, is a complete joke. Want your little scavenger robot to pick up more loot? That's extra money. Want a cool gun? That's extra money. It's ridiculous. On principle alone I will never, ever buy any of this stuff. It's one thing to charge for some big expansion DLC, but nickel and diming gamers to death for every gun and suit disgusts me.

fumanstan 02-28-13 11:01 AM

Re: Electronic Arts is worse than Satan.
 

Originally Posted by Matthew Chmiel (Post 11596749)
I've never encountered drops anytime I've done co-op on TF2, only when I'm playing the rest of the game modes. That might be Valve's doing as all your focus should be on the co-op game and not checking your inventory.

If EA's recent release of Real Racing 3 on the iOS is any indicator, you'll have to pay to enjoy the game. It's a shame as all of the commenters mentioned that they would've rather paid $4.99 - $19.99 on the game rather than have a F2P with microtransactions model.

Most mobile games seem to be going with a similar model, so it's not just EA. That's a weird one to pick out though, since user reviews have it at 4 1/2 stars for iOS and 4 stars on Android. People seem to love it, and this IGN reviewer said he did just fine without paying.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/02/...acing-3-review

Seems like you're fine with purchasable items for things that would otherwise take time playing to earn, so I don't see the issue. I think that's the key for me, if you can earn it in game somehow it's not a big deal. If it's exclusive to paying real cash, then it sucks.

mattysemo247 02-28-13 12:10 PM

Re: Electronic Arts is worse than Satan.
 
With as fast as Dead Space 3 dropped to $40, they should have just done that from the get go. Then market it as "We gave you the full game for $40 that you can enjoy as it is, but you can also spend some money on micro transactions to unlock the extra stuff if you would like." I'm really not down with micro transactions as it is, but this way it gives people who buy games at launch more incentive to spend a little more on micro transactions since they got the full game at a lower price.

uteotw 02-28-13 01:39 PM

Re: Electronic Arts is worse than Satan.
 

Originally Posted by mattysemo247 (Post 11596837)
With as fast as Dead Space 3 dropped to $40, they should have just done that from the get go. Then market it as "We gave you the full game for $40 that you can enjoy as it is, but you can also spend some money on micro transactions to unlock the extra stuff if you would like." I'm really not down with micro transactions as it is, but this way it gives people who buy games at launch more incentive to spend a little more on micro transactions since they got the full game at a lower price.

I guess I would be OK with paying for more stuff if I'd waited for the fast, big price drop, but I didn't know it'd drop to $40 that fast and it's one of the (very) few franchises I like to get ASAP. Won't do that again, and frankly I probably would spend a few points to get some more stuff if I'd paid $40. I'd be totally cool with an MSRP of $40 and then letting people max out on other stuff for more cash if they wanted.

MoviePage 02-28-13 04:16 PM

Re: Electronic Arts is worse than Satan.
 

Originally Posted by uteotw (Post 11596768)
Gotta agree. I LOVE the Dead Space franchise, but the stuff they want you to pay extra for, after the $60 price tag, is a complete joke. Want your little scavenger robot to pick up more loot? That's extra money. Want a cool gun? That's extra money. It's ridiculous. On principle alone I will never, ever buy any of this stuff. It's one thing to charge for some big expansion DLC, but nickel and diming gamers to death for every gun and suit disgusts me.

Not to defend this practice, but to be fair, the scavenger robots picking up extra loot can also be done with ration seals that are earned in-game. If there are people who actually chose to pay instead of, or in addition to, using those, well..."a fool and his money." The guns are, from my understanding (since I completed the game and never paid for any of that crap), purely cosmetic, because you can build any uber-weapon you want in-game as well.

The day these things become available only by paying extra money, I'll be protesting as loud as anyone else. I'm more put off by DLC practices in general than these optional microtransactions.

bippitty 02-28-13 08:45 PM

Re: Electronic Arts is worse than Satan.
 
I recently got The Saboteur. The game was supposed to have a free DLC that was only available from EA. EA shut down access to the DLC.

I also get tired of EA games that require me to cancel out of logging into their online service every time I play the game. I don't want to socialize my achievements and I don't do multi-player.

I don't believe that EA is worse than Satan. Run by Satan? Certainly. Worse than? No.

gerrythedon 02-28-13 09:01 PM

Re: Electronic Arts is worse than Satan.
 
http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/02/...h-your-dollars

bippitty 02-28-13 09:34 PM

Re: Electronic Arts is worse than Satan.
 
Mr. Bleszinski mentions "Your average guy that buys just Madden and GTA every year doesn’t know, nor does he care. He has no problem throwing a few bucks more at a game because, hey, why not?"

One might wonder how this average dude is going to sustain an industry. Kinda sucks if your not Madden or GTA.

I will not throw those extra bucks at games. If they push it too hard, I'm willing to cease giving any money to them. As much as I like games, I'm willing to walk away completely.

He claims that the gaming industry is an industry and that people shouldn't be outraged that they need to make money. This is a hollow argument. I'm not a communist. I'm not someone screaming, "It's data. It's all data. And data must be free!"

I'm not asking for free games. I'm saying quit trying to jerk me around.

Music 02-28-13 09:55 PM

Re: Electronic Arts is worse than Satan.
 
GTA comes out every year? maybe he meant COD :shrug:

redbill 03-01-13 08:08 AM

Re: Electronic Arts is worse than Satan.
 

Originally Posted by MoviePage (Post 11597134)
Not to defend this practice, but to be fair, the scavenger robots picking up extra loot can also be done with ration seals that are earned in-game. If there are people who actually chose to pay instead of, or in addition to, using those, well..."a fool and his money." The guns are, from my understanding (since I completed the game and never paid for any of that crap), purely cosmetic, because you can build any uber-weapon you want in-game as well.

The day these things become available only by paying extra money, I'll be protesting as loud as anyone else. I'm more put off by DLC practices in general than these optional microtransactions.

I can't speak to Dead Space, but the last Madden I bought maybe 2-3 years ago had this feature where you could replay events from last week's games. They'd pick maybe 5 games, and you took over in a crucial spot and see how you did. I thought it was a fun feature.

The first week's games were free, after that you would have to buy with $$ OR with in-game Madden-Points, or whatever they hell they were called. The only way to get madden points in-game was to play that weird game mode with using random playing cards to generate a team, and then play games with that team. You start with such a crappy team from the random cards, I got 1 point the first time I played a game (which take about an hour to play). Each week's scenarios cost like 200 points.

nickdawgy 03-01-13 08:24 AM

Re: Electronic Arts is worse than Satan.
 
Blezsinski is a huge douche. He also looks like a douche and has a douchey nickname.

Decker 03-01-13 08:41 AM

Re: Electronic Arts is worse than Satan.
 
And, I hear, he douches.

Raul3 03-01-13 09:04 AM

Re: Electronic Arts is worse than Satan.
 

Originally Posted by bippitty (Post 11597358)
I recently got The Saboteur. The game was supposed to have a free DLC that was only available from EA. EA shut down access to the DLC.

I also get tired of EA games that require me to cancel out of logging into their online service every time I play the game. I don't want to socialize my achievements and I don't do multi-player.

I don't believe that EA is worse than Satan. Run by Satan? Certainly. Worse than? No.

There wasn't a DLC.

There was an unlock, to get access to some place where you can see some naked ladies, but it was timed. It actually still unlocked some time after it was supposed to end.

Hailey G 03-01-13 09:39 AM

Re: Electronic Arts is worse than Satan.
 

Originally Posted by Raul3 (Post 11597740)
There wasn't a DLC.

There was an unlock, to get access to some place where you can see some naked ladies, but it was timed. It actually still unlocked some time after it was supposed to end.

It was DLC, or at least an unlock that needed to be downloaded like DLC from XBL/PSN. There was an EA server that you had to use to redeem the in game code, and once you did that, you were able to download the content from XBL/PSN. EA decided to shut down the server that was used to redeem the code. It was announced along with a list of other online game servers that EA was shutting down due to inactivity (all the other games had actual online content). I'm not sure if it was always planned to shut down after a period of time, or they really shut it down due to inactivity like the other games. If it was the latter, this problem really could've been solved by just including an actual XBL/PSN code in the game, instead of the ass backwards way they chose to do it.

Music 03-01-13 09:46 AM

Re: Electronic Arts is worse than Satan.
 
boobies FTW!

chuckd21 03-01-13 09:54 AM

Re: Electronic Arts is worse than Satan.
 
Cliffy B's ultimate conclusion is "If you don't like it, don't buy it". He's right. End of story.

Krayzie 03-01-13 12:11 PM

Re: Electronic Arts is worse than Satan.
 
This all started with horse armor!!

DaveyJoe 03-01-13 12:27 PM

Re: Electronic Arts is worse than Satan.
 

Originally Posted by Krayzie (Post 11597981)
This all started with horse armor!!

:lol:


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