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What wll be the bigger failure/success? Move or Kinect?
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What wll be the bigger failure/success? Move or Kinect?
It's a tossup for me. I don't know if either is compelling enough, but leaning towards Kinect for the integration with the dashboard although it'll be after it drops to $99 bucks.
Kinect
Pros:
Cons:
PlayStation Move
Pros:
Cons:
Am I missing anything?
Kinect
Pros:
- Doesn't require any extra controllers
- Different enough from Wii to get people to into it
- Cool integration with other Xbox apps (dashboard, Zune, etc.)
Cons:
- Expensive
- Doesn't support 4 players
- Killer app? Don't know if Dance Central qualifies
- Don't know if it works properly
PlayStation Move
Pros:
- Game prices seem to be $10 bucks cheaper @ $39.99
- Buttons, didn't they great Kevin Butler say that buttons are important. Seriously, I think buttons will be useful. I don't know how Kinect is going to get past this in certain games.
- Basically a PSThWii (clever, right?) which is what a lot of people want - (A Wii with better graphics)
- Compatible with some existing games: LBP, Tiger Woods, RE5, Heavy Rain, MAG (Thanks Decker!)
Cons:
- More expensive than Kinect - For the full setup, requires an Pseye, NavController, and Wand. 2nd set of Wand and NavController for second player.
- Doesn't support 4 players.
- Killer app? Sorcery perhaps.
- Don't know if it works, demos so far have not been completely favorable
Am I missing anything?
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Yeah, you're missing a biggie : The Move will be compatible with several games people may already have (LBP, Tiger Woods 11, Heavy Rain, MAG). That's a big selling point to me, I have the option of playing some of these games traditionally or with the new controller.
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Re: What wll be the bigger failure/success? Move or Kinect?
I'm interested in the Move, but I really don't see how motion controls will make me want to play Heavy Rain again (especially given the fact that I've already platinumed it and gotten all the endings for the Taxidermist DLC). In fact, I just traded it in since they annouced future DLC is pretty much scrapped in favor of Move integration.
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Whether you want to play it again or not, it almost certainly will make the game play better than the original version. Besides, the fact is that for me, I could buy just a $49.99 controller and play a few of my games with motion control, which is a hell of a lot cheaper than the Kinect will be able to deliver.
BTW : I asked the Kmart guy on CAG and he confirmed some sort of a deal for the Move at launch next month.
BTW : I asked the Kmart guy on CAG and he confirmed some sort of a deal for the Move at launch next month.
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Move will be a greater success. There's this swing towards everything PS3 right now (and not just in this forum either).
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Re: What wll be the bigger failure/success? Move or Kinect?
I don't like either one of them, but move will be a success and kinect will do good in the beginning but fail in the long run.
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Since I took an immediate dislike to the Wii's control interface I can't say that I'm too excited about either but I might give Kinect a shot after a price drop since it doesn't require any extraneous controllers.
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Like Decker said, Move may survive on Wii ports, party games and games like Tiger Woods, but for core games it will be an utter failure. Note, I said survive and not thrive. Niche product at best.
Kinect will sell well the first few weeks and be an utter failure once word of mouth gets out about how shoddy it works. It will be on the clearance rack for under $50 before E3 next year and MS will not even mention it's existence at next year's show.
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Re: What wll be the bigger failure/success? Move or Kinect?
Honestly, I will probably only consider the Move, but I couldn't resist any choice that includes "I'm rich biatch!"
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Re: What wll be the bigger failure/success? Move or Kinect?
Your poll choices do not reflect the question asked by the thread title....
Regardless, I don't think either will be a "success", and I think that $150 price point by MS will mean Kinect will be the bigger failure of the two.....
Regardless, I don't think either will be a "success", and I think that $150 price point by MS will mean Kinect will be the bigger failure of the two.....
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Re: What wll be the bigger failure/success? Move or Kinect?
It wasn't ment to. I agree i think the price is going to quickly scare many people away plus the economy seems to be tanking again.
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Well, I don't like the Kinect because I don't like the idea of taking the controller out of my hands. I believe that part of the fun of gaming is interacting with a real object, and something would be missing if there's no controller.
As for the Move, I'm interested to see what the development will be like. Will games be designed for the device, or will they try to do games with both traditional and Move control? Granted, they're doing the latter now, but I believe it's just to hedge their bets in case the device flops. If they try to make games that work with both, will the Move actually enhance the game, or will you be put at a disadvantage by using the Move instead of a standard controller? Or if you are, will there be an added fun factor that makes up for that? It remains to be seen.
I think the best course would be to design games specifically for the Move, rather than trying to do games that work with both. However, it could be a catch-22 problem. Developers may not want to commit to Move-only games because it limits the market and they don't know if the device will be successful. But on the other hand, it won't be a success if there aren't good games that demand it. By catering to both, it could turn out to be another niche peripheral like an arcade stick or a steering wheel; since they're aren't required, most don't bother to get them. Gamers may shrug and ask why they should buy a Move when their trusty Dual Shock works just as well.
This was not an issue for the Wii, because everyone who bought the system got the motion controls, so of course the games were designed for them. With the Kinect and the Move, they are positioned as optional peripherals, and that may be their undoing.
As for the Move, I'm interested to see what the development will be like. Will games be designed for the device, or will they try to do games with both traditional and Move control? Granted, they're doing the latter now, but I believe it's just to hedge their bets in case the device flops. If they try to make games that work with both, will the Move actually enhance the game, or will you be put at a disadvantage by using the Move instead of a standard controller? Or if you are, will there be an added fun factor that makes up for that? It remains to be seen.
I think the best course would be to design games specifically for the Move, rather than trying to do games that work with both. However, it could be a catch-22 problem. Developers may not want to commit to Move-only games because it limits the market and they don't know if the device will be successful. But on the other hand, it won't be a success if there aren't good games that demand it. By catering to both, it could turn out to be another niche peripheral like an arcade stick or a steering wheel; since they're aren't required, most don't bother to get them. Gamers may shrug and ask why they should buy a Move when their trusty Dual Shock works just as well.
This was not an issue for the Wii, because everyone who bought the system got the motion controls, so of course the games were designed for them. With the Kinect and the Move, they are positioned as optional peripherals, and that may be their undoing.
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Joystiq previews The Fight:
It actually sounds like this is the sort of game we'd expect the Wii could make but it never really did.
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It actually sounds like this is the sort of game we'd expect the Wii could make but it never really did.
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Re: What wll be the bigger failure/success? Move or Kinect?
I said neither but if I had to go for one of the motion control solutions I think it would be Move. The only reason being that I miss light gun games and the PS3/Move combination seems the best solution for now. HD graphics plus a controller that can be used like a gun.
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Move for Tiger Woods is about the only thing that sounds remotely interesting. I'd rather one of them just came out with a great Golden Tee game with track ball.
IF, the Kinect actually works smoothly it could have some potential, but I just don't see it being much less awkward than the current crappy camera games.
IF, the Kinect actually works smoothly it could have some potential, but I just don't see it being much less awkward than the current crappy camera games.
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Has anyone tried a Kinect demo stand? I thought they were supposed to be going up at Macy's or something.
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I won't be buying either one, unless they are priced at $50 or so and include a game (a full game, not a tech demo like Wii Sports).
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Re: What wll be the bigger failure/success? Move or Kinect?
Like Decker said, Move may survive on Wii ports, party games and games like Tiger Woods, but for core games it will be an utter failure. Note, I said survive and not thrive. Niche product at best.
Kinect will sell well the first few weeks and be an utter failure once word of mouth gets out about how shoddy it works. It will be on the clearance rack for under $50 before E3 next year and MS will not even mention it's existence at next year's show.
Kinect will sell well the first few weeks and be an utter failure once word of mouth gets out about how shoddy it works. It will be on the clearance rack for under $50 before E3 next year and MS will not even mention it's existence at next year's show.
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Re: What wll be the bigger failure/success? Move or Kinect?
I may get Move, since I already have the PS3Eye or whatever name the camera is called, and I can use the PS3 controller, so I only need the the wand, and that costs $50, right?
Wait, it doesn't include a game? Even a wii sports clone? Lame! I guess I'll have to wait then.
Wait, it doesn't include a game? Even a wii sports clone? Lame! I guess I'll have to wait then.
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The controller + eye + Sports Champions game are bundled together for $100. I'm hoping that I'll find that game cheap on ebay in a few months from people who bought the bundle then didn't enjoy the game.
Too bad there wasn't a Move + Nav or Double Move bundle that came with a game. Have my that whatever deal Kmart has up their sleeve for the Move will be fairly good.
In answer to your other question : Yes, if yo already have the Eye, all you need is the Move. The nav is more comfortable but you can use a controller for movement and if you have a sixaxis it's not that uncomfortable to hold sideways with one hand.