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The 1 & Only Nintendo E3 2005 Discussion Thread
I thought maybe it would be better to have a seperate thread just for Nintendo E3 stuff. There has been a few news stories in the past couple of days I found interesting.
Nintendo officially announces partnership with GameSpy for online gaming. "With minimum setup procedures, Nintendo DS owners will be able to enjoy Wi-Fi gaming just as easily as if they were playing with their friends in the same room," explains Reggie Fils-Aime, Nintendo of America's executive vice president of sales & marketing. "To realize this simple and seamless transition to Wi-Fi gaming, we're partnering with one of the leaders in the multiplayer gaming world. Accessing the service will require no added Nintendo subscription charges, whether users hook up using a home broadband Wi-Fi connection or access a Wi-Fi hotspot at a coffee shop, library or elsewhere. It doesn't get any easier than that." (link) Mario128 WILL be shown at E3 (according to IGN). Apparently they know something, because in their "E3 2005: Our Most Anticipated Games" feature they state: "For the record, Mario 128 will make an appearance at this year's E3. Nintendo's Executive Vice President of Sales and Marketing, Reggie Fils-Aime, has admitted as much." (link) Revolution to be released in SUMMER of 2006? According to Gamespot, one of Nintendo's hardware vendors may have spilled the beans about Revolution's release date. Summer 2006 instead of the 2006 holiday season (which is when PS3 is rumored to be released). I guess they're trying to get a jump on Sony this time. (link) Nintendo might unveil a new GBA, but it's not what you think. According to the reputable source GamesIndustry.biz, Nintendo will indeed unveil something new for the Game Boy Advance. It will not be the "GBA2" as past rumors have speculated, rather an update to the existing system. The article suggests this could be build-in wireless networking or a device similar to the Play-Yan integrated into the system. (link) |
Hmm...Interesting. Excited about the wireless online play. Hopefully it will work with existing games as well as future ones.
Is Mario 128 a GC game or Revolution? My bet is on Revolution. I don't know if they could really come out in summer 06. Maybe that is to give themselves a buffer of a few months for delays. Do they really need to release another GBA? Won't this compete with the DS? I think that wouldn't be a really good move. |
I don't get the GBA deal either. Releasing something to compete with the PSP I understand if it is a true GameCube graphics portable, but simply a third version of the GBA is pointless.
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Wifi and Animal Crossing is sounding good. the day it comes out I will buy a DS. I also would like to see Castlevania DS.
I'm mainly looking forward to Zelda right now. I got a chance to see some of the new screens and it looks awesome! But now that Mario 128 is going to be shown my intrest in that is piqued. the last bullet is a little misleading. At first they say "Nintendo will show a new GBA!" but then in the reading it clearly says "its not a new GBA." I'm guessing it might be the GBA camera? Or wifi bridge? |
Originally Posted by darkside
I don't get the GBA deal either. Releasing something to compete with the PSP I understand if it is a true GameCube graphics portable, but simply a third version of the GBA is pointless.
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I can see adding MP3 support to the GBA, but its screen is pretty low res to use for video. That is not going to compare very well to the video playback of the PSP.
Hopefully though it is just an add on and not a redesigned model. |
IGN also has the report about the summer 2006 date, however it states in this article also that PS3 is now scheduled for a 1st Quarter 2006 release. If this is true about PS3 then Nintendo would almost HAVE to come out by summer 2006 at the latest and it will once again be the last out the gates for the console wars. Personally I am not worried about this though since this time around I will not be buying a system on a release day for any console.
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I'm sure I'll be singing a different tune next week but I'm only mildly interested in what's known to be at Nintendo's show. I just started playing Mario Sunshine so I have a slight interest in the new Mario. The only thing I'm hoping for on the new Zelda is that whatever they show puts my mind at ease that this game isn't going to end up some shitty Legend of Zelda: Warrior Extreme! game.
Is it too much to ask to have a surprise final 2D Metroid on the GBA? |
From the preview in the new EGM I don't think Zelda will be "extreme" at all.
Just more realistic graphics and an older link, seems like it will be on par with the second half of Ocarina of Time. There's still fishing, you heard cows into a barn on the horse, etc. Seems like it will pretty much be the same type of Zelda game as always just with more realistic graphics. |
I think Nintendo is in the best spot to surpise people at E3. Most of the hardware specs for the 360 have already leaked so no big surprise there. If their system is as revolutionary as they say it is, Nintendo could easily steal some thunder from MS, which is what they need to do. Unfortunately I think they will drop the ball, again. Hopefully I am wrong though.
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I think Nintendo is in a 'make or break' mode for consoles. If they don't do something to gain market share, they are going to fall the way of SEGA. Microsoft can afford to fight against Sony for many years (as they showed us with Xbox), but Nintendo can't afford to dump millions of dollars into a 3rd place system again. Especially since Sony is coming into the portable realm to steal some of their thunder.
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Originally Posted by joshd2012
I think Nintendo is in a 'make or break' mode for consoles. If they don't do something to gain market share, they are going to fall the way of SEGA. Microsoft can afford to fight against Sony for many years (as they showed us with Xbox), but Nintendo can't afford to dump millions of dollars into a 3rd place system again. Especially since Sony is coming into the portable realm to steal some of their thunder.
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As much as it pains me to say it, it's not hype, Sony has first place and will have it until they do something stupid.
Just like Nintendo before they fucked it up by backing out of the partnership with Sony and then making the N64 cart based and eschewing the older gamer market by focusing too much on family games (not that I mind, but bad business sense). |
Originally Posted by PixyJunket
Please. Boy you sure love riding the hype machine. :lol:
Of course, they could prove me wrong and just keep making consoles despite demand. There will always be a demand for Nintendo consoles - their loyal fan base is out there - but at what point does that fan base become too small to warrant the investment in a new console? |
People that see this as a race for number 1 and 2 are missing the big picture. Nintendo is content being last, I'm sorry if that offends some of the fanboys, but it is true.
The facts are in, Nintendo is perfectly content being the number one in profit while at the same time changing how people play video games. Nintendo expands markets and makes money, they enjoy doing that. Let Sony and MS have the top spots. Who is Nintendo to give a fuck if they make little or no money and simply copy ideas? |
Originally Posted by jeffdsmith
People that see this as a race for number 1 and 2 are missing the big picture. Nintendo is content being last, I'm sorry if that offends some of the fanboys, but it is true.
The facts are in, Nintendo is perfectly content being the number one in profit while at the same time changing how people play video games. Nintendo expands markets and makes money, they enjoy doing that. Let Sony and MS have the top spots. Who is Nintendo to give a fuck if they make little or no money and simply copy ideas? |
Well this thread is fucked already, big surprise there.
Josh if you want to talk "industry," start a thread for it, I'm going to see if a mod can clean this up so we can fucking talk about E3 again since the "Nintendo is going the Sega!" shit's been done for five years now and goes nowhere (because it's unsubstantiated, as it was five years ago). |
Well... being that rumors suggest we will see tech demos for Revolution, bringing up the current market situation for Nintendo is on topic with E3. Its more on topic than the "Dual Shock controllers suck" and "Xbox is just a PC" comments you see in the Xbox 360 thread. And those arguments go on for pages.
But I've said my piece if it pains you so much to hear about it :D |
No it doesn't pain me, especially from you, I just don't think it belongs here.
If I'm alone on that, keep rocking it, I'll chime back in when something actually concerning E3 comes up. |
Originally Posted by joshd2012
they are going to fall the way of SEGA.
:horse: This E3 is not going to decide the fate of Nintendo so I think we can leave it out of the E3 discussion. We won't have any idea how their sales are going to be based on this show. I'm just hoping to see some cool and different stuff from them this year. |
Originally Posted by darkside
We won't have any idea how their sales are going to be based on this show.
But yes, it will remain a mystery because Nintendo is keeping it a mystery. I do wish they would show something to keep my interested, but a Mario demo for Revolution just ain't gonna cut it this time. |
This is slightly E3 related:
Recently Nintendo announced their free online access for the DS network in Japan 1000+ hotspots. With amazing ease of connectivity and being free, does anyone expect Nintendo to announce the same for the US at E3? |
Originally Posted by jeffdsmith
This is slightly E3 related:
Recently Nintendo announced their free online access for the DS network in Japan 1000+ hotspots. With amazing ease of connectivity and being free, does anyone expect Nintendo to announce the same for the US at E3? |
Originally Posted by joshd2012
Well, the majority of hot spots are owned by T-Mobile (who are in talks with Sony at the moment). I imagine they will have some compensation for their hardware. Whether that be by user or company is yet to be seen.
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Originally Posted by jeffdsmith
I'm sorry, I have no idea what you are trying to say. Please clarify.
I'm not sure how Nintendo is getting people free access at hotspots in Japan; that would help determine if something similar can be done here in the states. |
Ok gotcha. Now that I actually read the first post of this thread, there is info on this very topic. I glazed over it earlier thinking it was DS japan info. Nintendo access will be free which is not really a surprise. Here's the press release:
NINTENDO, IGN ENTERTAINMENT JOIN FORCES TO CREATE A NEW PORTABLE GAMING NETWORK Nintendo DS Service Provides an Easy, Seamless Transition to Wireless Wi-Fi Gaming REDMOND, Wash., May 10, 2005 – Nintendo is partnering with IGN Entertainment to create an innovative network for portable video games that is not only expansive but also extremely easy for everyone to use. Set to debut later this year, the wireless service for Nintendo DS™ will use IGN's GameSpy Technology to let people around the world link easily and wirelessly to play games, just as if they were playing face-to-face. "With minimum setup procedures, Nintendo DS owners will be able to enjoy Wi-Fi gaming just as easily as if they were playing with their friends in the same room," explains Reggie Fils-Aime, Nintendo of America's executive vice president of sales & marketing. "To realize this simple and seamless transition to Wi-Fi gaming, we're partnering with one of the leaders in the multiplayer gaming world. Accessing the service will require no added Nintendo subscription charges, whether users hook up using a home broadband Wi-Fi connection or access a Wi-Fi hotspot at a coffee shop, library or elsewhere. It doesn't get any easier than that." The service will be used by a variety of upcoming games, including the previously announced Animal Crossing® DS. Other titles will be revealed in the coming weeks. When using the service, DS owners can choose whether they would like to play with friends or strangers, whether nearby or on the other side of the world. The service represents the first foray by IGN's GameSpy into portable games. "We're excited to bring the technology that powers more than 300 PC and console video games to Nintendo's innovative wireless platform. Now developers can easily and confidently add advanced matchmaking, community and other multiplayer services to their Nintendo DS games," says Mark Stieglitz, general manager of IGN Entertainment's GameSpy Technology Group. "We're honored that Nintendo is choosing IGN's GameSpy as their middleware partner, and look forward to a very long relationship." |
Ok... I see now. The access to the online network is free, but the access to the hotspots is only free if you use your personal home network or a free hotspot. But if you say, went to your local Starbucks to play online, you would be required to have a subscription to T-Mobile in order to use it. That is what I was confused about.
That is why when you said Nintendo is giving free hotspot access to 1000 Japanese hot spots, I was confused. You still have to pay to use the hotspot, but your access to the network to meet other players is free. |
Not quite. Nintendo is setting up (in Japan) over 1000 free access hotspots that require no network configuration. Thats what I want to know if they are going to do here as well.
The wireless at all the starbucks around me is free anyway, where are you at that it costs money? |
Originally Posted by jeffdsmith
The wireless at all the starbucks around me is free anyway, where are you at that it costs money?
http://www.t-mobile.com/hotspot/services_plans.htm |
I hope it doesn't end up a situation where Nintendo sets up free wireless hotspots and lots of cool downloads and freebies in Japan and in America NOA spends all their time promoting lame concert events and completely screws US gamers over.
Yes, I am bitter about the US not getting a pink Kirby stylus. :lol: |
San Antonio is now in the works to allow free wireless access city wide. Another local city has already done so and I'm sure others will follow. My Nintendo hope is that the Revolution is in actuality a PSP killer/home console. They've said it would hook to not only TV's but monitors as well. A tablet style console that could play GCN games on the go would be so cool. They need to do something because I can't stop playing my PSP. Animal Crossing DS is set to change that though.
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Originally Posted by joshd2012
they are going to fall the way of SEGA.
Anyway to get this thread back on track. The latest news is that square-enix seems to be interested in supporting Revolution. good news if true :). I'd like to see another Mario rpg by square (even though i loved paper mario and Mario and Luigi) |
I can't see the point of putting more add ons for the gba sp. By definition an addon typically reduces the portability of the unit and portability is the one thing that the sp has the ds and psp beaten on handsdown. So I would assume that any additional features will actually be encompassed in a new redesigned gba unit.
I'm not sure what would get me to upgrade though. I have mp3 playback in the shuffle already which weighs almost nothing. Maybe they could tackle the ngage market with a mobile phone that plays gba games. I'd actually buy it (my current phone is ancient) but I doubt anyone else would :). Anyone else have any ideas? |
Details on Square/online plans, ripped from IGN:
May 11, 2005 - A recent interview with Square Enix president Youichi Wada at Japanese site Impress Game Watch suggests good things both for Nintendo's networking plans and the next generation Revolution system. In response to Nintendo president Satoru Iwata's recent comments on the company's upcoming networking plans (Wada's comments seem to have been made prior to Nintendo's official announcement regarding its DS WiFi service), Wada offers up praise for the ideas featured in the plan, and even suggests that Nintendo could bring new users to the Online gaming world. One area that Wada seems to be impressed with is a particularly controversial side of Nintendo's Online plan. In his comments posted at Impress Game Watch yesterday, Iwata states that Nintendo is going through with the idea of letting players connect only to players whom they've met in real life. While it's unclear how strict Nintendo plans to be with this idea (Animal Crossing DS is reported to allow for play amongst strangers), Wada applauds the move in his comments today, stating "It gives the image of taking the real world seamlessly into the virtual world." This new structure could lead to a number of changes in the current network gaming system, with Wada suggesting "the means of building a community will be completely different, and support and services will also change." The stance Square Enix takes on the new networking plan in relation to Revolution is the most intriguing. "What increased our interest further," states Wada regarding the networking plan, "is that the next step is already being prepared for Revolution." Nintendo's networking plan is, according to Wada, "not just a portable, not just a console -- it's exactly what we wanted in that it's the birth of a completely new platform." Wada finishes off on the note of support from Square Enix: "From here on, we'll have to challenge ourselves with content in response to what Nintendo offers. We would like to give strong support." With these comments, Wada seems to be committing Square Enix to support of Nintendo's new networking plan, and this will almost certainly take early form on the DS. The mention of Revolution's role in the company's decision process suggests that future support for the console is a possibility as well. |
Originally Posted by Chris_D
Anyone else have any ideas?
Actually the phone thing would be a possiblity in Japan, but I think it is highly unlikely in the US. |
I can't believe they are tapping the GBA well again. -ohbfrank- Gawd their abysmal support for DS has really been turning me off.
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I cant see another GBA SP2 coming out out...Its either a NEW Gameboy ITSELF, or nothing else.
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Originally Posted by GizmoDVD
I cant see another GBA SP2 coming out out...Its either a NEW Gameboy ITSELF, or nothing else.
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Originally Posted by Gallant Pig
I can't believe they are tapping the GBA well again. -ohbfrank- Gawd their abysmal support for DS has really been turning me off.
DS support should step up in coming months with Nintendogs, Castlevania, Metroid, Mario etc. |
Originally Posted by Gallant Pig
I can't believe they are tapping the GBA well again. -ohbfrank- Gawd their abysmal support for DS has really been turning me off.
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