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Old 09-22-06 | 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by PixyJunket
If the 20 GB version has HDMI and is $400 in the US.. *crosses Xbox 360 off of "To Buy (eventually) List"*
If this happens I totally agree. It is a big if.

I've never seen Sony so quick to change something. They must be feeling some heat from MS and Nintendo, not to mention Toshiba.
Old 09-22-06 | 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Vandelay_Inds
Interesting move. If they are cutting the price of the PS3 in Japan where they face less competition (the Xbox will NEVER sell there), why wouldn't they do so as well in the US?
As others mentioned, they could be doing it to counter nintendo.

The DS has absolutely slaughtered the PSP in Japan, so they may be taking the Wii more seriously after they were overconfident with their handheld.
Old 09-22-06 | 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Vandelay_Inds
Interesting move. If they are cutting the price of the PS3 in Japan where they face less competition (the Xbox will NEVER sell there), why wouldn't they do so as well in the US?
I don't understand why they are cutting the price at all. It's not like the PS3 isn't going to sell out everywhere ...
Old 09-22-06 | 12:06 PM
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If I were a betting man, I'd bet that it is part of Sony's "master plan" to announce a U.S. price drop shortly before the U.S. launch. Just pure speculation on my part, but it would be a very smart marketing move to gain momentum.

I would happily take that bet and your money. There will be people lined up around the block to give Sony as much money as they want for the PS3. It will be in such high demand you won't find it for months. They are not a charity. They know US gamers will bend over for it. Japan is just a smart counter to Wii, which isn't on the radar of someone in the US buying the PS3 (in an either-only situation).
Old 09-22-06 | 12:10 PM
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I thought Japan had open pricing?
That's only for the 60GB model.
Old 09-22-06 | 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Vandelay_Inds
Same holds true for the US. Even more, here they face Nintendo PLUS Microsoft.

MS is fair point, but the DS and PSP are pretty much even in US sales (PSP was ahead before DS lite came out).
Old 09-22-06 | 12:15 PM
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They know US gamers will bend over for it. Japan is just a smart counter to Wii, which isn't on the radar of someone in the US buying the PS3 (in an either-only situation).
Exactly. A US PS3 buyer is going to be wanting Resitance, the GTA games etc. that they enjoyed on the PS2.

In Japan, those games sell, but there were tons of RPGs and quirky japanese games etc. on the PS2 that helped make it so popular and will do the same for the PS3. Thus the PS3 is in a bit of a more direct competion in Japan, where in the US they are largely seperate markets.
Old 09-22-06 | 12:18 PM
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Back at the beginning of the year, Sony maintained that they were still on track for a Spring 06 launch and then when Spring arrived, they claimed that issues with Blu-Ray prevented a Spring launch. Then a few months later at E3 they showcased their motion-sensing controller was still under development and claimed that it WASN'T a last minute add-on. If it wasn't a last minute add-on, then how could they have expected to release the PS3 in the Spring with those controllers if their controllers weren't finished?

They were never serious about delivering systems in the Spring. It's Sony, they just wanted to keep themselves in the headlines. Sony is notorious for promising and not delivering.
Old 09-22-06 | 12:18 PM
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I don't understand why they are cutting the price at all. It's not like the PS3 isn't going to sell out everywhere ...
True. But I think they are extremely worried about the Wii and the impact it's going to have on the market with it's price point.
Old 09-22-06 | 12:20 PM
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I'm all for a substantial price cut.

That said, I hope there's some adapters out for the thing pretty quick, Resistance could be fun but I #@$ing HATE playing FPS games on the Playstation pad, so damn akward and uncomfortable w/ the analogue locations.
Old 09-22-06 | 12:38 PM
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This could backfire for Sony. One major retailer has the 60GB version for 72,000 yen, with this version at 50,000...that is a huge price difference for what, a bigger hard drive, wifi and memory card support?

With only 20% supposed to be the 20GB version, that is only 20,000 at launch with the lower price. They may find people holding off on the 60GB version to get a much cheaper 20GB version with nearly identical features. This is definately a much better value.
Old 09-22-06 | 01:11 PM
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MS is fair point, but the DS and PSP are pretty much even in US sales (PSP was ahead before DS lite came out).
DS Lite has also outsold the PSP since its US release. Pretty wide margin. The PSP is pretty much out of gas worldwide, but it has faired better in the US.

Sony is worried about Japan though. You don't want your ass handed to you in your home country. They don't have to worry about MS, but they can't risk understimating the Wii.
Old 09-22-06 | 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Binger
They were never serious about delivering systems in the Spring. It's Sony, they just wanted to keep themselves in the headlines. Sony is notorious for promising and not delivering.
I guess so... especially considering that none of the gamer sites/blogs have taken Sony to task over their lies. It seems to me that the console gaming industry itself is one big game for the purpose of creating and feeding the fanboys of various systems.

I'm too old and don't have the time or inclination to deal with that crap.
Old 09-22-06 | 05:38 PM
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It seems to me that the console gaming industry itself is one big game for the purpose of creating and feeding the fanboys of various systems.
Isn't every industry?
Old 09-22-06 | 07:54 PM
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Even though there's no guarantee that a price cut would occur in the US, it'd probably be REALLY smart on their part. It'll be exciting to see what happens with these companies with the all out war in November...
Old 09-22-06 | 08:24 PM
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Isn't every industry?
No. I can't think of another industry where outright lies are not only tolerated, but accepted. When was the last time a Toyota spokesman announced something that they knew was a lie at the time they said it?
Old 09-22-06 | 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Fandango
That's only for the 60GB model.
Can you provide a link to that? Everything I've heard said open pricing on all models.
Old 09-22-06 | 09:07 PM
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Answering the above and adding some analyst criticism of the move: http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?op...=3864&Itemid=2
Yoku Ihara, head of equity research at Retela Crea Securities told Bloomberg, “It's ridiculous to decide to cut the price before they start selling the PlayStation 3. They may cut the price again if sales don't go well.”

Sony cut the price of the 20GB hard drive-equipped PS3 under heavy criticism that the system was too costly. The company reduced the price from just over 60,000 yen ($516) to 49,980 yen ($430). Japanese retailers will determine the price of high-end, 60GB PS3s.

The price reduction is limited to the Japanese market.

Naoki Fujiwara with Shinkin Asset Management added that the cut “is negative for the short term because the company may not be able to sell enough consoles to cover an instant loss caused by the price cut.”

The PS3 is set to launch November 11 in Japan.
Old 09-22-06 | 09:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Michael Corvin
So 100,000 people in the world get a discount. Yippee.
20,000. IIRC, only a fifth of the ps3s are supposed to be the cheaper version.
Old 09-23-06 | 12:39 AM
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20,000. IIRC, only a fifth of the ps3s are supposed to be the cheaper version.
That is even funnier. What it would be like to be a fly on the wall in one of Sony's board meetings.
Old 09-23-06 | 12:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Michael Corvin
That is even funnier. What it would be like to be a fly on the wall in one of Sony's board meetings.
Probably wondering why they are dropping price at all. US sales are gonna eat this.
Old 09-23-06 | 01:46 AM
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The cut doesn't make much sense from a business standpoint. They just take a bigger loss on consoles that would have sold instantly anyway.
You have to think about this a bit in the long view too. What happens if Sony drops the price $100 in Febuary? You piss off a lot of people that paid full price, and leave other people thinking "hmm. Maybe I should wait for another price drop, it's dropping so fast".

You also might have people more willing to wait for stock to come in than at the $500 pricepoint. Less people that go "too expensive, I'll just get a Wii".

People waited out the Dreamcast for the PS2 like that, but would the Dreamcast have done better if the PS2 had been $400 coming out? Perhaps.
Old 09-23-06 | 08:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Gallant Pig
I would happily take that bet and your money. There will be people lined up around the block to give Sony as much money as they want for the PS3. It will be in such high demand you won't find it for months. They are not a charity. They know US gamers will bend over for it. Japan is just a smart counter to Wii, which isn't on the radar of someone in the US buying the PS3 (in an either-only situation).
I agree that the first batch of PS3s will sell out. Common sense. I'm thinking more along the lines of the second and third batches where they try to appeal to Joe 6-pack and not the hardcore gamer. They need to get that price down at least $100 or they are screwed IMO, destined to go the way of the 3DO.

Also, like GreenMonkey said, dropping the price shortly after launch to appeal to J6P would be an even worse move because it would piss off those who bought at full price a couple months prior and, more importantly, it would be a market indicator of poor value (to have the price drop so quickly). Doing so prior to launch, however, would avoid these issues.

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Old 09-23-06 | 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Goldblum
I agree that the first batch of PS3s will sell out. Common sense. I'm thinking more along the lines of the second and third batches where they try to appeal to Joe 6-pack and not the hardcore gamer. They need to get that price down at least $100 or they are screwed IMO, destined to go the way of the 3DO.

Also, like GreenMonkey said, dropping the price shortly after launch to appeal to J6P would be an even worse move because it would piss off those who bought at full price a couple months prior and, more importantly, it would be a market indicator of poor value (to have the price drop so quickly). Doing so prior to launch, however, would avoid these issues.
Why would Sony care about pissing off those who already bought a PS3 on launch day? They're the hardcore gamers and scalpers. The scalpers will have made their money, and the hardcore gamers are used to price drops after the fact.
Old 09-23-06 | 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by sracer
Why would Sony care about pissing off those who already bought a PS3 on launch day? They're the hardcore gamers and scalpers. The scalpers will have made their money, and the hardcore gamers are used to price drops after the fact.
What you've demonstrated here is a level of consumer and market understanding that I don't believe Sony actually possesses.


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