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Old 11-28-09 | 02:39 PM
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I don't think Bioshock would make my top 25 list. That game seemed amazing as I first started to play but I liked it less and less as I went on. The boss battle was awful too. It's still a really good game but not one of the best in the decade imo.
Old 11-28-09 | 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by maxfisher
Was 2000 the final year of the 90's?
Yes. Otherwise, you're starting your counting at 0, meaning there is no 10. Which would be fine if our number system was predicated on 9, but it's not. Ergo, 10 must be the final number in our system, so the decade actually ran 1991-2000.
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Originally Posted by MinLShaw
Yes. Otherwise, you're starting your counting at 0, meaning there is no 10. Which would be fine if our number system was predicated on 9, but it's not. Ergo, 10 must be the final number in our system, so the decade actually ran 1991-2000.
Or it just means we refer to decades in a manner that establishes consistency with the terminology used in our numeric system, i.e. the 90's are 90 - 99, the oughts are 00 - 09, etc. These type of lists are 'best _____ of the decade', not 'best _____ of the 21st complete decade AD'.
Old 11-28-09 | 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by maxfisher
Or it just means we refer to decades in a manner that establishes consistency with the terminology used in our numeric system, i.e. the 90's are 90 - 99, the oughts are 00 - 09, etc. These type of lists are 'best _____ of the decade', not 'best _____ of the 21st complete decade AD'.
Sounds fine to me, so long as I get to privately continue making the distinction in my own twisted little mind.
Old 11-28-09 | 10:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Michael Corvin
You're thinking of WiiPlay Dr. Mantle.
Yes I was. It was 1:30 in the morning, after all.

But whether it's the Wii Sports or WiiPlay, I still stand by my point that neither should be on a Best of the Decade list just because they are bestsellers.

Originally Posted by dvdsteve2000
Is Transformers 2 the best 09 movie? Hell no, but if it sold more tickets than any other, how can you not include it in the top 10 of 2009.
Because we're not talking about the money it made, we're talking about the quality of the product. Did you see Transformers 2? Do you think every critic in America should declare it the best film of the year?
Old 11-29-09 | 12:03 AM
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Here's the 10 games that spring to mind that impressed me the most:

Shadow of the Colossus (PS2)
Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater (PS2)
Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 (X360) [CoD 4's multiplayer felt dull compared to MW 2 and the story fizzled out very quick; MW 2 is a Michael Bay action movie on crack come to life)
Fallout 3 (X360)
Knights of the Old Republic (XBox)
Grand Theft Auto: Vice City (PS2)
Perfect Dark (N64)
Deus Ex (PC)
Rock Band (X360)
Civilization IV (PC)
Old 11-29-09 | 07:01 PM
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My List:

1- Batman Arkham Asylum (PS3)
2- Legend of Zelda - Twilight Princess (Wii)
3- WWF No Mercy/ Virtual Pro Wrestling 2 (N64 US/ N64 Japan)
4- Grand Theft Auto Vice City (PS2)
5- Super Mario Galaxy (Wii)
6- Call of Duty 4 (PS3)
7- God of War (PS2)
8- MLB: The Show 09 (PS3)
9- Bioshock (PS3)
10- Super Smash Bros. (Wii)

Batman AA is the best superhero game ever. Twilight Princess and Super Mario Galaxy are the landmark games for the Wii console. WWF No Mercy and Virtual Pro Wrestling are the best wrestling games ever and has a gameplay that THQ hasn't been able to replicate in their Smackdown series.
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Originally Posted by dx23
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WWF No Mercy and Virtual Pro Wrestling are the best wrestling games ever and has a gameplay that THQ hasn't been able to replicate in their Smackdown series.
Wow, I didn't realize that made it in this decade. I think that might make my list too, though I put more time into Wrestlemania 2000 and NWO v WCW.
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My top ten:

10. Flower: This is one of the finest downloadable games of the decade. No death, no bad guy, conflict etc. It's a games that makes you appreciate nature and the beauty of life.
9.Batman Arkham Asylum: The greatest superhero game ever made. Infamous also gets notable mention as a great new superhero ip.
8.Knights of the old republic: The best Star Wars game out there.
7.Halo 2: I still consider this one to be the best in the halo trilogy.
6.Resident Evil 4: Yes I'm one of those guys Controls can be frustrating at times but it was one hell of a ride.
5.MGS: The Twin Snakes ; I go back to this game more than any other one in the series. I never finished mgs 3 so my list may change if i ever go back and finish it.
4.Ratchet and Clank: Up your arsenal ; The game that perfected Action platformers.
3.Jak 3 : This game completely blew me away in Graphics, Gameplay, story and overall design. A great end to one of the best trilogies on ps2.
2.Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas: I sunk more hours into this game than any other GTA game.
1.Elder Scrolls : Oblivion ; Words cant sum up how amazing this game is.
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Destructoids top 50 games of the decade:

Part One - #50-41
50. Metal Slug 3
49. Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic
48. Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney
47. Vagrant Story
46. Super Smash Bros. Melee
45. Team Fortress 2
44. WarioWare: Twisted!
43. Banjo-Tooie
42. Psychonauts
41. Braid

Part Two - #40-31
40. Kingdom Hearts
39. Rock Band 2
38. Marvel vs. Capcom 2
37. Lost Odyssey
36. Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time
35. Tony Hawk’s Pro Skater 3
34. Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare
33. BioShock
32. Katamari Damacy
31. Civilization III

Part Three - #30-21
30. Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas
29. Shenmue II
28. Left 4 Dead
27. Skies of Arcadia
26. Paper Mario
25. Uncharted 2: Among Thieves
24. Dragon Quest VIII: Journey of the Cursed King
23. Cave Story
22. Ico
21. Ikaruga

Part Four - #20-11
20. Final Fantasy IX
19. World of WarCraft
18. Persona 4
17. Pikmin 2
16. Deus Ex
15. Silent Hill 2
14. Okami
13. Metroid Prime
12. Metal Gear Solid 3: Subsistence
11. The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker

Part Five - #10-1
10. Resident Evil 4
9. Super Mario Galaxy
8. Valkyria Chronicles
7. Diablo II
6. Beyond Good & Evil
5. God of War II
4. Portal
3. Mother 3
2. Half-Life 2
1. Shadow of the Colossus
Old 12-05-09 | 02:16 AM
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Didn't read the whole list, but seeing Phoenix Wright on their and I have to disagree. Maddeningly boring and stiff game. I slogged through it, but I can't say I enjoyed it.
Old 12-05-09 | 06:49 AM
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Man, I wish Nintendo would make another Pikmin game. Those games were hard for me to get into (at first), but ultimately were some of the most satisfying gaming experiences I've ever had.
Old 12-05-09 | 08:09 AM
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sigh... Pikmin. At this point I'd just settle for the Pikmin 2 remake that Japan got.
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Originally Posted by gimmepilotwings
+1

You also have to include WiiSports game in there as well, no matter how you feel about it.
Since I think it's a shit game then no I don't .
Old 12-05-09 | 09:30 AM
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Originally Posted by fumanstan
Everyone's lists are going to vary wildly outside of a few games. The "your list is invalid because it doesn't/does have ________" can be applied to almost everyone.
Exactly. There are way more than 10 incredibly awesome games from the last 10 years. Just because someone didn't pick your pet game doesn't mean that the games they did choose aren't outstanding.
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Hard once I started to think about this, as I quickly realised most of the "best of" games that are always floating around in my mind are from the previous decade. Baldur's Gate 2, Star Control 2, Xwing, Suikoden 2, Streets of Rage 2 etc.

In the end here's a list of stuff that I enjoyed the crap out of this last decade:

House of the Dead 2 (DC) - Played this game about every way possible. Never had more fun with a light gun game outside of the arcade.
Top Spin (Xbox) - still the best tennis sim IMO, in lieu of TS2 just not feeling quite right and TS3 having quirky controls. Forget about Virtual Tennis, that series has been dead to me since VT2.
Tales of Vesperia (360) - best Tales and probably still the best JRPG in HD.
Guild Wars (PC) - $15 per month subscriptions always turned me off getting into MMOs making GW's free to play model perfect. Despite being a supposedly light weight game, I still somehow lost 500 hours of my life. Not bad for ~$50.
Silent Hill 2 (PS2) - best game of this mindf### of a horror series that makes Resident Evils and the like seem like popcorn flicks at best.
Halo (Xbox) - The later Halos are better games I guess but it's hard to go past my memories of co-oping the shit out this game on every difficulty. Also a visual and aural treat at the time.
Mass Effect (360) - FPS mechanics are a bit shit but didn't detract from an enjoyable, cinematic role playing experience set in one of the coolest original sci fi settings for a while.
Dragon Age (360) - Bioware back to their roots
Persona 4 (PS2) - best game of this enjoyable, quirky and very Japanese RPG series
Final Fantasy XII (PS2) - finally the series gets a much needed overhaul
Lunar Knights (DS) - a better zelda than zelda.
Crisis Core (PSP) - a better FF7 than FF7
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Originally Posted by Chris_D
Top Spin (Xbox) - still the best tennis sim IMO, in lieu of TS2 just not feeling quite right and TS3 having quirky controls. Forget about Virtual Tennis, that series has been dead to me since VT2.
I think you are the first person I've seen that prefers Top Spin to VT. I wish I could have gotten into it, but I was a heavy VT head, from the Dreamcast days, so (probably unfairly) anything that wasn't VT wasn't "good" to me. Sort of like how some people can only play Madden (when there was competition) or NBA Live.
Old 12-05-09 | 02:38 PM
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Top Spin is, and was, the best Tennis game since Super Tennis on the SNES. It's a shame it isn't on the back-compat list because TS2 was garbage and VirtuaTennis is, well, VT. VT is fun, but not in the same ballpark as the original Top Spin. VT is the NFL Blitz of tennis games. It's arcadey fun but doesn't really capture the feel of the sport properly.
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Maybe not, but that's probably why I liked it. The first Virtua Tennis, not so much the other ones.
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Originally Posted by boredsilly
I think you are the first person I've seen that prefers Top Spin to VT. I wish I could have gotten into it, but I was a heavy VT head, from the Dreamcast days, so (probably unfairly) anything that wasn't VT wasn't "good" to me. Sort of like how some people can only play Madden (when there was competition) or NBA Live.
Along the lines of what Michael said, my feeling comes from playing competitive tennis for 15 years (in lowly Sat morning divisions mind you). I found I could make strategic decisions in Top Spin in the exact same way I would when playing and see it pay off. It completely blew me away at the time. Also, it had an over the shoulder view that actually worked. And yeah, sometimes you'd struggle to keep a lob in view, but that happened to me a lot during actual play .

VT is just a game of who gets tired first because it's almost impossible to actually make a mistake in that game. It was great for it's time but that series hasn't evolved a bit since Sega Tennis 2k2 on the DC.
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Yeah, you're right about that, which is probably why the later versions of that game felt tired to me. Still VT blew my mind when I got that on the DC way back when.
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The real top ten games of the decade by destructoid :

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Bloodrayne
Developer: Terminal Reality
Publisher: Majesco
Platform: PS2, Xbox, GameCube, PC
Released: October 15, 2002

Bloodrayne had it all: Vampires, sex and plenty of Nazis. Very much a videogame version of Mel Gibson's life. Developed by Terminal Reality, Bloodrayne changed the face of gaming forever by crafting a badass female character who was as sexy as she was deadly. This was incredibly innovative for the time, where female videogame characters simply did not exist, let alone highly sexualized ones. It was Bloodrayne's anti-hero, Rayne, who blazed a trail followed by weak female leads such as Lara Croft and Nathan Drake.

The World War II setting was also a first for games, and showed franchises like Call of Duty or Wolfenstein that Nazis made for excellent villains. Also, every time Rayne jumped on an enemy, wrapped her leather-clad legs around him, and started sucking on his neck while moaning, I felt that one-surge pulse go through my penis that you get when something only slightly arouses you, but doesn't provide quite enough stimulation to fully get you off. If that's not "game of the decade" material, I don't know what is.

Dynasty Warriors 3

Developer: Omega Force
Publisher: Koei
Platform: PS2
Released: November 26, 2001

The higlight of one of the greatest videogame franchises of all time, Dynasty Warriors 3 was more intense than Halo and more emotionally engaging than Final Fantasy VII. Koei invented perhaps the most innovative gameplay mechanic at all, where pushing one button let you win the game. Bear in mind, this was years before anybody had even heard of the Nintendo Wii. Koei was pushing casual gameplay long before Nintendo ever did.

It had everything: RPG elements such as level-ups and in-game text. Adrenaline-pumping action sequences which featured real-time button presses. An amazing story based exactly on Chinese history. Graphics. Box art. Compatibility with the system I was designed to be compatible with. Yes, Dynasty Warriors 3 truly was the game for the gamer that thought he had it all.

James Cameron's Avatar: The Game

Developer: Ubisoft Montreal
Publisher: Ubisoft
Platform: Everything
Released: December 1, 2009

Despite only being released a few days ago, the fact this had not been listed as one of the best titles of the past ten years is a SHAM. James Cameron's Avatar: The Game is awesome and perhaps one of the most life-changing experiences you'll ever encounter. For a start, it's in 3D, which is amazing new technology that I've never heard of before, Imagine your usual videogames ... but in 3D! How amazing is that?

Ubisoft Montreal surpassed themselves with this game. By totally ignoring insignificant details like a cohesive story, competent gameplay and environments that aren't confusing and shit, Ubisoft was able to concentrate on the most crucial aspect of game design -- the graphics. Who cares if your game could barely qualify as playable when you have PRETTY BLUE ALIEN HORSES to look at!?

For looking almost as good as Viva Pinata, James Cameron's Avatar: The Game is one of the top games of the decade.

Catwoman

Developer: Argonaut Games
Publisher: Electronic Arts
Platform: GBA, PS2, GameCube, Xbox, PC
Released: July 20, 2004

You know a game is awesome when the studio that developed it went out of business a few months after it was released. Yes, Catwoman was so intense that Argonaut Games simply couldn't withstand the power of its own creation and disappeared from the face of gaming. The studio had already proved itself as a developer of amazing licensed games with such as titles as Scooby Doo Mystery, Alien: Resurrection and The Emperor's New Groove, but Catwoman blew them all out of the water.

First of all, it starred Halle Berry, and since Halle Berry is a reasonably attractive woman, the game instantly gets a 10/10. Second of all, it's based on a movie that has been hailed by many as one of the greatest superhero movies of all time, second only to Darkman II: The Return of Durant. Third of all, SHUT UP IF YOU DISAGREE WITH ME!

50 Cent: Bulletproof
Developer: Genuine Games
Publisher: Sierra Entertainment
Platform: PS2, Xbox
Released: November 17, 2005

What's better than a black man propagating the negative stereotypes of his own race and living in a disturbing fantasy world where childish gang warfare is something to be celebrated and not looked down upon with disdain and pity? Not a lot!

50 Cent: Bulletproof is something of an autobiography, since 50 Cent's life is exactly how he tells us it is, and he's a brilliant man for having been shot a couple of times. This game truly makes you think about what a hard life it must be for a professional rapper and helps you understand the world of Curtis Jackson, a world where infantile fueds with other rappers and playground talk of dissing and loyalty among glorified high school cliques is the most important thing in the world.

The Polar Express
Developer: Blue Tongue
Publisher: THQ
Platform: PC, PS2, GameCube
Released: November 2, 2004

The Polar Express is an adventure video game released in 2004 by Blue Tongue. The game is based on the film of the same name.

Shadow the Hedgehog

Developer: Sega Studio USA Publisher: Sega
Platform: GameCube, PS2, Xbox
Released: November 15, 2005

Shadow the Hedgehog is regarded by all Sonic fans as the best and most popular character. His brooding angst makes him unique among videogame protagonists, as does his status as a "dark" version of the franchise's main character. These elements combined to make Shadow an iconic and memorable addition to Sonic's brilliant cast of hilarious and thought-provoking anthropomorphic animals. A videogame dedicated to this standard bearer of black culture was inevitable.

And what a videogame! Shadow the Hedgehog mixes high-octane gunplay with off-the-wall acrobatics to create the ultimate fusion of high-octane gunplay and off-the-wall acrobatics. The gunplay is high-octane and the acrobatics ... boy ... they are off the wall. Off the wall as fuck! It's hard to pick out a favorite moment in this intense adventure. The vehicle sections are jawdropping, with a control scheme that realistically gives us an idea of how difficult it would be for a hedgehog to operate a tank. The story is so mature and deep that it lends a dimension to the Sonic universe that was so inconceivable, nobody ever asked for it. As for the guns ... wow. Gears of War could only dream of the mindblowing arsenal at Shadow's disposal.

Shadow set the benchmark, not only for future Sonic games, but all shooters to come. Games like the aforementioned Gears of War or Uncharted: Drake's Fortune owe a lot to this history-making title.

Kane & Lynch: Dead Men

Developer: IO Interactive
Publisher: Eidos
Platform: PC, PS3, Xbox 360
Released: November 14, 2007

When Jeff Gerstmann accidentally gave Kane & Lynch: Dead Men a bad review on GameSpot, he was so horrified with what he'd done that he promptly resigned from the company and has never been seen or heard from again since. Some say he dashed his own head against the stone steps outside Eidos' offices. Some say he took the cloth and joined a sect of Bavarian monks in order to cleanse his tainted soul of sin. Whatever became of him, one thing is known -- he did a very bad thing, because Kane & Lynch is one of the greatest games ever made.

The game's narrative is as compelling as A Nightmare on Elm Street Part VI: Freddy's Dead: The Final Nightmare, with deep and complex characters that really make you think about morality and justice. The relationship between Kane and Lynch is very much a statement on society. It tells us that, in a way, we are all murderous schizophrenics who have been kidnapped from a death row transit by mercenaries who want to coerce us into doing their bidding. That really makes you think, doesn't it?

Velvet Assassin

Developer: RePlay Studios
Publisher: SouthPeak Interactive
Platform: PC, PS3, Xbox 360
Released: April 28, 2009

The only thing people love more than a good stealth game is a World War II game. It's no surprise that Velvet Assassin, a game that so deftly combined the two, became one of the most important titles of the decade. Combining an incredible narrative with unrivaled gameplay, Velvet Assassin was to videogames what the atomic bomb was to World War II itself -- it may have claimed many lives, but it altered the course of history and helped carve a better world.

The game gets extra credit for realistically representing the difficulties a single woman would have going against the entire Third Reich, in that she is completely incapable of defending herself. This is, of course, a brilliant use of gameplay to tell us something very important -- that a single woman finds it pretty hard to fight an army. This is crucial information that we'd never have known if Velvet Assassin hadn't educated us! Thank Christ for RePlay Studios and this brilliant masterpiece.

Sitting for ages while Nazis talk about chocolate in German with subtitles that are too small to read, badly placed checkpoints, and repetitive gameplay that consists of standing behind someone and pressing a button have been combined to make a game that is certainly unique, and everybody knows that innovation automatically means a game is good. It's unique, therefore it's brilliant.

And that was the top nine! Nine awesome videogames that sum up what this whole decade has been about -- great gameplay, and even greater games. However, there is one final game, one to rule them all, that we are yet to discuss. Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you, the greatest game of the decade ...

Too Human
Developer: Silicon Knights
Publisher: Microsoft Game Studios
Platform: Xbox 360
Released: August 19, 2008

Too Human. The alpha and omega of videogame development. Cooked up from the glimmering brainbox of Denis "The Sonic Architect" Dyack, Too Human is not just a game -- it's a gift. A gift from Silicon Knights to the free world.

From its engaging and enthralling storyline to the kind of gameplay that should have been seen in the medium six years ago, Too Human is an unrelenting triumph that grabbed hold of the player and refused to let go. From the moment we inserted the disc into the Xbox 360 to that climactic moment when the end credits rolled, we were all little more than helpless fish caught on the end of a line. The bait? Awesome exposition. The hook? Rock solid gameplay. And the fisherman? Only the greatest mind this unworthy industry has been honored to ever know.
The story was an undeniably brilliant fusion of sci-fi trappings and Norse mythology as players harnessed the real power of a God to take down robots that were named after goblins and elves in a brilliant meta-parody of fantasy fiction and futuristic quasi-referential looking-glass philosophy that was both perfectly subtle and life-shatteringly rousing. After experiencing the first chapter of this epic saga in full, I felt ... insignificant. Pathetic, even, and angry to think that I had the sheer nerve to exist in the same world as such effortlessly superb narrative.
If the story is terrific, then the gameplay is impeccable. Using a unique and innovative analog stick combat system, Silicon Knights redefined in-game action as we knew it. Combat was a blast and so simple to perform, you felt like you're doing nothing at all. However, you WERE doing something -- you are taking part ... conspiring, if you will ... in something that turned the videogames industry on its head. Mark my words, Too Human was and still is the future of gaming, and that makes for a future so bright, you may very well scar your retinas if you look too long into it.
And all this is before we get into the fantastic Valkyrie death scene -- where every death was followed by an unskippable thirty-second cutscene that players every time you die in a game that's designed to kill you so you have to watch the scene over and over because Silicon Knights felt it was that important. And it is important! Too Human is THE most important game of all time and -- God bless me for saying it -- the greatest game ... the GREATEST game ... of the decade.
Thank you, Too Human. Thank you for everything.



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Funny, but Dynasty Warriors 3 is my fav game of the franchise, even over the recent ones. I don't know if Destructoid actually put a lot of thought into choosing that one specifically, but somehow I felt my blows had a lot more weight in that game. Something incredibly important when all you do during the entire game is hit people over and over. The upgrades and XP definitely tease you forwards and changing the course of huge epic battles by diving into enemy lines and sending hundreds of guys flying is still an attractive fantasy for me.

Pity they haven't been able to take the series forward even with the more powerful systems.
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I never understood the appeal for Dynasty Warriors. My friends were somehow addicted to those games, especially 3, and all I could do was sit back and shake my head...
I don't know when I will get around to making my list. I have a lot of games in mind, but I still have a few shelves of games that I need to play through, thanks to my old habit of buying new games every week without ever playing through the previous purchases.
I'm only on chapter 4 of Dead Space, but I think this one will probably make my list. I'm a Resident Evil fanatic and I've never taken issue with the control scheme, but wow, the setup in Dead Space is absolutely perfect.
Old 12-05-09 | 11:42 PM
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Re: Best Game of the Decade Discussion — Lists by the media and you

Originally Posted by Chris_D
Along the lines of what Michael said, my feeling comes from playing competitive tennis for 15 years
I also played for many years which may be where I'm coming from as well.


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