Wow, you didn't even get anything resembling a chuckle out of me. It's sad you have to refer to another thread to even try and make your "point" (the michael bay one, which is a whole other argument). For someone who's not an xbox supporter, as you claim you are not (just a sympathiser right?), you sure spend a lot of time defending a console that's not even out yet. But I guess you're right, it's wrong that we bother voicing our opinion about an upcoming console, even if it means that we may not buy it because we don't agree with the marketing strategy. That's blasphemy, hell we might as well be banned because we are "bashing" a console that is not even out yet. God forbid we have an opinon on the matter, what are these forums coming to. Conform or go home.

I love these forums. You got your serious gamers, your casual gamers, and then you got all the other people that just talk about gaming and marketing strategies and all this other bullshit but never seem to even finish a fucking game.
If playing with a toy makes you an infant, then yes, you are in fact an infant. If you take yourself so seriously that it bothers you to be called an infant... you are an infant. Anything can be reffered to as a toy. If I buy a brand-spanking new sports car and I wanna call it my new toy, then it's a toy. Whatever I feel like playing with is my toy. My wife is my toy. You don't like it? Call it your "video game computer system". Who gives a shit... infant.


You defend a system and you're pegged as a "supporter/fanboy". You say something negative you're a "troll/console basher/thread-crapping-son-of-a-bitch". Know what? I hate them all. For different reasons. I like them all... for different reasons. I have them all, for different reasons. The biggest reason are the games. I don't care if the Revolution/PS3/Xbox360 is shaped like an ass and you have to slide games through the crack and stick you're finger in the hole to turn the system on as long as the games are good. (Although that might not fit in with the rest of my HT setup, or fit in between the cabinet doors. Or be stackable for that matter.) ;)

BTW, I love you all.

This is what I believe to be true. Read my first (or maybe it was my second) post in this thread. Games will not be optimized because you've got a platform that has variations in performance (much like what developers have to consider when coding games for the PC market).

I've never heard of that rumor but that might increase interest in the purchase of the HD even if there is not much support for it from a gaming standpoint.

The games will definitely be the deal breaker/sealer for me. There's no doubt both systems will produce similar graphics, but I want the one that supports true HDTV. I'm not talking about the current Xbox games which are labeled "HDTV 480P". That is misleading since they are not "high-definition" at all. Give me the system that supports games in 1080I or 720P.

You know, there's something to that. When I think about the two systems I own (PS2 & XBOX), I really perfer the Xbox. There are five reasons why : 1) More powerful system, better graphics 2) Xbox Live for online MP is better than PS2 online 3)DD 5.1 sound 4) HD support makes it easy to save lots of time without memory space issues 5)Widescreen High-Def support.
Now it's very likely that the PS3 will have better graphics, equal or better High Def and 5.1 support, equal or better online gameplay (at least in theory), and that the 360 will not have an HD. Suddenly, I'm wondering what will make people prefer it over the PS3. Maybe the games, but except for the Halo series, I don't see much that's going to keep the system moving past year 1. They don't have a huge collection of exclusive must-have franchises in their library. Who knows, I could be wrong (raise your hand if, at launch, you pegged GTA as the franchise that would be the savior for the PS2). Still, there's a lot up in the air surrounding this lauch (which I still contend is coming about six months to a year too early).

BTW : Does anyone know about how Live voice chat will be handled with wireless controllers? I asked a few pages ago and nobody replied

1. sorry you didn't think it was funny, but I don't feel like explaining it to you.
2. wasn't referring to another thread, but rather a recurring theme around here... I didn't "have to" but I don't know what's so sad about it either way.
3. I like my xbox and I support that, but I haven't really said anything about the 360 except that it's supposed to have a great launch lineup. As for defending it, go ahead and say whatever the hell you want about it - you clearly missed my point, and that's totally fine. Never said I wasn't an xbox supporter, I just said I wasn't a cheerleader.
4. I haven't reported a single post in this or any 360 thread, so if you have issues with the whole anti-console bashing thing or the forum rules in general - take it up with someone who works here.

I don't think there's been any console bashing. Simply expressing a negative opinion isn't bashing.

It's trolling, bashing console in a thread about a game rather than a thread about a launch/launch rumors, etc. that were the problem last time around.

The problem these days is now some people expect no negative opinions to be voiced, and that's simply absurd.

Positive and negative opinions need to be posted, that's the whole point of a discussion board.

And IMO opinions are being posted that are valid on both sides. Some people just need to lighten up and not get so annoyed with opinions that differ from their own. And if they can't then they should take advantage of the ignore user feature.

I just don't understand it at all. Their video game systems for godsake! Why is there any reason to get upset, annoyed etc. at others opinions (trolling bashing aside)?

The only thing that upsets me is ignorance and fan boys. I base my buying decisions on the controller design (what doesn't cramp my hand) and the actual internals of the system. I’m in the computer field so I got an Xbox, because it is a computer. And because of halo and halo 2 and now unreal 2. The only game I would ever play on a ps1 or 2 was the Tekken series. And the PS 2 is a strong console, but not a powerhouse like the box. And I really don't like the game cube too many childish games which aren't to my taste. That and the thing reminds me of that little puzzle cube from Hellraiser so it’s just creepy; not to mention it is weak in the power department.

I really can't wait to see all the new consoles. It will be fun seeing who is the biggest baldest most flatulent fat kid on the block. Between Sony and Microsoft I mean.

:lol: well said.

i was beginning to think no one had a sense of humor any more on this forum.

I think we all have things we look for in systems. With consoles I'm 90% concerned with software. If the console looks to have enough games I want to play I will spend the money on it. I bought the PS2, Xbox and Cube this generation and it was based purely on them having must have games I wanted to play at the time.

Unfortunately I have a feeling all three of them will have exclusive stuff I want next generation as well and I will end up not being able to resist the urge to spend big bucks next generation as well.

The only system recently that sold me on purely a hardware standpoint was the PSP.

From that pick it looks like the Xbox will use 64MB memory cards. That is plenty for saving games, but I don't know if that will be enough for maps and other extras. I'm thinking the harddrive will end up being a must buy accessory anyway.

rotfl

So some on this board (Trigger for example) and other gaming sites have speculated that the launch will have some good titles. Any idea or speculation beyond Perfect Dark Zero and the IGN rumoured Halo 2.5?

I'm hoping that Half Life 2 is one of them.

I like the look of the console. White is the new black :)

Doesn't it feel strange launching a new system at this point? I only say this because it still feels like the current crop of game systems are in their prime. Graphics don't seem to be the issue that they used to be; instead we really seem to be moving beyond this and focusing on gameplay. This is the first time that I don't feel like we need to jump ahead technologically wise although I do understand Microsoft's wish to do so from a business perspective.

Hopefully it will sell for 200 but 299 seems to be the basic launch price these days.

As for the hard drive, I imagine that it will only really affect Live subscribers, which is probably why I'm not so concerned. I'm stuck back in the dark ages when it comes to that and have yet to play against anyone online.

I believe Half Life 2 is expected on the current X box this summer...

The current official Xbox Magazine article in the current month's issue indicates that

http://www.officialxboxmagazine.com/

A friend of mine told me a list of games and publishers that kinda shocked me... not to mention I was surprised at how many games were supposed to be ready at launch. He's been kinda unenthusiastic about his own company for awhile now, but he seemed to be pretty excited about this. I wish I could tell you, but I made a promise. All I can say is what I've probably already said - lots of games available at launch and lots of support from Japanese developers. I don't know how they were able to swing it either because their business model for the way they deal with 3rd party publishers/developers sucks... maybe they changed it.

Who the hell is taking these pictures? Can't we get a couple of decent shots of the whole system from a few different angles? This cloak and dagger stuff is really pissing me off.

Long, long wait for E3. Can't wait to see all the details especially about the game lineup. Japanese support combined with the already solid US support was really want I was hoping for from MS this time out. I'm also interested in seeing just how photo realistic the graphics will be on the new console. I'm also real curious about game prices. Just wondering if they will jump to $59.99 for the next gen consoles as predicted.

Hurry up E3 :mad:

HL2 seems a fair bet for launch. At this stage I'm wondering what improvements they will be able to make over the pc version?

I wholeheartily agree. There is so much more life left in the Xbox and to an extent the GCN(if they pushed all their games graphically like the new Zelda, and garnered some 3rd party support).

Of course when they show some stuff at E3, I sure a lot of us on the fence may be swayed.

MS has a lot of work to do cuz I don't plan on buying 2 systems before the first price drop and I'm pretty sure I'm getting a PS3 (unless they royally screw up).

By many accounts (including my own), Sony screwed up the PS2 but that didn't stop people from buying it. Then again, with Sony you have to deal with the not insignificant number of people who think everything Sony makes (from TVs on) is the best there is. In reality, much of Sony's stuff is overpriced, underperforming crap.

I'm getting a PS3 cuz I have PS2 games and no PS2. That's about the only reason at this point... I have a feeling all the consoles are gonna be about the same this time and I don't really give a crap which one I get. We're gonna see a shift this generation with 3rd party publishers doing less exclusives and just putting everything on all platforms. First party titles are important I guess, but I've always been really patient and I can wait until price drops or whatever. Hell, the only console I've ever bought was the Dreamcast for 50 bucks. Only reason I have an Xbox was cuz someone bought it for me.

I really don't see how Sony screwed up the PS2. You don't sell that many consoles if its not something people want.

You might want to look at Sony's losses in their electronics division before making that comment. Sony is having a hard time winning over consumers and they are struggling in every area but video games and their movie studio.

Consumers are staying away from Sony's products for just the reasons you mentioned. In many cases their stuff is overpriced with less features than the competition and they continue to want to force consumers into only using their proprietary technology like the overpriced memory sticks, crappy Sony software like SonicStage and inconvienent Atrac3. They have paid for this dearly in lost consumers. That is why Samsung, Apple and many others have taken away a huge chunk of their business. The quality of their products has also dropped despite the prices going up. I recently bought one of their new MD players and was shocked by just how cheaply made it was. I returned it immediately and will probably never buy another Sony digital music player.

The Playstation is really the only thing they have gotten right in recent years. I don't know if its by luck (some would say that without GTA3 being a surprise blockbuster hit the Xbox would have killed the PS2 this generation) or by clever marketing. I think Sony has been successful by running their video game business differently from their electronics business. They have made the Playstation open and affordable for 3rd parties and have been rewarded by the best variety and shear volume of games of any console for two straight generations.

Damn, I apologize for going this far off topic, but I did want to point out that consumers have taken notice of Sony's failures and Microsoft does have a window of opportunity to cut deeply into Sony video game business if they listen to consumers and beat Sony at their own game.

Oddly enough I think GTA series will be the deal breaker for the next generation. If it stays exclusive to Sony (for 6-12 months whatever) then they should retain their lead.

Personally I wish PS3 was coming out next year, it would get Blu-Ray out there and the HD DVD format on BluRay would hopefully win out.

I agree, for me it's 90% game line up, with the other 10% being price, other features, design etc.

Design rarely matters to me as I usually keep my consoles out of site in the compartment below my TV. The X-box is the only console I've ever had that wouldnt' fit there, but MS solved that by shrinking the 360. :D

So going into next gen it's simply going to come down to who has the most games I want to play at the best prices (both on the console and games with greatest hits etc playing a huge factor) in me deciding which console(s) to pick up.