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joshd2012 03-15-06 11:13 AM


Originally Posted by Decker
I'm still baffelled. The HD is required but not included? How could that be? I don't think there's ever been a console in gaming history incapable of playing its games right out of the box.

I doubt a hard drive will be required to play games. More likely, it will be used to save games, play online, and download extras. It will be in the same position that memory cards are in now. You don't necessarily need them to play games, but no one is going to buy a console without also picking up a memory card.

hail2dking 03-15-06 11:15 AM


Originally Posted by The Bus

It's possible Sony was misleading on purpose to gage reaction.

That would be hard to believe...;)

s}{ammer 03-15-06 11:29 AM

I think everyone is wrong here, even the reports. We have all seen Sony's own site stating the HDD is optional. So we know it is not a standard component. I would bet my 1st born that what he meant to say is that the HDD is required for the media stuff and for the network gaming. I am sure you wont need it if all you want to do is play games locally.

The Franchise 03-15-06 11:35 AM

I'm still sticking with my $299 price point. If they can offer all that technology for $299 then, as Vince Carter said when he won the slam dunk contest, "It's over".

As for not revealing too much info, it's like playing poker. You don't want to reveal your hand too soon so that you can keep your competition guessing. There are probably oodles of games in development for the PS3 but they want to be able to show stuff all at once to blitzkrieg their competition.

Oh and game companies always develop games on non-final HW and then optimize on the final HW. The first batch of games wont be the best but they'll have time to optimize between June and Novbemer (~5 months).

tenaciousdave 03-15-06 12:23 PM

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/696/696056p1.html

Earlier, we mistakenly reported that Sony had confirmed plans to include the hard disk with the PS3 right out of the box. Kutaragi actually stopped short of confirming this, leaving it as an area of speculation for now. He did state that Sony hopes to avoid a situation where some systems have the drive and others don't (Kutaragi didn't mention Xbox 360, but he was probably thinking it).


Originally Posted by joshd2012
I doubt a hard drive will be required to play games. More likely, it will be used to save games, play online, and download extras. It will be in the same position that memory cards are in now. You don't necessarily need them to play games, but no one is going to buy a console without also picking up a memory card.

Sony isn't going to offer hard drives at memory card prices. They'll use their standardized memory card system, just like the PSP.

I used to think the same thing about everyone buying a memory card with a console. Managing a Gamestop for 3 years taught me otherwise. You wouldn't believe the number of people, especially at Christmas time, that feel that a memory card isn't important (even after being explained that it is).


Originally Posted by The Franchise
I'm still sticking with my $299 price point. If they can offer all that technology for $299 then, as Vince Carter said when he won the slam dunk contest, "It's over".

No way in hell it releases at $299. Even if it did, by November MS will be in a position for a price drop (which they most likely will anyways).

tenaciousdave 03-15-06 12:29 PM


Originally Posted by sracer
Why October? Why not now (at least a partial list)?

There will most likely be tons of games announced at E3. Some devs will say they are aiming for launch at E3 and a confirmed launch lineup will be announced at TGS in October. Considering how rushed typical launch games are and that a lot of stuff will end up delayed, announcing any kind of launch line up now is pointless.

bahgee 03-15-06 12:35 PM

If anyone is able to pre-order, can you please post where and how much down?

Decker 03-15-06 01:18 PM


Originally Posted by joshd2012
I doubt a hard drive will be required to play games. More likely, it will be used to save games, play online, and download extras. It will be in the same position that memory cards are in now. You don't necessarily need them to play games, but no one is going to buy a console without also picking up a memory card.

Check out the presentation slide:
http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/ar...5025251472.jpg

It's required. I HAVE to assume it'll be shipping with one, right?

s}{ammer 03-15-06 01:28 PM

Decker, the HDD will be required for all those things, but SOny already published a page on their site saying the HDD would not be included and was an option. If things changed then I can only imagine it would raise the price of the PS3 even more.

Darknight 03-15-06 03:10 PM


Originally Posted by s}{ammer
Decker, the HDD will be required for all those things, but SOny already published a page on their site saying the HDD would not be included and was an option. If things changed then I can only imagine it would raise the price of the PS3 even more.

The page you're referring to is pretty old and outdated. I'd bet money that the HDD will be packed in with the unit based on what they were saying last night.

maxfisher 03-15-06 03:33 PM


Originally Posted by s}{ammer
Decker, the HDD will be required for all those things, but SOny already published a page on their site saying the HDD would not be included and was an option. If things changed then I can only imagine it would raise the price of the PS3 even more.

Of course, how recently did Sony have pages on their site saying the PS3 would be a spring 06 launch? I know it was still up 2 weeks ago or so. At this point, I'd say it's fairly safe to discard most anything we've heard in the past and assume the only info that's legitimate is what was said today and what we hear directly from Sony in the coming months.

The Franchise 03-15-06 04:23 PM

PS3 4D glasses on sale on ebay!

This is why I love console launches. Too funny. The Q&A is classic too. Haha!

Q: By looking through these glasses, will I be able to make anything 'live'? (ie can I raise the dead?)
A: Yes... but it's not recommended.

Decker 03-15-06 04:33 PM

Frankly with how cheap flash memory is these days, I'm kinda suprised they went with a manditory HD. I have to assume they're planning on pay-for-download content being a large part of their overall profit profile. It makes sense since it's a big part of the 360 and Revolution as well.
I would guess that $499 has to be the launch price at this point...

PixyJunket 03-15-06 04:43 PM

I don't like the hard drive idea.. too likely to fail. I've heard enough horror stories about the original Xbox to do me in.. not to mention dealing with dead hard drives on PC for years myself. Memory cards aren't broke.. why try to "fix" them? 60GB seems a bit much for anybody who is just planning on playing games.

ChrisHicks 03-15-06 04:43 PM


Originally Posted by The Franchise
PS3 4D glasses on sale on ebay!

This is why I love console launches. Too funny. The Q&A is classic too. Haha!

Q: By looking through these glasses, will I be able to make anything 'live'? (ie can I raise the dead?)
A: Yes... but it's not recommended.

I just sent him a question. :D

The Bus 03-15-06 05:04 PM


Originally Posted by PixyJunket
I don't like the hard drive idea.. too likely to fail. I've heard enough horror stories about the original Xbox to do me in.. not to mention dealing with dead hard drives on PC for years myself. Memory cards aren't broke.. why try to "fix" them? 60GB seems a bit much for anybody who is just planning on playing games.

I'd say 60GB is not enough. :)

Apollo 03-15-06 05:36 PM


Originally Posted by PixyJunket
I don't like the hard drive idea.. too likely to fail. I've heard enough horror stories about the original Xbox to do me in.. not to mention dealing with dead hard drives on PC for years myself. Memory cards aren't broke.. why try to "fix" them? 60GB seems a bit much for anybody who is just planning on playing games.

True, hard drives are the most likely parts to fail. I have had some of the crappiest luck with memory cards. When the Xbox came out I only purchased 2 memory cards, the hard drive was perfect in the two Xboxes I owned. With the 360 I will buy a larger drive when they become available and a memory card to backup critical saves.

With the move Multimedia memory card just don't cut it. Demos are 600 MB, some of movie trailers are 50 plus MB. Some of the downloadable games are 20 MB plus. While flash memory is getting cheaper, the cost for a hard drive is at it's lowest(PATA 250GB for $69 versus $69 for 1GB flash stick).

Ralph Wiggum 03-15-06 07:32 PM

Hardware stuff sounds good to me. Now they just need to start announcing some games that interest me.

The Bus 03-15-06 07:38 PM


Originally Posted by Apollo
True, hard drives are the most likely parts to fail. I have had some of the crappiest luck with memory cards. When the Xbox came out I only purchased 2 memory cards, the hard drive was perfect in the two Xboxes I owned. With the 360 I will buy a larger drive when they become available and a memory card to backup critical saves.

With the move Multimedia memory card just don't cut it. Demos are 600 MB, some of movie trailers are 50 plus MB. Some of the downloadable games are 20 MB plus. While flash memory is getting cheaper, the cost for a hard drive is at it's lowest(PATA 250GB for $69 versus $69 for 1GB flash stick).

Most trailers are close to 100MB. Game trailers can be over 140MB.

JM 03-15-06 07:48 PM


Originally Posted by PixyJunket
I don't like the hard drive idea.. too likely to fail. I've heard enough horror stories about the original Xbox to do me in.. not to mention dealing with dead hard drives on PC for years myself. Memory cards aren't broke.. why try to "fix" them? 60GB seems a bit much for anybody who is just planning on playing games.

Neither of my two Xboxes' hard drives have failed (and one is from launch). None of my friends' Xboxes' hard drives have failed. In the unlikely event your hard drive fails, unlike the Xbox, the 360 and the PS3 have external drives that are easily replaced. Sure, you will lose a few game saves etc., but it is no big loss considering the substantial benefits a hard drive offers in terms of storage space for downloadable content etc.

hail2dking 03-15-06 08:05 PM


Originally Posted by The Franchise
PS3 4D glasses on sale on ebay!

This is why I love console launches. Too funny. The Q&A is classic too. Haha!

Q: By looking through these glasses, will I be able to make anything 'live'? (ie can I raise the dead?)
A: Yes... but it's not recommended.


I like this one:
Q: Will these glasses also allow me to see through time?
A: Most Certainly, Yes. In many cases, you'll be able to turn time from Spring to an ''Early November'' almost instantly!

Qui Gon Jim 03-15-06 08:07 PM


Originally Posted by The Franchise
I'm still sticking with my $299 price point. If they can offer all that technology for $299 then, as Vince Carter said when he won the slam dunk contest, "It's over".

No. Way. In. Hell.

Sony cannot possibly afford to take that kind of loss on the system they are in dire financial straits without losing hundreds on each console. Even if they did sell it so cheap you'd see $75 games to make up for it.

I'd say this is not one cent under $500 at launch.

ChrisHicks 03-15-06 08:46 PM


Originally Posted by hail2dking
I like this one:
Q: Will these glasses also allow me to see through time?
A: Most Certainly, Yes. In many cases, you'll be able to turn time from Spring to an ''Early November'' almost instantly!

I wonder if he'll post my question?

fumanstan 03-15-06 09:53 PM

I'm pretty dissapointed in all the announcements today, since my curiosities about the PS3 revolve mostly around the release date and pricing. Pricing was a no show, and the delayed release was something that almost everyone could and already did predict.

hahn 03-16-06 12:06 AM


Originally Posted by fumanstan
I'm pretty dissapointed in all the announcements today, since my curiosities about the PS3 revolve mostly around the release date and pricing. Pricing was a no show, and the delayed release was something that almost everyone could and already did predict.

$599 is what I read on Digg.


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