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aliciaelena 08-17-06 09:05 AM


Originally Posted by darkside
I was hoping, but apparently they are simply pulled and returned. No clearance deals on them. I'm figuring those discs have to end up somewhere, but really have no idea.


They will end up on eBay, being sold as rare and collectible for who knows how much money.

dvdlover631 08-17-06 01:26 PM

They sell quite well on Ebay, especially when offered in lot form. I think UMD's have a good future in the collectible business! Just my opinion...

DVDave1963 08-30-06 01:33 AM


Originally Posted by dvdlover631
They sell quite well on Ebay, especially when offered in lot form. I think UMD's have a good future in the collectible business! Just my opinion...


Kind of like Batamax, 8-Track, and DAT -smile- ... I never got it, perhaps I missed it, why buy UMD's when a DVD player is cheap and you don't have to dupe your collection.

Decker 08-30-06 01:41 AM

Bottom line : UMDs were selling well when there were very few games to play on the system. Now that there are lots of games, most don't want to plunk $20-$25 on a movie they already own.

spainlinx0 08-30-06 03:19 AM


Originally Posted by Decker
Bottom line : UMDs were selling well when there were very few games to play on the system. Now that there are lots of games, most don't want to plunk $20-$25 on a movie they already own.

Perhaps a bare launch could help BD as well. :)

Mike Long 09-13-06 02:24 PM

BUMP

Found a few deals online. Anymore deals spotted in stores?

DRG 09-13-06 02:48 PM


Originally Posted by DVDave1963
I never got it, perhaps I missed it, why buy UMD's when a DVD player is cheap and you don't have to dupe your collection.

The appeal in theory is that it would be one less device to carry around. If you're already bringing a game system, why not have it play your movies as well? And even the smallest portable DVD players are somewhat bulky in the sense you couldn't fit it in most jacket pockets. PSP is much more portable in that regard.

Of course, none of this matters when Sony/the studios overprice the discs. At under ten bucks these are a decent option. But when they are charging MORE than a DVD in most cases, for a product with less diversity in use and few or no extras, it defeats the whole point.

aliciaelena 09-13-06 03:01 PM


Originally Posted by Mike Long
BUMP

Found a few deals online. Anymore deals spotted in stores?


My Local Best Buy had Toy Story for $14.99, Clerks for $9.99, Tron for $9.99, those are the only ones I recall, but they had other titles marked down to the $9.99 price.

DRG 09-13-06 03:57 PM


Originally Posted by aliciaelena
My Local Best Buy had Toy Story for $14.99, Clerks for $9.99, Tron for $9.99, those are the only ones I recall, but they had other titles marked down to the $9.99 price.

Interesting, those are all Buena Vista titles. By looking at the same titles and others from Buena Vista at Deep Discount DVD it appears there has been an official price drop. Toy Story is listed at DDD at $12.71, Clerks is $8.47.

Other Buena Vista bargains at DDD:

$8.47
The Crow
Sin City
Kill Bill vol. 1
Kill Bill vol. 2
King Arthur
Lost - The Pilot Episodes
Hero
Clerks
Gone in 60 Seconds (Nic Cage version)
Sky High
Glory Road
Hostage
Cursed (unrated)
Dark Water (US reamke)
Tron
Flightplan
Coyote Ugly
Reign of Fire

$12.71
Toy Story
The Incredibles
Eight Below
Pulp Fiction
Armageddon
The Chronicles of Narnia
Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl
Herbie Fully Loaded
Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy
National Treasure
The Rock
Adventures of Sharkboy & Lavagirl

Assuming these things are still at stock and still cheap, these could be a great bargain during the 20% off sale. These are the types of price points we should have been seeing all along. It would be interesting if they sold a bunch of these at this price. Would it cause studios to reevaluate the UMD market?

Raul3 09-14-06 01:51 PM

wow! for $8.47 I have no problem getting The Crow, Sin City, KB I and II, Lost, Hero and Clerks.

Mike Long 12-14-06 09:33 PM

Resurrecting this thread again...Got VAN WILDER at BJs for $3.90. It was the last UMD movie in the store. I think that it had fallen behind the shelf and been lost for several months before it was found and marked down.

Wildo1966 12-15-06 10:24 AM

Long live UMD's! I still love them!

DRG 12-15-06 10:35 AM

Oddly enough, I noticed our Target has gotten a few UMDs back in the store (Click & Monty Python & the Holy Grail), although they are in the PSP case now instead of the DVD section.

porieux 12-15-06 05:19 PM

UMD was a solution to a problem nobody had.

Jimmy James 12-15-06 06:38 PM


Originally Posted by porieux
UMD was a solution to a problem nobody had.

An answer to a question nobody asked.

mmconhea 12-16-06 01:50 PM

A disc format for a system nobody bought.

Centurion 12-17-06 10:06 AM

Hahaha!
We get the point guys...UMD blows! :lol:

Decker 12-17-06 02:58 PM


Originally Posted by mmconhea
A disc format for a system nobody bought.

Wrong, people bought the system, just not the UMDs. There were video cartridges for the GBA, which has sold tens of millions of units and people didn't buy those, either.

mmconhea 12-18-06 08:18 AM


Originally Posted by Decker
Wrong, people bought the system, just not the UMDs. There were video cartridges for the GBA, which has sold tens of millions of units and people didn't buy those, either.

Chill, it was a joke. (we all know the PSP is not as sucessful as it could have been, but you'd have to be insane to think it is a failure).
What does GBA have anything to do with it? Talking with Majesco at e3 a few years back, the video series on GBA was a huge sucess limited only by the life span of the GBA. They even went on to start porting over full length films to the format. That's saying a lot since the sheer manufacturing costs alone was prohibitive to the format. Majesco is now currently working towards a video line for the DS... so I would say your statement is incorrect.

starving dvder 08-04-07 06:34 AM

I have been reading on the net that UMD movie format is making a comeback and Target is or about to stock them again. I hope so, I think the format is a great idea for the PSP. I just wish they could have kept the prices around 10-15 bucks though.

The argument about using other means to watch movies also have their faults. You would be lucky to watch a whole movie on your lap top even with the brightness level on dark. :D Portable dvd players are a good option, but they are still really bulky compared to the PSP.

BTW, any of Canucks looking for deals, check out Futureshop. I found Saw, Crash, Open Waters and The Devil's Rejects for only 5.99 Canadian. Wal Mart had a 2 for 10 deal over a month ago. Bought a nice stack from that sale (Blade, Bourne Identity, Cursed, Unleashed and Butterfly Effect).

uncle-frank 08-04-07 12:53 PM

only time i ever bought a umd was at walmart, it was 5 bucks canadian new for wedding crashers (needed something to watch on the train ride home)

that was a reasonable price, anything more is just unrealistic considering the dvds are better quality ect.

darkside 08-04-07 02:27 PM

The only problem with the UMD movies was price. Even Sony admits that. Price them at $9.99 combined with the fact the new PSP can output them at DVD resolution and you have a great deal. I'm planning on getting the new PSP and will start buying cheap UMDs again since I can also watch them on TV when needed.

edstein 08-04-07 04:13 PM

I'll stick with transferring my dvd's to memory sticks. I'm done with UMDs.

starving dvder 08-04-07 07:52 PM

Another thing about the memory stick. If you can get them on sale, a 2 GB stick will run you about 60 to 80 bucks (Canadian). The most you can get on a 2 GB memory stick is 4 high quality downloads. If you can find 4 UMD movies at 15 dollars a pop, it's actually cheaper than getting a memory stick.

The only good thing about memory sticks is you don't have to carry a huge collection around and it doesn't wear out you battery as fast as a UMD.

PerryD 08-04-07 09:52 PM

Fry's has the 4GB sticks on sale every few weeks for around $40.

edstein 08-04-07 11:11 PM

That's what I paid for my 4gb. The deals are out there. Use google checkout at buy.com.

starving dvder 08-06-07 04:18 AM


Originally Posted by edstein
That's what I paid for my 4gb. The deals are out there. Use google checkout at buy.com.


Just a reminder my prices are in Canadian dollars since I live in Canuckland. :D

I would love to get a 8gb stick, but it's almost the same price as the PSP.

darkside 08-06-07 08:49 AM


Originally Posted by edstein
I'll stick with transferring my dvd's to memory sticks. I'm done with UMDs.

I haven't owned a PSP in awhile. Did Sony every unlock the full screen resolution for things off of the memory stick? That was one of the things that drove me crazy about the PSP.

edstein 08-06-07 09:08 AM


Originally Posted by darkside
I haven't owned a PSP in awhile. Did Sony every unlock the full screen resolution for things off of the memory stick? That was one of the things that drove me crazy about the PSP.

Yes.

darkside 08-06-07 10:40 AM


Originally Posted by edstein
Yes.

Yet another reason to buy one. Guess I'm getting at least a 4GB stick with it.

wlj 08-08-07 11:02 AM

i love my psp. i have been able to fit 3 DVD movies on a 1 GB stick. i have had no need for umd movies. rock on.

devilshalo 08-20-08 11:48 AM


Originally Posted by darkside (Post 8051491)
The only problem with the UMD movies was price. Even Sony admits that. Price them at $9.99 combined with the fact the new PSP can output them at DVD resolution and you have a great deal. I'm planning on getting the new PSP and will start buying cheap UMDs again since I can also watch them on TV when needed.

Sony takes a new angle on PSP movies

Publication: Video Business
Publication Date: 08/19/2008 17:51:27

Game maker licenses content, lowers prices

AUG. 15 | Sony Computer Entertainment is taking another stab at establishing the PlayStation Portable as a film viewing device, by lowering title prices, signing studio deals to license content and making digital copies playable on the handheld system.

When the PSP launched in 2005, all of the major studios were churning out films in the portable console’s Universal Media Disc format. However, games ultimately proved to be far better sellers on PSP, and nearly all the major studios stopped generating UMDs after about one and half years of production. Sony Pictures Home Entertainment was the exception.

Although the new release pipeline substantially dried up, PSP owners were still accessing films. But they were mostly doing so illegally, transferring ripped Web files to their systems. At the same time, studios cannot ignore the PSP’s 13 million U.S. hardware base as the DVD market matures.

“We want to provide a legal offering from the studios, … and it’s an easier conversation to have with them now,” said John Koller, director of hardware marketing at Sony Computer Entertainment America. “There’s a lot of positive momentum with the PSP.”

To make sure consumers buy UMDs this go around, Sony is shaving new release list prices to $9.99 to $14.99. That is $10 to $25 less than UMD initial pricing a few years ago.

To attract studios, Sony Computer is promising to do the bulk of the work with UMDs. Sony will license, manufacture, distribute, market and sell the studios’ films for them for the PSP.


MTV was the first supplier to agree to these terms, which resulted in the bow earlier this year of nine UMDs, spanning seasons of such shows as Viva La Bam and Jackass. A second wave of MTV UMDs should street by the end of the year. Additional studios are expected to announce UMD licensing deals with Sony in the next several months, added Koller.

Sony’s goal is to distribute five to seven studio-licensed UMDs each quarter, not including movies from its sister studio.

Koller said Sony is pleased with MTV UMD sales, believing consumers are drawn in “because it’s getting close to an impulse purchase” in price.

Additionally, Sony wants to release titles that narrowly appeal to young men, who make up 92% of PSP owners. Its core demographic is the 15- to 17-year-old male teen.

“The biggest issue with UMD was the lack of creating for a targeted demo,” said Koller. “When we first launched, it was a difficult sale. I don’t think it’s a big stretch to say that a 16-year-old doesn’t have a lot of discretionary income. … We were offering UMDs that were more expensive than DVDs at the time. And we want content that is in line with what the demo is asking for, action and comedy … not romantic dramas.”

SPHE, for instance, has set Prom Night and Don’t Mess With the Zohan to bow on UMD on Aug. 19 and Oct. 7, respectively.

Best-selling UMDs to date include New Line Home Entertainment’s Wedding Crashers and Sony’s Superbad.

To further enhance PSP’s film capabilities, Sony is courting studios to make DVD digital copies compatible with the handheld system. Today, Sony’s DVD unit is the only studio embedding copies for PSP playback.

“The studios are looking at this and saying, what are the myriad of ways that content can reach all of the various consumer touch points?” said Koller. “They want to grow that consumer base that they have.”

At least one studio source indicates they are eager to make its digital copies compatible with PSP so as to prevent Apple from creating a monopoly with its portable media. There is a fear that Apple might grow to be the digital version of Wal-Mart, exerting the same power with studios over downloading/streaming as the bricks-and-mortar chain does with DVD.


Koller is especially confident that studios will sign on to UMD and digital copy because of their recent support of the PlayStation 3 download and streaming service. Since July, most studios have been offering digital film sales and rentals that people can transfer from their PS3 to their PSP. People also can order content directly from PCs at www.store.playstation.com and transfer to a PSP through a USB cable.

Also, Sony licensed Walt Disney Studios Home Entertainment’s National Treasure 2: Book of Secrets for a customized hardware/software bundle streeting in October. This UMD will only be available in this bundle, priced at $199, and won’t be sold separately.

“The future of PSP is bright for video because of all the different methods consumers have to enjoy it,” Koller said.

Draven 08-20-08 12:19 PM

$5 discs or it's just gonna flop again.

Or, they should sell the movies for $2.99 on the Sony store and make out like gangbusters.

darkside 08-20-08 04:06 PM

I've bought a ton at that magic $5 price point. Hopefully it is $9.99 MSRP and stores sell them for less. I still love the format as a nice portable option. With the Gamestop $4.99 sales and the B1G1 for $10 at Circuit City I have built a nice little collection of movies.

I definitely prefer them to DRM files for $9.99. Which is Sony's other option.

starving dvder 08-22-08 10:40 AM

This is great news!! My UMD movie collection needs to get moving along again. :D

RForte1189 08-24-08 02:22 AM

i just use 3GPconverter on my comp to convert the movies to mpeg-4 format, then stick them on my mem stick n watch them... for free! sony is ridiculous, you think they would have learned when they started losing money... whos going to pay 60-100 bucks for one movie?

GatorDeb 08-24-08 04:33 AM

And DealExtreme.com has fake 8 gig memory sticks pro duo that work as well as real ones and are $ 30 each, with an available space of 7.7X gigs, so that fits about 10 movies. $3 each :D

Chris_D 08-24-08 07:39 AM

How well do they actually work? Just I bought a 4gig fake off ebay and it has errors all the time. Not sure I would recommend that approach for anyone unless they definitely know what they're getting into. The saving is not worth the hassle IMO.

GatorDeb 08-24-08 08:38 AM

I bought 4 and they all work great. One for me, one for niece, two for coworker. Work great on Slim and Phat. The difference is that you lose a bit of space (the fake ones have 7.74 or so available, don't know what a real one would have but it's miniscule) and the transfer speeds are slower from PC to card (no noticeable slowdown in PSP itself). Since I leave it loading and walk away to do other stuff, speed of transfer is unimportant to me.

Maybe eBay ones fail more than the ones from Deal Extreme?

darkside 08-24-08 09:08 AM

I know someone that uses a fake one, but I have found the real ones cheap enough. I paid under $20 for both of my 4GB sticks and can hold plenty on those. I don't want to risk having corrupt data and from what I have read the fake ones are very hit and miss on reliability.


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