You know there is probably something seriously wrong with me, but I am not overly impressed with HDTV. The "once you watch HDTV you will never watch SDTV again" comments do not apply to me at all. Yeah it looks better and I've gone to the trouble to properly set it up, but I don't find shows and sports that much more enjoyable to watch on my HDTV and really make no special effort to watch them on it. The fact some shows and sports are in full widescreen is a bigger selling point than screen resolution to me. If someone else in the house wants to watch something on the HDTV I have no problem going and watching something or playing games on my 32" Sony Wega in the bedroom.

Hooking up my game systems to the HDTV is something I'm probably only going to do 10%-20% of the time. I don't see us getting a new HDTV anytime soon for the other rooms of the house so these new consoles had better be impressive in SDTV or I will definitely be waiting awhile to upgrade.

I'm seriously hoping for some black friday or maybe post Christmas deal on the original XBox. At $99 I will probably buy one again for sports games alone.

Another thing I'm dealing with is the $59.99 price tag on games. I can only think of 5-6 games tops that were worth $59.99 (at least to me) this generation.

This thread is important because:

1. The comments here would be threadcraps anywhere else (although craps in this thread are apparently moderator-approved).
2. If sales on the Xbox360 aren't good, it's a good reference point to see why people weren't buying.

A couple more reasons I won't be going with the 360:

1. No Wi-Fi support out of the box, not even on the more expensive edition
2. Short lifecycle on the original Xbox. The PS2 will have a lifecycle of 6 years. The Gamecube: 5 years. Xbox: 4 years.

No HD/Blue Ray DVD = No sale, waiting for PS3.

The only reason I would want XBox 360 is for Halo 3.

I'll get one November '07 When Halo 3 comes out ;)

That's an excellent point. Especially when you consider the quality of some of the games coming out on the PS2 this year and next year (and there's that Zelda game too, I guess). A 4 year life span is cutting out those beyond expectations, high quality titles you get when developers have mastered the graphical prowess of the machine and are focusing more or production and game quality over new visuals.

I'm right there with you. Some of my buddies have HDTVs, and they definitely look better than SDTV, but not so much that I feel any need to start saving up to buy one anytime soon.

I guess I'm just not a videophile, a nice SDTV looks good enough to me.

I won't be getting a 360 at launch but that doesn't mean I won't get one later down the road when there is a price drop or they actually release a game I want to play. I agree with Josh, there aren't any titles that make this system a "must buy" at launch and the graphics didn't "blow me away". I was at my local EB and they had Call of Duty running and I wasn't "wow'd" by it at all. Hell it looks better running on my PC. Besides a majority of the games released for the 360 will be released on the PC, so whats the point in spending $400? I'll get to play Oblivion 6 months before it sees light on the 360.

Now I'm not bashing the 360 or anyone who's going to get one, it's just for me spending $400 on something my PC can do better isn't worth it and if I'm going to lay down money for a console I better be able to play a good variety of games that I wouldn't be able to on my PC. It's part of the reason I'm more apt to get a Sony or Nintendo console over an Xbox, because I know I'll get to play games from Japan that you don't see on a PC. Hopefully the 360 will get some good support from Japan this go around. I know I'm definitely looking forward to playing Blue Dragon and that may be the reason I end up buying a 360. We'll see.

What posts here are craps or console bashes besides the one "i'll never buy an MS console period" post?

Seems like everyones just providing valid opinoins why the 360 doesn't appeal to them.

They would be craps in other threads as none of the other threads are an overall 360 review thread where both postitives and negatives are welcome. But I don't see how they are thread craps here. Negative opinions don't equal thread craps. Thread craps are negative opinions in the improper threads and/or out and out console bashes that are saying nothing other than the console sucks.

I'm not getting one because I just got a PS2, which is the first console I've owned since the SNES. I'm just not that into console gaming.

Well, I won't be buying one because I'll probably not be able to find one. I'll pick it up when I can walk in a store and not get mobbed looking for one.

You're missing my point.

The threadcraps in this thread are from those people who are coming in here only to criticize those who aren't buying the Xbox360.

If I went into the "Who's getting an Xbox360?" thread saying why I wasn't getting one, I'd get suspended within 2 minutes. But when the opposite happens in this thread, no moderator action...indeed the moderators come in to join in on the fun!

I am with the crowd the who are not getting it because it is too late I will in all reality have to wait until next year, when it is easier to find. Plus many of the games right now seem like direct ports of current X-box/PS2 games.

I however had no intention of getting one until I played PGR and Kameo. I can only imagine that once developers get used to programming for it the games will be even better.

Oh. I see. That's a fair point and is a clear double standard.

But I've just accepted that the console loyalists that bash people who don't like their console of choice are a-ok here, while the console bashers are not.

It would make much more sense to punish both sides equally, but I've bitched to the mods about it before and it's never changed so I guess it never will. The modding here just hasn't been as good or consistent since Static Cling and Namja aren't around much (if at all). This forums a bit much for one mod to handle mainly by himself.

I actually had it pre-ordered for awhile, but I had just gotten caught up in thehype. I thought about it and realized it will have a price drop probably when PS3 launches, plus I'm not interested in many games. So now I'll wait and see what happens, and save some money at the same time.

I like the X-box and saw it first hand for the first time two days ago and didn't realize that it's main power comes from being played on a hdtv. My wife and I want an HDTV but with christmas just can't swing it right now. I can't see buying the new X-box without having the right TV first anyway. Plus the price is steep for me. Hopefully the first of the year we can get the Sony TV we have been wanting to get and then the X box will follow.

Although a couple of juvenile responses have slipped through the cracks in this post, they have gone ignored and the discussion has been a good one. I'm not sure how my inoccuous responses have been threadcrapping, I was sincerely inquisitive. I see that this thread did come out nicely for discussion though minus the derailing I'm replying to. Interesting how the people who tried to derail the thread were unable to do so, and yet the people angry about the people trying to derail the thread actually derailed it.

Anyway, I'll take a look through this thead and get rid of the "threadcrappers", hopefully that will satisfy the situation.

Good point.
So: Is the issue of high-demand, low-supply, whether it be by accident or on purpose, a good thing or a bad thing in the long run for MS? Certainly it could be a good thing for Ebay profiteers or bundling retailers; but for those who won't pay outrageous aftermarket prices, are they more likely to wait just a little bit, till the unit becomes a little more available; wait longer, till there's a price drop; or rethink their whole decision, or at least wait till the competition comes out and decide then?

I, for one, won't believe that the "shortage" is anything other than Microsoft's pre-release hype until it actually happens.

I won't be buying one, simply because I'm a PC gamer. Except for sports games, consoles simply cannot match PC gaming. Now I would buy one to resell, but not waiting in the lines I saw around Vegas today for 10+ hours to make $100 or so.

I hope your right. My order that was placed mid September won't be coming until Dec. 23.

Ditto

I heard Chrono Trigger/Dragon Quest folks working on a Xbox360 game and was immediately interested.

I forgot to mention this at the start so thanks Iron Giant for bringing it up. If there was a thorn in the side of the 360 it's the DVD drive. Since the DVD format war wasn't settled MS had no choice but to include a standard player. DEV's were hoping for a newer format because there maybe some compression issues with certain games. Those high quality graphics need allot of space not to mention the audio tracks to.

MS did say the 360 will be expandable so it's likely that a DVD upgrade will happen. Sound familar? No matter if it's Blu-Ray or HD-DVD it'll make the 360 even better.

Besides I just in the last month picked up Doom3 CE for $23, SW Battlefront for $13, Call of Duty -Finest Hour for $13 and Brothers in Arms-Road to Hill 30 for $9. All together cheaper than one 360 game.


Kenny J. - Buzz

I have an HDTV and it looks fucking great!!!!

The only problem is ... NOT ENOUGH HD CONTENT to warrant an HDTV purchase.

oh yeah..... I forgot....

I'm not buying the 360 because I already paid $300 for past next generation systems and don't want to do it again.

I'll wait for the price drop and laugh at the jackasses dropping a mint on eBAY just to have the "next gen console".

Not getting because

1) Friggin Thompson drives on the old XBOX makes me mad at Microsoft
2) I have a Nintendo DS right now - yaaay