75 million PS3s sold by 2010
01-03-07 | 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Michael Corvin
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Thinking about it, what is wrong with wanting them to fail anyway? I'm in it for the games and I have a BIG problem with price. It's $600 and $60 games this gen, but if they succeed at those prices what's to stop them from charging $1000 for the PS4 and $75 for games thus paving the way for the other companies to charge more as well? It is a downward spiral that began on Nov. 20, 2006. Just like the Horse Armor was the beginning of the Marketplace content downward spiral. They think they have carte blance when it comes to pricing because of their name, but by paying Sony's outrageous prices it tells them as well as Nintendo & MS that you are okay paying $600 for a gaming console. More people need to speak with their wallets.
Thinking about it, what is wrong with wanting them to fail anyway? I'm in it for the games and I have a BIG problem with price. It's $600 and $60 games this gen, but if they succeed at those prices what's to stop them from charging $1000 for the PS4 and $75 for games thus paving the way for the other companies to charge more as well? It is a downward spiral that began on Nov. 20, 2006. Just like the Horse Armor was the beginning of the Marketplace content downward spiral. They think they have carte blance when it comes to pricing because of their name, but by paying Sony's outrageous prices it tells them as well as Nintendo & MS that you are okay paying $600 for a gaming console. More people need to speak with their wallets.
01-03-07 | 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Michael Corvin
I don't think that is it at all, at least on these boards. I mean the average age around here is 30+, way beyond acting "cool" to a bunch of strangers.
Sony fucked up this gen royally...so far. Plain and simple. It has nothing to do with hating Sony. They are digging their own grave and the only people blind to the fact are the ones that are buying it for the brand name and not the console. Seriously, who buys a console for $600 for Resistance and 15+ other titles that are available on the $200 cheaper machine that not only look better but have far superior online capabilities? Brand name. That is what Sony is floating on and to be fair, that is what they have been banking on all along. Kudos to them for nailing their target demographic.
And to hit that 75 million Sony needs to start cranking them out, at roughly 19 million a year. That is a preposterous amount of consoles considering their price structure.
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Thinking about it, what is wrong with wanting them to fail anyway? I'm in it for the games and I have a BIG problem with price. It's $600 and $60 games this gen, but if they succeed at those prices what's to stop them from charging $1000 for the PS4 and $75 for games thus paving the way for the other companies to charge more as well? It is a downward spiral that began on Nov. 20, 2006. Just like the Horse Armor was the beginning of the Marketplace content downward spiral. They think they have carte blance when it comes to pricing because of their name, but by paying Sony's outrageous prices it tells them as well as Nintendo & MS that you are okay paying $600 for a gaming console. More people need to speak with their wallets.
To get equivalent to what you get with a PS3 with an Xbox 360 you need to buy the Premium for $400, then an HD-DVD Add-on $200, then a Wireless Network Adapter $100 so you can get online.....there's $700 and guess what? You still don't have HDMI and you have an hard drive which is only 20gb. Yes, the HD-DVD add-on is optional BUT if your a 360 owner then how can you not pass up a $200 HD-DVD player. In the end you pay more and support Microsoft and people want to hate Sony?
01-03-07 | 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Setzer
$200 cheaper?
To get equivalent to what you get with a PS3 with an Xbox 360 you need to buy the Premium for $400, then an HD-DVD Add-on $200, then a Wireless Network Adapter $100 so you can get online.....there's $700 and guess what? You still don't have HDMI and you have an hard drive which is only 20gb. Yes, the HD-DVD add-on is optional BUT if your a 360 owner then how can you not pass up a $200 HD-DVD player. In the end you pay more and support Microsoft and people want to hate Sony?
To get equivalent to what you get with a PS3 with an Xbox 360 you need to buy the Premium for $400, then an HD-DVD Add-on $200, then a Wireless Network Adapter $100 so you can get online.....there's $700 and guess what? You still don't have HDMI and you have an hard drive which is only 20gb. Yes, the HD-DVD add-on is optional BUT if your a 360 owner then how can you not pass up a $200 HD-DVD player. In the end you pay more and support Microsoft and people want to hate Sony?
God, this argument has come up before...
01-03-07 | 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Setzer
$200 cheaper?
To get equivalent to what you get with a PS3 with an Xbox 360 you need to buy the Premium for $400, then an HD-DVD Add-on $200, then a Wireless Network Adapter $100 so you can get online.....there's $700 and guess what? You still don't have HDMI and you have an hard drive which is only 20gb. Yes, the HD-DVD add-on is optional BUT if your a 360 owner then how can you not pass up a $200 HD-DVD player. In the end you pay more and support Microsoft and people want to hate Sony?
To get equivalent to what you get with a PS3 with an Xbox 360 you need to buy the Premium for $400, then an HD-DVD Add-on $200, then a Wireless Network Adapter $100 so you can get online.....there's $700 and guess what? You still don't have HDMI and you have an hard drive which is only 20gb. Yes, the HD-DVD add-on is optional BUT if your a 360 owner then how can you not pass up a $200 HD-DVD player. In the end you pay more and support Microsoft and people want to hate Sony?
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01-03-07 | 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Setzer
$200 cheaper?
To get equivalent to what you get with a PS3 with an Xbox 360 you need to buy the Premium for $400, then an HD-DVD Add-on $200, then a Wireless Network Adapter $100 so you can get online.....there's $700 and guess what? You still don't have HDMI and you have an hard drive which is only 20gb. Yes, the HD-DVD add-on is optional BUT if your a 360 owner then how can you not pass up a $200 HD-DVD player. In the end you pay more and support Microsoft and people want to hate Sony?
To get equivalent to what you get with a PS3 with an Xbox 360 you need to buy the Premium for $400, then an HD-DVD Add-on $200, then a Wireless Network Adapter $100 so you can get online.....there's $700 and guess what? You still don't have HDMI and you have an hard drive which is only 20gb. Yes, the HD-DVD add-on is optional BUT if your a 360 owner then how can you not pass up a $200 HD-DVD player. In the end you pay more and support Microsoft and people want to hate Sony?
You keep using this view to support that the PS3 is cheaper for a HiDef player and some of your points are true. The big problem is that what if you don't want BD. As a option can I remove it and use a standard DVD? No, You can't. HDMI, Is it needed? Yes for 1080P, but the percentage of TV with HDMI is pretty low. So if you are a supporter of BD, yes the PS3 is a bargain as a BD player. If you focus is gaming, No at present buying a PS3 is no bargain vs. the 360.
I hope in the future to get PS3 when the price drops to reasonable point. I just don't have a need for a BD player right now.
01-03-07 | 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Setzer
$200 cheaper?
To get equivalent to what you get with a PS3 with an Xbox 360 you need to buy the Premium for $400, then an HD-DVD Add-on $200, then a Wireless Network Adapter $100 so you can get online.....there's $700 and guess what? You still don't have HDMI and you have an hard drive which is only 20gb. Yes, the HD-DVD add-on is optional BUT if your a 360 owner then how can you not pass up a $200 HD-DVD player. In the end you pay more and support Microsoft and people want to hate Sony?
To get equivalent to what you get with a PS3 with an Xbox 360 you need to buy the Premium for $400, then an HD-DVD Add-on $200, then a Wireless Network Adapter $100 so you can get online.....there's $700 and guess what? You still don't have HDMI and you have an hard drive which is only 20gb. Yes, the HD-DVD add-on is optional BUT if your a 360 owner then how can you not pass up a $200 HD-DVD player. In the end you pay more and support Microsoft and people want to hate Sony?
Let's turn the table. I have an HDTV so I NEED component cables to enjoy my 360. I get those out of the box with my $400 Xbox. I do not have HDMI on my TV so I would NEED Sony Brand Component cables(third party does not suffice, so $80) for the PS3 making my entry to Sony gaming $680. I don't go around spouting that the PS3 costs $680 just because that's what it would cost me-individually, that is just silly. At that point the 360 would be $280 cheaper!
As for the "all I get is a 20GB drive" argument I have to say, I've had mine since launch and haven't dropped below 9Gb available. The 360 also doesn't require you to install GB chunks of data to play games, meaning I don't need that extra 40GB you seem to need.
So we can all fudge numbers and features all we want. Core vs. Premium system to system JUST TO PLAY GAMES is a $200 difference. Simple as that. I don't get the confusion.
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01-03-07 | 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Suprmallet
As some others have said, some people just want to plug in and play great games. With MS you can do that for $400. With the PS3 it's $600. Period.
01-03-07 | 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Setzer
You can get a PS3 for $500.
And you can get a 360 for $300. $200 difference. It may not be the desirable choice, but it can be done.
Originally Posted by Michael Corvin
Core vs. Premium system to system JUST TO PLAY GAMES is a $200 difference.
01-03-07 | 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Michael Corvin
As the previous posters have pointed out, this argument is seriously flawed and a tired one at that. You DON'T NEED an HD drive to play games. You DON'T NEED a $100 wireless adapter to play games. I'm online and it cost me the price of an ethernet cable. Far from $100. You are forcing your individual situation into the general consensus. You may need those features to appreciate the system but to people that just want to play games, we don't.
Let's turn the table. I have an HDTV so I NEED component cables to enjoy my 360. I get those out of the box with my $400 Xbox. I do not have HDMI on my TV so I would NEED Sony Brand Component cables(third party does not suffice, so $80) for the PS3 making my entry to Sony gaming $680. I don't go around spouting that the PS3 costs $680 just because that's what it would cost me-individually, that is just silly. At that point the 360 would be $280 cheaper!
As for the "all I get is a 20GB drive" argument I have to say, I've had mine since launch and haven't dropped below 9Gb available. The 360 also doesn't require you to install GB chunks of data to play games, meaning I don't need that extra 40GB you seem to need.
So we can all fudge numbers and features all we want. Core vs. Premium system to system JUST TO PLAY GAMES is a $200 difference. Simple as that. I don't get the confusion.
Let's turn the table. I have an HDTV so I NEED component cables to enjoy my 360. I get those out of the box with my $400 Xbox. I do not have HDMI on my TV so I would NEED Sony Brand Component cables(third party does not suffice, so $80) for the PS3 making my entry to Sony gaming $680. I don't go around spouting that the PS3 costs $680 just because that's what it would cost me-individually, that is just silly. At that point the 360 would be $280 cheaper!
As for the "all I get is a 20GB drive" argument I have to say, I've had mine since launch and haven't dropped below 9Gb available. The 360 also doesn't require you to install GB chunks of data to play games, meaning I don't need that extra 40GB you seem to need.
So we can all fudge numbers and features all we want. Core vs. Premium system to system JUST TO PLAY GAMES is a $200 difference. Simple as that. I don't get the confusion.
Ok, you all say "at least Microsoft gives you the option" -- ok, that's cool. I never said I supported Sony's idea to include a BD player in the PS3 - I believe it's a risky move and who knows if they'll succeed. I do however think that what you're getting for $600 is a good value. Some people may not see it that way and that's fine but for those of you who post here, the majority of you have Xbox Live and I believe the majority of you also went out and bought the $200 HD add-on and yet you bitch about Sony price gouging the consumer with a $600 console even though you, yourself spent the same, if not more on your Xbox 360 + Add-ons. This is what pisses me off. You hate Sony because of a $500/$600 PS3 and yet you have no problem spending $400 on a 360 and then spend $300 on add-ons.
01-03-07 | 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Michael Corvin
And you can get a 360 for $300. $200 difference. It may not be the desirable choice, but it can be done.... and round and round the argument goes...
01-03-07 | 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Setzer
This is what pisses me off. You hate Sony because of a $500/$600 PS3 and yet you have no problem spending $400 on a 360 and then spend $300 on add-ons.
Like I said above, I'm in it for gaming.
01-03-07 | 11:05 AM
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I don't hate Sony, I just can't stomach paying $600 for a video game console. I waited until I could get the XBox for $330 after discounts. I don't want a Blu-Ray player because I'm not interested in the next generation of DVD yet because I don't want to pay the difference between regular DVD and HD-DVD/Blu-Ray.
01-03-07 | 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Michael Corvin
And data to back up those claims? I don't own the HD drive or the wireless adapter. I believe the 1up guys reported, in a recent podcast,the HD install base thus far was around 5% of 360 owners. Far from what you are claiming.
Like I said above, I'm in it for gaming.
Like I said above, I'm in it for gaming.
01-03-07 | 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Setzer
You can get a PS3 for $500.
01-03-07 | 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Setzer
$200 cheaper?
To get equivalent to what you get with a PS3 with an Xbox 360 you need to buy the Premium for $400, then an HD-DVD Add-on $200, then a Wireless Network Adapter $100 so you can get online.....there's $700 and guess what? You still don't have HDMI and you have an hard drive which is only 20gb. Yes, the HD-DVD add-on is optional BUT if your a 360 owner then how can you not pass up a $200 HD-DVD player. In the end you pay more and support Microsoft and people want to hate Sony?
To get equivalent to what you get with a PS3 with an Xbox 360 you need to buy the Premium for $400, then an HD-DVD Add-on $200, then a Wireless Network Adapter $100 so you can get online.....there's $700 and guess what? You still don't have HDMI and you have an hard drive which is only 20gb. Yes, the HD-DVD add-on is optional BUT if your a 360 owner then how can you not pass up a $200 HD-DVD player. In the end you pay more and support Microsoft and people want to hate Sony?
Also, nearly any wireless adapter can be used, so it's not necessarily $100.
And HDMI, again, is not required, nor is it a huge selling feature with the general public.
To the hardcore gamer/videophile, the PS3 is a good deal. But the hardcore gamers aren't where the profits come from, either.
01-03-07 | 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Setzer
for those of you who post here, the majority of you have Xbox Live and I believe the majority of you also went out and bought the $200 HD add-on
01-03-07 | 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Michael Corvin
As the previous posters have pointed out, this argument is seriously flawed and a tired one at that. You DON'T NEED an HD drive to play games. You DON'T NEED a $100 wireless adapter to play games. I'm online and it cost me the price of an ethernet cable. Far from $100. You are forcing your individual situation into the general consensus. You may need those features to appreciate the system but to people that just want to play games, we don't.
Let's turn the table. I have an HDTV so I NEED component cables to enjoy my 360. I get those out of the box with my $400 Xbox. I do not have HDMI on my TV so I would NEED Sony Brand Component cables(third party does not suffice, so $80) for the PS3 making my entry to Sony gaming $680. I don't go around spouting that the PS3 costs $680 just because that's what it would cost me-individually, that is just silly. At that point the 360 would be $280 cheaper!
As for the "all I get is a 20GB drive" argument I have to say, I've had mine since launch and haven't dropped below 9Gb available. The 360 also doesn't require you to install GB chunks of data to play games, meaning I don't need that extra 40GB you seem to need.
So we can all fudge numbers and features all we want. Core vs. Premium system to system JUST TO PLAY GAMES is a $200 difference. Simple as that. I don't get the confusion.
Let's turn the table. I have an HDTV so I NEED component cables to enjoy my 360. I get those out of the box with my $400 Xbox. I do not have HDMI on my TV so I would NEED Sony Brand Component cables(third party does not suffice, so $80) for the PS3 making my entry to Sony gaming $680. I don't go around spouting that the PS3 costs $680 just because that's what it would cost me-individually, that is just silly. At that point the 360 would be $280 cheaper!
As for the "all I get is a 20GB drive" argument I have to say, I've had mine since launch and haven't dropped below 9Gb available. The 360 also doesn't require you to install GB chunks of data to play games, meaning I don't need that extra 40GB you seem to need.
So we can all fudge numbers and features all we want. Core vs. Premium system to system JUST TO PLAY GAMES is a $200 difference. Simple as that. I don't get the confusion.
01-03-07 | 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Setzer
It's a $100 difference in price if you want to make that comparison. Anyone who buys the core 360 package is a fool, imo.
01-03-07 | 11:28 AM
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I do however think that what you're getting for $600 is a good value.
Take this as an example:
Imagine there is a huge pile of manure being sold for $1. To farmers, that would be a good deal since they use manure for fertilizing their land. To everyone else, it is just a big pile of shit, so it is not a good deal even at $1.
The majority of you have Xbox Live and I believe the majority of you also went out and bought the $200 HD add-on and yet you bitch about Sony price gouging the consumer with a $600 console even though you, yourself spent the same, if not more on your Xbox 360 + Add-ons.
Don't forget that most members here on DVDTalk are hardcore home theater fanatics. Most people here are really into HD-DVD/Blu-ray, so of course most people here are buying the MS HD-DVD drive. This is far from true in the "real" world where most people couldn't care less about having the highest quality of movie watching. These people couldn't care less that there is a Blu-ray drive in the PS3 and they won't buy the 360 HD-DVD either.
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01-03-07 | 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Originally Posted by Setzer
for those of you who post here, the majority of you have Xbox Live and I believe the majority of you also went out and bought the $200 HD add-on
Originally Posted by Michael Corvin
Fair enough, I'm not one in the purported claim above.
01-03-07 | 11:29 AM
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OK guys - we've gone over the shit in this thread WAY too many times already. People are entitled to their opinions, but due to the nature of the beast feelings get stomped on and opinions get taken too personally. So let's cut it out right now.
I have a PS3 - yes it sucks that out of the box the cabling was inadequate. I knew that though making it my choice. Also, I have yet to experience a title that REQUIRED a install. I had the option with Genji - but it was an option.
I have a 360. Is the 20G a shortcoming? Not yet. I hover around 10G at all times. Even with downloading movies and tv shows.
So let's cut the back and forth before it results in a thread being locked or worse.
I have a PS3 - yes it sucks that out of the box the cabling was inadequate. I knew that though making it my choice. Also, I have yet to experience a title that REQUIRED a install. I had the option with Genji - but it was an option.
I have a 360. Is the 20G a shortcoming? Not yet. I hover around 10G at all times. Even with downloading movies and tv shows.
So let's cut the back and forth before it results in a thread being locked or worse.
01-03-07 | 11:34 AM
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Back to the topic:
PS2 sold 100 million.
PS1 sold 100 million.
Why would the PS3 suddenly lose half of its installed base? Even during Nintendo's post-SNES freefall, they didn't lose 50% in the US going from the SNES to the Gamecube.
The only time a console maker flubbed so hard as to lose 50% or more in a generation was Sega from the Genesis to the Saturn. The PS3 sales might be underwhelming compared to the Wii, but Sega would've killed to see that kind of success.
PS2 sold 100 million.
PS1 sold 100 million.
Why would the PS3 suddenly lose half of its installed base? Even during Nintendo's post-SNES freefall, they didn't lose 50% in the US going from the SNES to the Gamecube.
The only time a console maker flubbed so hard as to lose 50% or more in a generation was Sega from the Genesis to the Saturn. The PS3 sales might be underwhelming compared to the Wii, but Sega would've killed to see that kind of success.
01-03-07 | 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by abrg923
they're showing up everywhere in stores, available to purchase, despite a shortage of consoles made. Name the last system that happened with.