We aren't here to sway your vote.

We're here to talk about our opinions on the merits of one videogame vs another.

alright...

but saying I'm wrong "cause I said so" obviously won't have me back down from my arguement, or point I was trying to make

No one is saying you're wrong. And, as far as I can remember, you didn't make a point. You just asked us to prove ours. This isn't KurrptSenateTalk last I checked. So, let's just talk about RS:V being a better game than GoW, shall we?

I don't consider you a know it all but I think that YOU think you know it all... You always seem to contradict in a negative way.. A perfect example from the Guitar Hero 2 for the 360 thread:

Your reply:

The thread goes on to have many users post that they agree they would like a left handed guitar and that the righty feels funny... That's not good enough for you.. You press for people to explain to them how it doesn't feel right!?!? I mean WTH?

See what I'm sayin??? Just because you opinion differs from others doesn't make yours right and their's wrong.. They are just different. We don't need to explain in details.. Even if we did you would still find a way to disagree somehow..

Referring to the above example...


from my vast experiences playing real guitar, and playing Guitar Hero, from my perspective, it definitely seems like a waste, considering the points I gave, which is obviously from my own personal experiences. Sure, I wouldn't exactly know the opposite view point, considering I play right handed.

It was only after, from other, left-handed players that I learned/remembered that the whammy bar would be on top of the strum bar, as opposed to being underneath it.

To relate that example to this thread, of course I will state my views from personal experience, as anyone else would. If my views seemed to be diametrically opposed to everyone else's, that doesn't mean my mind is already "made up", in that, I'm against the opposite point of view.

Its only from my questioning, like that other thread brought out, that I learned the other side of the coin, so to speak.

Sure, this is KurrptDVDtalk, but that won't deter me from asking questions, or throwing my point out there.

You can't "prove" something like this.

I think the shotgun is inconsistent. I have played several hundred (thousand?) hours of Halo 2. I think that my experience playing FPS on Xbox Live for several hundred hours makes me damn near an expert on what feels right in a FPS on Xbox Live. I know what lag is. I know what latency is. I know what a host advantage feels like from both sides of the problem. I can tell you that the shotgun in Halo 2 sometimes seems inconsistent. That is usually due to lag or latency. Over the course of several gaming sessions you adjust to that. In GoW, however, you do not get that feeling. Sometimes people die, sometimes they don't. Sometimes you shoot them with a shotgun and they chainsaw your freaking face off. Sometimes you shoot the shit out of someone and they chainsaw your face. Sometimes you go to chainsaw someone and they shoot you with one or two shots with the weak ass gun and you can't seem to chainsaw them, but then they have enough time to get their chainsaw out and tear you up.

IT IS NOT CONSISTENT. Things do not occur in the same way every time. Sometimes you win, sometimes they win. You can certainly get better at the game, but at the end of the day you never feel like your skill is 100% of the determining factor.

Now, that is something that's not provable. I don't have access to the code where I can break down the lines of code to show you why it works that way. But I know that it does. And I know that it sucks ass.

FWIW, R6V has serious host issues. But, you can't prove that. You can only experience it and accept it as fact.

I guess you could run a bunch of games as host and as guest and see what your kill:death ratio was. But, this isn't statisticstalk.com. It's videogametalk.com. And you wouldn't have any constant because of all the variables.

thx

This is obviously an exercise in futility. I think we're going to have to agree to disagree...about EVERYTHING! It just seems that some (well, one really) always have to make the opposite point about everything (and seemingly never be wrong). It's crazy.

Duster, I agree with you 100%. You don't have to prove it. I've seen it firsthand. It's unfortunate, really, because it is a good game. RS:V, although the graphics are not up to the level of GoW, seems to be more polished. The lag is better. The controls are more solid, not as sloppy. And, when you use a gun to shoot someone in the head, they don't continue to tear your face off with an unstoppable chain saw. Even Martin5 is starting to play RS:V more, but I think that is because they took away his sticky grenades.

...or just generalize

Well, they didn't so much take them away as they did make it so you have to be closer to the person rather then halfway across the map.

its subjectivity...


you can't be wrong, if thats what you think. I'm not sure why that's so hard for people to understand

Another thing that, to me, makes GoW so damn frustrating is the way the combat totally falls apart once you get close to someone. Since it takes so many hits to down someone with the assault rifles, you pretty much have no choice but to pull out the shotgun.

Even then it seems the whole thing turns into a guessing game, you cant hold left trigger to try and aim in close quarters, or your opponent will just run circles around you and your incredibly slow aiming. So precision firing is thrown out the window. Now the battle comes down to who can best guess when the opponent is in the center of his tv screen so he can shoot him. So unless you are like some people and tape a big X with tape on your TV set, the battle comes down to a guessing game.

The best proof of this is just by watching a typical close quarters battle in gears:

Player 1 has a sniper rifle , Player 2 flanks Player 1 with a shotgun.. fires a few shots close in, some hit Player 2 some dont. Player 1 now spins around and the two proceed to dance in circles firing at each other a few times, until finally Player 1 just starts jamming the B button and downs Player 2 with his sniper rifle melee. Round ends to cries of Player 2 screamin "That's Bullshit!!!"

In my opinion something is just wrong with a game in which you can sneak up on a unaware opponent, blast him with a shotgun only to get beat to death with a sniper rifle, because once he hits you it's all over.

And, I know this might seem like crazy talk, but you also don't have to prove it.

true, but that doesn't mean you can't express your opinion either

Nah Czar I still do just fine with the sticky nades. I've just chosen to move on to the Sniper Rifle.

Let's just stop feeding him. He's a person who is always right... Always has to have the last word... And loves to ruffle feathers..

mod note - no douche calling in these forums!

have fun in your glass house


/throws some stones

I guess the proof is in the pudding as they say

Mmmm.. pudding.....

"I'm gonna dip...."

...warehouse?

Here is some proof:

1) Chainsaw jump glitch: http://youtube.com/watch?v=E_FGNP1TJ24

2) Chainsaw death glitch: http://youtube.com/watch?v=88p5ewl0-xE

3) Chainsaw yourself glitch: http://youtube.com/watch?v=t_dpge9WWa4

And my personal favorite

4) Shotgun Hose glitch: http://youtube.com/watch?v=pY4-fK8lhDY

I concur....