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sniper308 11-21-09 08:11 AM

Re: The Official Xbox 360 thread - thread hardest
 
Like previously mentioned there is a play and charge kit for the 360, that will let you charge while you play:

http://www.amazon.com/Xbox-360-Play-.../dp/B000B6MLS2

I don't have one. I have this because I got a smoking deal on it some time back:

http://www.amazon.com/Xbox-360-Quick..._ob_vg_title_1

The batteries seem to last quite a long time. Honestly I prefer the choice of either using standard batteries or being able to use rechargeables. I don't want to be tied into having to recharge.

Spiderbite 11-21-09 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by chess (Post 9847909)
I've probably gotten the most use out of my Wii as a PS3 controller charging station. :lol:

Now that's a good idea that I hadn't thought of.



Originally Posted by chess (Post 9847912)
I still plan to run through both...hoping the story will hook me a bit at some point.

I never found the story particularly compelling, and I don't think I am giving anything away here, but I did find that when one of them has a family member abducted and they try to track them down, that was at least interesting. I was more enthralled by the graphic eye candy of the game. It was just awesome to look at more than anything. Story and control obviously came second and third in development. :)

slop101 11-21-09 01:30 PM

Re: The Official Xbox 360 thread - thread hardest
 
Chess, I think you're looking for things in Gears that were never the intention of the game's designers - especially if you're holding Uncharted against it. I actually think Gears has a much more satisfying shooting mechanism than Uncharted does. The gun-play and shooting-action are far more crunchy, smooth, and satisfying than Uncharted's can ever hope to be, and that's the criteria it should be judged on, not whether the characters move with grace or if the story is compelling. While a Mario game might have a story or shooting with fireballs, do you criticize it's story for being paper thin or not being able to aim your fireball shots? No, it's good at what it does do and the same is true of Gears - for whatever reason, you were expecting a game that it is not. I'm assuming that you're not even playing it right.

chess 11-21-09 02:36 PM

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Actually, I played it a bit this morning, but I am fairly early in the game. I'm at a gas station with dudes spawning all around me...sometimes even right next to me.

I'm not deliberately comparing it to Uncharted, and I'm not looking for it to be Uncharted. Uncharted just happens to be the last new game I played, and it makes Gears feel dated. Gears feels a bit more like a Resident Evil game with slow tank-like controls, and I disagree about how satisfying the shooting is. I find the aiming to be sluggish and imprecise, and the guns I've used thus far are full of recoil and ass. So I'm finding the game generally frustrating, and the lack of story or likeable characters is making it worse.

I don't think it's a "bad" game at all, and if I'd played it a year after RE4, I'm sure I'd have thought it was brilliant. I just missed its "window", and I'm not sure it has aged well.

Michael Corvin 11-21-09 03:18 PM

Re: The Official Xbox 360 thread - thread hardest
 
Gears vs. Uncharted is a much more apt comparison than the usual Uncharted vs. Tomb Raider.

As for "sluggish" controls. How nimble do you expect a 250 lb space marine wearing 200 lbs of gear to be? :P Slop has one thing right though, Nathan Drake may control better but the gunplay in Gears feels far more satisfying.

It's interesting to hear you have already come around on the 360 pad for the most part. It seems the only people that trash it are the ones that haven't spent any real amount of time with one.

darkside 11-21-09 04:09 PM

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I can't hit anyone in Gears or Uncharted so it was all the same to me. Damn you R stick my arch enemy.

I love the 360 controller though. D pad does suck, but it is my favorite for everything else. Because of the D pad I did get the Genesis collection on PS3.

Decker 11-21-09 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by darkside (Post 9848535)
Because of the D pad I did get the Genesis collection on PS3.

Because of the D-pad, I bought both a SF IV fightpad and a SF IV Tournament Edition Fight Stick. It's only really usable in a few non-fighting games, but that Fightpad's D-pad is really wonderful.

chess 11-21-09 05:50 PM

Re: The Official Xbox 360 thread - thread hardest
 

Originally Posted by Michael Corvin (Post 9848471)
Gears vs. Uncharted is a much more apt comparison than the usual Uncharted vs. Tomb Raider.

Again, not a deliberate comparison since I think Gears probably has more in common with RE...and I really wish I hadn't just played Uncharted, as it's making this less fun.


As for "sluggish" controls. How nimble do you expect a 250 lb space marine wearing 200 lbs of gear to be?
Depends on how many steriods he's used. :)

The cardinal sin, which I've tried to describe but have done so poorly, is when the targets can move across my field of vision faster than I can swing my gun.


It's interesting to hear you have already come around on the 360 pad for the most part. It seems the only people that trash it are the ones that haven't spent any real amount of time with one.
I never had a beef with the 360 controller and always wished the DS3 would have been more like it. The perfect controller (for me) would be shaped just like the 360's, and with the same general layout, but with the sticks and D-pad from the DS3 and an internal lithium battery and mini-USB.

Thx for the friend invite BTW...my first one on Live. :up:

I'm still pretty skeptical about my paying for Live though.

sniper308 11-21-09 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by brianluvdvd (Post 9847980)
Now that's a good idea that I hadn't thought of.




I never found the story particularly compelling, and I don't think I am giving anything away here, but I did find that when one of them has a family member abducted and they try to track them down, that was at least interesting. I was more enthralled by the graphic eye candy of the game. It was just awesome to look at more than anything. Story and control obviously came second and third in development. :)

For folks who like the Gears games (or even if not, as I have both and haven't played all the way through the first one yet and have not even opened the 2nd yet), I'd highly recommend the Gears novels by Karen Traviss ... pretty good stuff.

http://www.karentraviss.com/

Not quite as good as her republic commando stuff, but still pretty good.

I'm looking forward to her stuff in Halo Evolutions as well.

edstein 11-22-09 01:01 AM

Re: The Official Xbox 360 thread - thread hardest
 
I use rechargable AA batteries in my 360 and Wii controllers. Works great. I have a multiple sets of them. I hate the PS3 system. It should charge when the system is off.

twikoff 11-22-09 09:34 AM

Re: The Official Xbox 360 thread - thread hardest
 
so I either download or netflix most of my tv shows that i watch through tversity

today i decided to try hulu through tversity on my 360 and gotta say, Ive very disappointed with it so far

RichC2 11-22-09 11:36 AM

Re: The Official Xbox 360 thread - thread hardest
 

Originally Posted by Michael Corvin (Post 9848471)
Gears vs. Uncharted is a much more apt comparison than the usual Uncharted vs. Tomb Raider.

Yeah Uncharted vs. Gears is a good comparison.

Though Uncharted nailed the adventure aspect, Gears nailed the action aspect. If only the two could come together properly (Uncharted's action sequences lacked excitement (and were, frankly, tedious, especially near the end of Among Thieves), Gears is basically a straight shooter with no puzzles and is totally linear.)


Originally Posted by chess
After Uncharted and Uncharted 2, I feel like I'm running through molasses or something, and my movement feels limited in a lot of "Resident Evil" kind of ways.

I actually felt both Uncharted games had the same "RE" style limitations on the controls. Gears definitely has it, and while I don't remember it in Uncharted: DF (I haven't played it in sometime), I definitely noticed it in Uncharted 2. Nate is definitely more nimble than Marcus, but they both have some similar control issues. Game developers really need to find a way to get away from that, it hurts otherwise fantastic games.

chess 11-22-09 12:29 PM

Re: The Official Xbox 360 thread - thread hardest
 
I'm looking at Live Starter Packs on Amazon and am pondering the 60GB set for $90 vs the 20GB refurb for $50.

For someone who will use the 360 as a secondary gaming machine, will a 20GB do? I'd probably want to keep a few games on the HD, get 5-10 Arcade titles and keep a few demos.

xmiyux 11-22-09 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by chess (Post 9849506)
I'm looking at Live Starter Packs on Amazon and am pondering the 60GB set for $90 vs the 20GB refurb for $50.

For someone who will use the 360 as a secondary gaming machine, will a 20GB do? I'd probably want to keep a few games on the HD, get 5-10 Arcade titles and keep a few demos.

For that price difference i would go with a 60 gig.

To be honest, my 20 gig filled up rather quickly with DLC and demos. It gets especially bad around E3 and TGS when they put up a huge quantity of game videos. I also often download a demo and don't get around to trying the demo for a week or so. Now a days the demos will sometimes hit 1.5 gigs. :eek:

Decker 11-22-09 12:39 PM

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Remember also that 7 GB is earmarked for BC. That only leaves 13 GB space on a 20 GB HDD. NOT worth $50.

chess 11-22-09 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by RichC2 (Post 9849419)
Yeah Uncharted vs. Gears is a good comparison.

Though Uncharted nailed the adventure aspect, Gears nailed the action aspect. If only the two could come together properly (Uncharted's action sequences lacked excitement (and were, frankly, tedious, especially near the end of Among Thieves), Gears is basically a straight shooter with no puzzles and is totally linear.)

I didn't find the action sequences in Uncharted tedious at all. There was plenty of variety, and I found the Train, Tank and Truck sequences plenty exciting (for instance). From what I've seen so far of Gears (admittedly not THAT much), I'm finding it really repetitive in comparison. It's pretty much just cover and shoot.


I actually felt both Uncharted games had the same "RE" style limitations on the controls. Gears definitely has it, and while I don't remember it in Uncharted: DF (I haven't played it in sometime), I definitely noticed it in Uncharted 2. Nate is definitely more nimble than Marcus, but they both have some similar control issues. Game developers really need to find a way to get away from that, it hurts otherwise fantastic games.
I don't follow this. With RE and Gears, I have a dude who can navigate in all directions and shoot, and that's about it. Nate jumps, climbs, swings, and shoots while hanging amongst other things, and I found it all to be very fluid.

I really wish I hadn't started an Uncharted vs. Gears debate. I was simply commenting that having just played Among Thieves was affecting my ability to enjoy Gears.

chess 11-22-09 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by xmiyux (Post 9849518)
For that price difference i would go with a 60 gig.

To be honest, my 20 gig filled up rather quickly with DLC and demos. It gets especially bad around E3 and TGS when they put up a huge quantity of game videos. I also often download a demo and don't get around to trying the demo for a week or so. Now a days the demos will sometimes hit 1.5 gigs. :eek:


Originally Posted by Decker (Post 9849528)
Remember also that 7 GB is earmarked for BC. That only leaves 13 GB space on a 20 GB HDD. NOT worth $50.

Thanks fellas. I'll probably get the 60GB.

slop101 11-22-09 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by chess (Post 9849536)
I didn't find the action sequences in Uncharted tedious at all. There was plenty of variety, and I found the Train, Tank and Truck sequences plenty exciting (for instance). From what I've seen so far of Gears (admittedly not THAT much), I'm finding it really repetitive in comparison. It's pretty much just cover and shoot.

I think he means that the shooting segments of Uncharted can be tedious - which I agree with. The action stuff is great, but like I said, the shooting segments in Uncharted feel dull, hollow and limp, which makes them feel tedious when they get drawn out towards the end, especially in comparison to Gears.

sniper308 11-22-09 03:21 PM

Re: The Official Xbox 360 thread - thread hardest
 

Originally Posted by chess (Post 9849543)
Thanks fellas. I'll probably get the 60GB.


Its the best choice. You won't get a few games on the 20 GB... you might get 2 installed.

chess 11-22-09 05:34 PM

Re: The Official Xbox 360 thread - thread hardest
 
Some pretty good 360 deals on Target clearance:

Wolverine: $15
GH Metallica: $20
Red Faction: $20

I picked up Wolverine.

YMMV, obviously.

TheNightFlier 11-22-09 05:53 PM

Re: The Official Xbox 360 thread - thread hardest
 

Originally Posted by chess (Post 9850194)
Some pretty good 360 deals on Target clearance:

Wolverine: $15
GH Metallica: $20
Red Faction: $20

I picked up Wolverine.

YMMV, obviously.

I saw these same prices at a Target near me yesterday, so it's possible it might be an across the board cut everywhere.

edstein 11-22-09 08:12 PM

Re: The Official Xbox 360 thread - thread hardest
 
I'd like to get Wolverine at that price.

kms_md 11-22-09 08:47 PM

Re: The Official Xbox 360 thread - thread hardest
 
good price for red faction.

Decker 11-22-09 09:15 PM

Re: The Official Xbox 360 thread - thread hardest
 

Originally Posted by TheNightFlier (Post 9850221)
I saw these same prices at a Target near me yesterday, so it's possible it might be an across the board cut everywhere.

No, it's not. Target clearance prices are very YMMV, even from store-to-store. I found Wolverine for $42 at one Target and $30 at another last Monday.

chess 11-22-09 09:28 PM

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Usually my Target is way behind others in dropping prices, so I'd say folks' odds are pretty good.

Anyway, like I said, YMMV.

hail2dking 11-22-09 10:17 PM

Re: The Official Xbox 360 thread - thread hardest
 

Originally Posted by chess (Post 9850194)
Some pretty good 360 deals on Target clearance:

Wolverine: $15
GH Metallica: $20
Red Faction: $20

I picked up Wolverine.

YMMV, obviously.

Did you remember to use the $10 off 2 games coupon?

U6C84 11-22-09 10:46 PM

Re: The Official Xbox 360 thread - thread hardest
 
Here's a general question.

I just got a used Xbox 360 that was modded. I want to get the game Geometry Wars but can't go online because the console was banned. Is there any other way to get this game?

fumanstan 11-22-09 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by U6C84 (Post 9850721)
Here's a general question.

I just got a used Xbox 360 that was modded. I want to get the game Geometry Wars but can't go online because the console was banned. Is there any other way to get this game?

You can buy this -

http://www.amazon.com/Xbox-Live-Arca...8951607&sr=8-1

pinata242 11-22-09 10:52 PM

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Does Microsoft have a way for you to petition them to unban a console in that case? You'd think source IP, gamertag, playing habits, etc would be evidence on your behalf.

U6C84 11-22-09 11:25 PM

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Awesome thanks for the link.

I actually got the system for free since it was a banned system, so I'm not too worried about being able to go online. I just wanted Geometry Wars, since the hard-drive I got only had the demo.

RichC2 11-23-09 12:06 AM

Re: The Official Xbox 360 thread - thread hardest
 

Originally Posted by slop101 (Post 9849571)
I think he means that the shooting segments of Uncharted can be tedious - which I agree with. The action stuff is great, but like I said, the shooting segments in Uncharted feel dull, hollow and limp, which makes them feel tedious when they get drawn out towards the end, especially in comparison to Gears.

Exactly what I meant. The last 20% of Uncharted 2 was a chore because it was just that: repetitive gun battles that simply weren't very much fun. The rest was pretty much fantastic though. I like Gears better in the shooting category as it's far, far more satisfying to kill something in it than it is in Uncharted.

As for the RE thing I meant strictly in terms of control, a common issue in 3rd person adventure games (regular (Mario 64-esque) platformers aside) -- they're either too rigid or too floaty. Both Gears and Uncharted have rather rigid controls, and they both feel a bit "off" to me -- like I never have full control of the character. That said both are extremely fun games, and that is what really matters.

Decker 11-23-09 01:33 AM

Re: The Official Xbox 360 thread - thread hardest
 

Originally Posted by pinata242 (Post 9850733)
Does Microsoft have a way for you to petition them to unban a console in that case? You'd think source IP, gamertag, playing habits, etc would be evidence on your behalf.

I'd say "nope". This is from Major Nelson's blog two weeks ago:

Originally Posted by Major Nelson
Xbox 360 Console Bans

As you may have read online, we’ve been actively banning consoles from Xbox LIVE that have been modified to play pirated games. Our commitment to combat piracy and support safer and more secure gameplay for the more than 20 million members of our Xbox LIVE community remains a top priority. All consumers should know that piracy is illegal, and that modifying their Xbox 360 console to play pirated discs, violates the Xbox LIVE terms of use, will void their warranty and result in a ban from Xbox LIVE. The health of the video game business depends on customers paying for the genuine products and services they receive from manufacturers, retailers, and the third parties that support them. This would also be a good time to remind you that the warranty on an Xbox 360 console is not transferrable and if you purchase a used console that has been previously banned, you will not be able to connect to Xbox LIVE.


The Dude 11-23-09 05:24 AM

Re: The Official Xbox 360 thread - thread hardest
 
Isn't Geometry Wars on the first arcade disk that was released a few years back?

Michael Corvin 11-23-09 07:36 AM

Re: The Official Xbox 360 thread - thread hardest
 

Originally Posted by TheDude (Post 9850938)
Isn't Geometry Wars on the first arcade disk that was released a few years back?


Originally Posted by fumanstan (Post 9850726)

:)


Originally Posted by pinata242 (Post 9850733)
Does Microsoft have a way for you to petition them to unban a console in that case? You'd think source IP, gamertag, playing habits, etc would be evidence on your behalf.

Stepto has said on more than one occasion that there is absolutely zero chance of getting a modded console un-banned. I can see their point. You may not use it for modded games, but what about the person you may eventually sell your console to?

discostu1337 11-23-09 11:33 AM

Re: The Official Xbox 360 thread - thread hardest
 
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TheNightFlier 11-23-09 12:26 PM

Re: The Official Xbox 360 thread - thread hardest
 

Originally Posted by Decker (Post 9850546)
No, it's not. Target clearance prices are very YMMV, even from store-to-store. I found Wolverine for $42 at one Target and $30 at another last Monday.

Keyword possible ;)

I've been to 3 in the last few days. All have the same prices. Assassin's Creed platinum hits was 9.99. It just must be cause they're in the Long Island region .

twikoff 11-24-09 01:47 PM

Re: The Official Xbox 360 thread - thread hardest
 
this is probably a stupid question.. but since Im not 100% on the answer, i figure ill ask

I notice pretty often when i put a game disc in and it starts up... I get a prompt that there are updates for the game to download..

do you also get prompted for those updates if you chose to play a game from the harddrive?

Liver&Onions 11-24-09 02:00 PM

Re: The Official Xbox 360 thread - thread hardest
 

Originally Posted by twikoff (Post 9853595)
this is probably a stupid question.. but since Im not 100% on the answer, i figure ill ask

I notice pretty often when i put a game disc in and it starts up... I get a prompt that there are updates for the game to download..

do you also get prompted for those updates if you chose to play a game from the harddrive?

If there's a patch for the game, yes I think you should still see them.

maxfisher 11-24-09 02:06 PM

Re: The Official Xbox 360 thread - thread hardest
 
So anyone heard of the gutswapping going on with banned consoles? Basically, jackasses who had their modded consoles banned buy a new one at Best Buy, Walmart, etc. They open the new and old consoles up, swap out some internal components and then package the new one (with the banned hardware inside) back up so it looks like it hasn't been opened. Since the serial numbers match, the store accepts it as a return and puts it back on the floor.

There are quite a few message boards where people are openly bragging about doing this. A lot of the jerk-offs are even stupid enough to have the same email address associated with the board they're bragging on and their facebook/myspace account, so it's not hard to see who they are. I'm almost tempted to put together a couple small packets with names and locations of people saying they've done this and send them off to the relevant stores to look into.

Raul3 11-24-09 02:14 PM

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That's really bad.

I hope no one buys one of the returns, but I think there shouldn't be an issue with BB or WM if you return your console because it's banned (after you bought it from them).


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