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Ralph Wiggum 05-13-06 09:35 AM

Nintendo: I think they've been "back" for awhile now, but this E3 was a nice way to let the world know. They didn't show the sort of NEW, Wii-only game(s) that I was hoping to see, but they had a ton of stuff that looked like fun. That said, I have no doubt the interesting games are coming, if the DS example is any indication. The Wii is so far ahead of where the DS was at a comparable point in its life, its not even funny. Speaking of DS: just an unbelievable lineup. Nothing more to say there.

Sony: Calling this a debacle is perhaps a bit kind. It's too bad that Sony has finally begun to live up to their "control your living room" PR blather because I've enjoyed their consoles to date. Now their games looked boring, and their system is way overpriced. It seems that Sony isn't at all interested in the PSP, either.

Josh H 05-13-06 09:36 AM


Originally Posted by Michael Corvin
Gallant responded with games(big ones at that) that covered a half dozen genres. The variety is there, you-like many others, just don't want to see it.

Yep, the X-box, and the 360 now, definitely had more than just FPS, Sports and Racing games.

Unfortunately they still lack in the areas I like, namely platformers, japanese RPGs (though Blue Dragon will change that, but is just 1 game), and quirky japanese games.

But I wouldn't say they're is a dearth of variety. Just a dearth of the genres of games I like to play. But that's just because I have limited interest in gaming these days and fairly narrow tastes to begin with.

darkside 05-13-06 10:06 AM


Originally Posted by Ralph Wiggum
It seems that Sony isn't at all interested in the PSP, either.

This is the one that angered me. This is still a very new platform and Sony had little to say about it at E3. The game lineup shown for it was pathetic compared to what was shown for the DS. There are a few games to look foward to, but overall it seems like an unwanted stepchild.

Terrell 05-13-06 11:53 AM


Sony- I can't knock their show, mainly because the price point is pretty good considering what you'll receive and they answered every question that was asked of them. Hate them or love them, you have to respect that. Still, none of the games impressed me. Well, visually most of them were "next-gen" (few were stunning), but nothing really felt like new territory for gaming. I'm one of the few that likes the inclusion of the tilt/motion sensing in the controller, but I still would have preferred force feedback (how the hell is Metal Gear not going to have that?). I'd give them a B-.

Microsoft was just trying to hang on for dear life after the two devestating blows from Sony and Nintendo, and they barely did that. I mean, what did we learn? Gears of War and Too Human looked cool, but who didn't already know that? Halo 3 is coming, which a two-toothed liquor store hobo could have prophesied. And GTA 4 is coming out for XBOX 360... in October 2007. And oh yeah, it also comes out for PS3 the same day. So what's the news? Peter Moore looking like an idiot with a tat for a game that is not exclusive, maybe? Price drops need to be in the 360's immediate future. Conference rating is a D...
:lol: Did you watch the same E3 as everyone else. The gaming media seems to be in agreement. Sony's E3 showing was abysmal. The price is ridiculous. Their games don't come close to living up to Sony's promise and hype, at least in terms of graphics. They look no better than 360 games. They ripoff Nintendo with their new controller. They ripoff Microsoft's release strategy of 2 SKUs, after ridiculing Microsoft for doing the exact same thing. They will copy Live and Live Marketplace as much as possible. They release a retard pack for $500 which has no HDMI, no Wi-Fi, and no Memory Stick/Compact Flash reading. Plus it can't be upgraded. Other than three or four great looking games, they're software lineup did not look all that good either. Sony deserves every bit of criticism they get. That's what you get when you get arrogant and cocky, and take your fans and your competition for granted. Their E3 showing deserves no better than a D.

Microsoft had a strong show. Their software looks great. They're Xbox Live service is already kickass, and getting better all the time. Xbox Live Arcade is a hit, and they announced many great new titles for Live Arcade. Microsoft flooded Live with a lot of great E3 content, though more demos would have been appreciated. Their console now looks like a bargain thanks to Sony. They no longer have any shortage problems. They announced Live Anywhere, and that's a huge announcement. Plus, their console has strong demand in North America, Europe, and Australia. On in Japan are sales bad. However, after this E3, it wouldn't surprise me if sales pickup. About the only area I can criticize them in is they did nothing to address backwards compatability.

Nintendo had a great showing. It's a fun product with some great innovation. It will be inexpensive. It was have some of the best first party software available. Personally, it's a toss up between Microsoft and Nintendo for the winner of E3. I'd give Nintendo an A. One thing is for sure. Sony finished a distant third.


Unfortunately they still lack in the areas I like, namely platformers, japanese RPGs (though Blue Dragon will change that, but is just 1 game), and quirky japanese games.
You can also add Rayman. It was later announced for PS3 and 360. Sooner or later Rare is going to add more platformers to the 360 lineup. I imagine at some point you'll see a Banjo Kazooie title, as well as a Conker game added to the 360's library. I also think people are underestimating the Viva Pinata title. I can see that being a big hit. Hell, it looks incredible and the demo actually looked like it could be fun.

Microsoft has plenty of diversity, and that will only get better. People underestimate that variety simply because it has a lot of shooters. But shooters are popular. Otherwise there wouldn't be so many.

discostu1337 05-13-06 11:59 AM

My overall quick thoughts from all 3 days:

PS3 will be cool, but they didn't show much at E3 to back this up aside from the insane technology behind the 'Eye of the Beholder' card game. They seemed to focus mainly on the PSP, which in my opinion is getting some great games (Lumines 2, Loco Roco, Ratchet, Gitaroo Man, Metal Slug...) finally!

Microsoft had some great games as well, and I think Dead Rising stole the show as the most fun on that console. The Stranglehold and Gears of War presentations were pretty cool, Saint's Row is great as expected, and Lumines on XBOX Live is perfection.

Lastly, we have Nintendo. They are a mixed bag for me, on one hand the Wii is fun to play, on the other the graphics look like poop and the detection is very spotty. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt on the console/games being early in development. Warioware was easily the best on the system as expected, and Metroid seemed to be popular but I see the system as an Eyetoy or a DDR game...fun sometimes or with friends, but not an actual gaming console. If it released at $99 or $149, it would be fantastic, but I see it collecting dust quickly after the gimmick wears off.

The DS lite is much better than the old style DS and I will be replacing mine in June for sure. Super Mario DS is awesome, possibly the best game on the DS (Thanks for the free copy Nintendo!) and Zelda would be cool if it wasnt 100% on the touch screen. That feature made it almost unplayable, as you hand blocks half the action and there was far too much tapping going on. Apparently they are aware of this and hopefully will change it.

Overall I had fun most of the time at the show but couldn't help be a little bored at the mundane selection of titles overall. I was really hoping for more PS3 variety and overall variety on the game floor. Everywhere you looked there was a WW2 shooter/RTS, or a Dungeon Crawler/RPG. The industry needs a little more orginality next year to really WOW me.

Terrell 05-13-06 12:06 PM


After months of rumors stating that the console was being delayed again and wouldn't make a showing at E3, put down their cards (literally). The system turned out to be a monster, and at the show, in playable form.
I know you're a big Sony fan, and that's fine. But that system did not look like a monster of a console, as you call it. In fact, every site I frequent such as IGN, Gamespot, and 1Up thought it was a disappointment. I think in the end it will be a fine console with some great games. But Sony forgot that games are more important than features, and price does have a limit.


Microsoft had some great games as well, and I think Dead Rising stole the show as the most fun on that console.
Funny enough, Rockstar's Table Tennis looked to be a big hit as the show as well.

Setzer 05-13-06 02:11 PM

I thought Sony's conference, while not impressive, was good. It's too early to tell on games but MGS4 looks really, really good as did Heavenly Sword and Assassin's Creed. Sony should be criticized for copying Nintendo for it's motion controller and having 2 different versions of the PS3 at launch, with the $500 version not even worth picking up. Sony needs to fix that before launch. To say Sony failed is ridiculous.

Microsoft was far from good as well. Their 2 big titles, GTA 4 and Halo 3 won't be out until late 2007 which leaves them with one big game to look forward to this year - Gears of War. The new RPG from Bioware, Mass Effect, looks good and they have another big RPG coming from Final Fantasy creator called Blue Dragon but both those games we won't see until 2007. The game line-up MS has for the 360 this year is pretty lame, imo. Microsoft showed me nothing that will get me to run out and buy 360 right now which saves me money because now I can wait until a price drop happens.

Nintendo was the best of the show! It wasn't just the Wii either. Their line-up of games coming for the DS and GBA are very impressive and they're going to continue to dominate the hand held market, especially with the DS Lite due out next month. I can't wait to get my hands on a Wii controller and try it out, it looks like it will take gaming to a whole new level. Plus, with the big first party games(Mario Galaxy, Zelda, Metroid, Super Smash Brawl, etc) coming Nintendo should have a strong launch. I think you're going to see alot more 3rd party support for Nintendo this time around and it's quite possible Nintendo may be 1st or 2nd in the next gen console war.

Overall my grades would be as follows:

Nintendo - A+
Sony - B-
Microsoft - C

Josh H 05-13-06 02:26 PM


Originally Posted by Terrell
Microsoft has plenty of diversity, and that will only get better. People underestimate that variety simply because it has a lot of shooters. But shooters are popular. Otherwise there wouldn't be so many.

I never said they had no platformers etc., just that they don't have enough for me to warrant a purchase, especially after I ended up regretting my X-box purchase as I just didn't find enough games I loved to justify the $200. The 360 has yet to show me that it will be any different and offer any more than 1 or 2 AAA games a year in genre's I like. And the AAA part is important, as most of the platformers that were exclusive to the X-box weren't very good (Blinx, the Voodoo whatever game and so on).

The X-box and 360 are fine hardware and have good game libraries as a whole, they just don't offer enough (yet) in the genres I like to be worth the money (especially at the 360's current prices).

sracer 05-13-06 07:19 PM


Originally Posted by Setzer
Overall my grades would be as follows:
Nintendo : A+
Sony : B-
Microsoft : C

I agree with your assessment. I guess with the PS3 coming out in Nov @ $500 and $600, I guess Microsoft feels that it doesn't need to push the 360 further ahead.

I'm intrigued by the Wii controller and believe that we really won't know how truly revolutionary it is until we see how the games use them.

But E3 is just a snapshot in time. I'm curious to see what these 3 do between now and the launch of the other 2 systems.

Jackskeleton 05-13-06 08:44 PM

Even at that price tag PS3 will be big. Dead Rising was the top game I enjoyed at the show and I mainly credited that to Capcom and not pointing it to being Xbox's real doing. Besides that title, the Xbox booth was utterly worthless to me. Viva Pinata had some novelty but not my bag.

Supermallet 05-14-06 01:46 AM


Originally Posted by Michael Corvin

---vvvv--- My new sig. :up:

I didn't even notice it until I was reading the Halo 3 trailer thread. :lol: Thanks for adding me in. :)

Grimfarrow 05-14-06 03:03 AM


Originally Posted by Binger
Again, who said anything about the 360 and last year. Understand, I don't support one or the other. I buy every system (usually) every generation. As to my point not being valid, that's is your opinion. Again, a bunch of games running on PCs is not a PS3 in playable form. It is software optimised to run on the PS3, running on a PC. I am not badmouthing Sony, I am only responding to the comment that the PS3 was a "monster, and in playable form", which I believe was misleading and biased. Oh, and one last comment, Sony can definately screw this up more and delay the damn thing. It is there stock and trade to announce things and delay them. I hope this isn't true as I am looking forward to getting one.

Okay then - how about this? Apparently, the PS3 WAS in playable form:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=100572

http://images.playfrance.com/news/12280/zoom/0354.jpg

Grimfarrow 05-14-06 03:08 AM


Originally Posted by Michael Corvin
Your interest in the titles or their quality doesn't matter. Gallant refuted your position. Let me refresh your memory:

Gallant responded with games(big ones at that) that covered a half dozen genres. The variety is there, you-like many others, just don't want to see it.

How is that even close to being "variety"? Where's the platformer? Japanese RPG? (sorry, Far East of Eden is laughable) Action RPG? Puzzle game? Strategy game? It's all Action, Action, Action, be it FPS or TPS (Third-person shooter). And you cannot compare this to the PS3 because XBOX 360 has been out for 6 months now, and to not show any of the other genres coming up for the next year or so is just completely lazy. As I repeat - I DON'T PLAY FPSes. If Microsoft wants me to buy the system, they'll have to start making games that actually appeal to me. Otherwise I'm down with Wii first, then PS3 when the price drops by $100.

darkside 05-14-06 03:40 AM


Originally Posted by Grimfarrow
Okay then - how about this? Apparently, the PS3 WAS in playable form:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=100572

http://images.playfrance.com/news/12280/zoom/0354.jpg

Maybe they did what Nintendo did. The Wii units on the floor were shells and the games were running on Dev kits. However, Nintendo had actual working units, but those were only shown off behind closed doors.

Gallant Pig 05-14-06 11:23 AM

I like the added features for the PS3. I'm starting to change my mind and consider getting one

<img src="http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b295/juubei-2/ps3fridge.jpg">

Gallant Pig 05-14-06 11:28 AM

Funny site


All the Wii's there this year were fake too, they had the Dev Kits under the Wii's in the stand.

So someone actually saw the Gamecubes?


Grimfarrow 05-14-06 01:44 PM

I just saw the video for Genji 2, and my god - that game TRULY looks like crap. Why in the world did Sony bother "demoing" such garbage at their press conference, while Motorstorm wasn't even shown there? (Motorstorm was playable on the 2nd day, and boy it looks friggin' great).

Josh H 05-14-06 01:58 PM

After finally catching up on all the conferences, reading a bunch of articles and watching a bunch of videos, I'd rate the companies showings as follows:

Nintendo: A-

-Great showing for the Wii and DS. Tons of games I can't wait to play on both, especially the DS. Gave it - for not announcing the Wii price and capitlizing on the high PS3 pricetag.

Sony: C

Several PS3 games look/sound interesting but absurb price. Showed next to nothing for the PSP

Microsoft: C-

Some nice looking games, but as usual, nothing in the genre's I like.

Grimfarrow 05-14-06 02:17 PM

Actually, a number of new PSP games were announced at E3 that I am interested in, including:

Silent Hill: Origins
Dungeon Explorer
Disgaea
King's Field
Metal Gear Solid: Special Ops
Legend of Heroes II (I hope it's better than the 1st)
Earthworm Jim

Josh H 05-14-06 02:37 PM

They got little attention, and none of those games interest me personally. Again, mostly PS2 ports or spinoffs.

If I'm going to play a portable (only game at home) it has to offer something I can't get on the consoles, otherwise I'd rather take advantage of the better graphics and sound on my hometheater.

That's why I love the DS. 2D games are non-existent on the consoles, and the touch screen makes for unique games as well, thus it's worth playing at home over the consoles IMO.

Joe Molotov 05-14-06 07:10 PM

It's not that there were no PSP games, it's just that there such a glut of DS announced or shown off there that it was easy to overlook the PSP.

Big Brain Academy
Break 'em All
Castlevania: Portrait of Ruin
Chibi-Robo: Park Patrol
Children of Mana
Cooking Mama
Contact
Custom Robo Arena
Deep Labyrinth
Diddy Kong Racing
DK: King of Swing DS
Dragon Quest Heroes: Rocket Slime
DS Air
Elite Beat Agents
Final Fantasy III
Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles - Ring of Fates
Freedom Wings
Harvest Moon Puzzle
Hotel Dusk: Room 215
Kirby DS
The Legend of Zelda: Phantom Hourglass
Lunar Knights
Magical Vacation
Magnetica
Mario vs. Donkey Kong 2: March of the Minis
Megaman ZX
Milton's Castle DS
Panzer Tactics DS
Phoenix Wright: Justice For All
Point Blank DS
Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Blue Rescue Team
Pokémon Ranger
Star Fox DS
Touch Detective
Yoshi's Island 2

...to name a few. ;)

pinata242 05-14-06 08:16 PM


Originally Posted by Joe Molotov
It's not that there were no PSP games, it's just that there such a glut of DS announced or shown off there that it was easy to overlook the PSP.

Big Brain Academy
Break 'em All
Castlevania: Portrait of Ruin
Chibi-Robo: Park Patrol
Children of Mana
Cooking Mama
Contact
Custom Robo Arena
Deep Labyrinth
Diddy Kong Racing
DK: King of Swing DS
Dragon Quest Heroes: Rocket Slime
DS Air
Elite Beat Agents
Final Fantasy III
Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles - Ring of Fates
Freedom Wings
Harvest Moon Puzzle
Hotel Dusk: Room 215
Kirby DS
The Legend of Zelda: Phantom Hourglass
Lunar Knights
Magical Vacation
Magnetica
Mario vs. Donkey Kong 2: March of the Minis
Megaman ZX
Milton's Castle DS
Panzer Tactics DS
Phoenix Wright: Justice For All
Point Blank DS
Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Blue Rescue Team
Pokémon Ranger
Star Fox DS
Touch Detective
Yoshi's Island 2

$35 x 13 = :eek:

Supermallet 05-14-06 09:32 PM

Most likely games like Cooking Mama and Elite Beat Agents will be $29.99.

pinata242 05-14-06 10:26 PM

Oh, well I guess I can afford them all then! ;)

I know $35 for each was a stretch, but I doubt I'd get all 13 of those anyway. Really only 3 of them are must-haves for me at this point, DQ, LoZ, and PW. Everything else ranges from highly to mildly interested in.

GreenMonkey 05-14-06 11:33 PM


Originally Posted by Grimfarrow
Actually, a number of new PSP games were announced at E3 that I am interested in, including:

Silent Hill: Origins
Dungeon Explorer
Disgaea
King's Field
Metal Gear Solid: Special Ops
Legend of Heroes II (I hope it's better than the 1st)
Earthworm Jim

Disgaea port? ****, now I have to find a deal on a PSP. I've wanted to play that for ages, but not much time at home with the baby and all. Along with a few other titles that have been showing up, that clinches it.


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