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Originally Posted by gmal2003
Im glad Ive waited so long to get Madden, Ill now own both NFL 2005 games for 40 bucks this year.
Funny story: A friend of mine bought Madden 2005 when it first came out (regular edition - 50 bucks). He didnt like NFL 2K5 and only played Madden 2005 a few times so he kept playing Madden 2004 this whole time (40th year of his franchise) and kept Madden 2005 in the case never opening it or even peeling off the shrink wrap. Since then the game price continues to drop. He bought a $50 game and has held off playing til now it cost only 20 :lol:. OK maybe not that funny but... |
Originally Posted by sentineles
A couple of things hit me as I'm reading this. First off, EA is very smart but very short-sighted. This deal is killing them from a PR standpoint and it may cause them to lose more money by not being able to recoup the losses caused by the exclusivity agreement. All I play is sports game and at that I truly prefer the ESPN games so I'm extremely disappointed that this is what it has come to. What ever happened to making a superior product? I probably will not purchase Madden 2006 simply on principle, I may even trade in my X-box........
One vaguely presented option is that EA what may really be after is contracting out the license. Maybe it will become "EA's ESPN Football" and Sega/VC pay EA for the rights to use the licensing. I'm not sure what EA's contract entails but I'm sure the NFL would not be happy b/c then EA would benefit from there being more authentic games and the NFL would be left out..... Here's the best play, you can have content but if you have no content provider(who really plays sports games on the computer?) you're screwed so what we need to do is let Sony and MS realize that EA is becoming a huge threat and get Sony and MS to exclude them from the next generation, competition benefits the manufacturers as well. I thought that you made some good points but I wanted to respond to a couple of these parts.... First, I know that there are preferences but Madden was the superior product when it comes down to sales. My guess is that the NFL saw this and knew that EA would pay a huge amount to make sure that that revenue continued (more than all the other licenses combined) so they offered exclusivity. So the NFL is making more money, no matter what EA does with it, because EA had been making obscene amounts of money off of an NFL product (in a sense) and the NFL wanted a bigger cut. Your final point seems like you're using the "two wrongs make a right" strategy. Why push out a developer? Maybe strong arm EA by MS and Sony working together with demands but these are two companies that already voluntarily withdrew their challenges to EA's football reign. I think not that if either company didn't accept EA, it would be their death....(see Dreamcast). |
Check out this scenario:
Sony pays exclusivity rights to EA to only have Madden on PS3.... Now if you want to play NFL football, you have to buy Madden and a PS3...might change a lot of minds of people deciding which next generation console to buy (or fast forward 3 years, EA has excusivity rights to all major/minor US sports, owns 50% of all major/minor game houses, releases their own console and dominates the world!!! at least the US/Euro Market) |
Originally Posted by hail2dking
Check out this scenario:
Sony pays exclusivity rights to EA to only have Madden on PS3.... Now if you want to play NFL football, you have to buy Madden and a PS3...might change a lot of minds of people deciding which next generation console to buy (or fast forward 3 years, EA has excusivity rights to all major/minor US sports, owns 50% of all major/minor game houses, releases their own console and dominates the world!!! at least the US/Euro Market) |
I have preferred Madden and have bought it regularly year after year for several years. Because of this exclusivity agreement, I'm not entirely sure I'll be buying Madden next year.
Even though my preferred game will still be the one that's out there, I just don't like exclusivity deals like this. |
Originally Posted by gp98
First, I know that there are preferences but Madden was the superior product when it comes down to sales. My guess is that the NFL saw this and knew that EA would pay a huge amount to make sure that that revenue continued (more than all the other licenses combined) so they offered exclusivity. So the NFL is making more money, no matter what EA does with it, because EA had been making obscene amounts of money off of an NFL product (in a sense) and the NFL wanted a bigger cut.
Originally Posted by gp98
Your final point seems like you're using the "two wrongs make a right" strategy. Why push out a developer? Maybe strong arm EA by MS and Sony working together with demands but these are two companies that already voluntarily withdrew their challenges to EA's football reign. I think not that if either company didn't accept EA, it would be their death....(see Dreamcast).
In what be a touch of foreshadowing, I remember when EA Sports got the rights to NASCAR everyone complained about their games being unrealistic compared to the Papyrus NASCAR games. Starting next year though, EA Sports will offer 2 versions of NASCAR games, a realistic one and the current more arcade-styled one. Hopefully, EA Sports is learning from some of their past acquirings and will make the appropriate adjustment for the NFL license now before a good developer ceases to exist. If I remember correctly, when Sega opted to stop producing consoles, several companies including MS and EA made a strong push to acquire them and when Sega said it would continue independently, the companies turned their attention to acquiring what they really coveted (VC) which failed at that time. This was why I purchased an Xbox was because MS was believed to be the front runner and had just released 2 Sega games exclusively. What would be great is if this deal is just the appetizer to EA acquiring Visual Concepts and allowing them to continue to produce an NFL game and allow them to assume control of the franchises they are better with like the NBA. Imagine what a VC game would be like if they had the same funding as EA Sports. |
Originally Posted by nickdawgy
How did he play Madden 2005 if he didn't open it?
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Re: No More ESPN NFL 2K...
Here's a good old thread bump.
From USAtoday: Video game players who purchased copies of Madden NFL, NCAA Football or any other football title published by Electronic Arts may have discovered an interesting email in their inboxes. The message details a class-action lawsuit against EA, according to court documents. The suit alleges EA overcharged customers and "foreclosed competition in an alleged football video game market," reads the email, which can also be viewed on a website called EA Sports Litigation. Plantiffs in the class action suit are eligible if they "purchased certain Electronic Arts brand football video games between January 1, 2005 and the present," says the statement. The case -- Geoffrey Pecover and Andrew Owens vs. Electronic Arts, Inc. -- was filed at the U.S. District Court, Northern District of California in 2008. The lawsuit was recently certified, meaning it could retain class action status. The suit claims Electronic Arts' exclusive deals with the NFL, NCAA and Arena Football League helped them create "a monopoly in the market for interactive football software." An EA response filed in 2009 "affirmatively denies" violating any antitrust or unfair competition laws. For several years, Electronic Arts' Madden NFL franchise competed against Take-Two Interactive and its NFL 2K series until the exclusivity deal was reached in 2004. The last game from Take-Two was NFL 2K5. |
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I bought one I believe.
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I bought 3 Maddens and 2 NCAA's in the past 6 years, i'm gonna be rich.
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But haven't other football games come out without the licenses (granted, I don't think any of them did that well, but hard to claim a monopoly if there were other games). Otherwise, I can see EA giving up the vast sums of money Arena football is making them to break the "monopoly."
I'm sure we'll all get $5 coupons off of full retail for Madden '15. |
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I don't know why I got it, but here's the email I got in my inbox this morning:
To view this email as a web page, click here. GEOFFREY PECOVER and ANDREW OWENS v. ELECTRONIC ARTS INC. U.S. District Court (N.D. Cal. - Oakland Div.) Case No. 08-cv-02820 CW If You Purchased Certain Electronic Arts Brand Football Video Games Between January 1, 2005 to the Present You May Be a Class Member. Membership as a class member in the Electronic Arts Litigation is the result of a lawsuit filed in the U.S. District Court, Northern District of California, Oakland Division (Case No. 08-cv-02820 CW). What Is This Class Action About? The class action lawsuit alleges violations of California's antitrust and consumer protection laws in connection with the sale of certain football video games. Plaintiffs, purchasers of Electronic Arts' football video games, claim that Defendant Electronic Arts entered into a series of exclusive licenses with the National Football League (NFL), National Football League Players' Association (NFLPA), National Collegiate Athletics Association (NCAA), and Arena Football League (AFL), which Plaintiffs claim foreclosed competition in an alleged football video game market. Plaintiffs allege that this series of exclusive licenses caused customers who purchased certain football video games to be overcharged. Defendant Electronic Arts has denied any liability and all allegations of misconduct. The Court has not decided whether the Defendants did anything wrong, and this Notice is not an expression of any opinion by the Court about the merits of any of the claims or defenses asserted by any party to this litigation. Who Are Class Members? The Class includes all persons who, during the period January 1, 2005 to the present, purchased the Madden NFL, NCAA Football, or Arena Football League brand video games published by Electronic Arts with a release date of January 1, 2005 to the present. Excluded from the class are purchasers of software for mobile devices, persons purchasing directly from Electronic Arts, persons purchasing used copies of the relevant football video games, and Electronic Arts' employees, officers, directors, legal representatives, and wholly or partly owned subsidiaries or affiliated companies. What Should I Do? (Getting Further Information) If you believe that you may be a class member (see above "Who Are Class Members"), you should get more detailed information about the class action and its potential effect on you and your rights. Further information can be obtained by going to the following website: www.easportslitigation.com. Additional information about the lawsuit may be obtained from Plaintiffs' Counsel website at www.hbsslaw.com, or by calling Plaintiffs' Counsel at 1-206-623-7292. To Remain a Class Member If you are a class member and you do nothing, you will be bound by the court's rulings in the lawsuit, including any final Settlement or Judgment. To Exclude Yourself from the Class (Deadline to Request Exclusion: June 25, 2011) If you are a class member and you want to exclude yourself from the class and keep your right to sue Defendant, you must take further action before June 25, 2011. By that date, you must request exclusion in writing to this address: Electronic Arts Litigation Exclusion P.O. Box 8090 San Rafael CA 94912-8090 Or submit a request for exclusion electronically at the following website: www.easportslitigation.com For further information about excluding yourself from the class go to the following website: www.easportslitigation.com Please do not telephone or address inquiries to the Court. April 6, 2011. By Order of the U.S. District Court (N.D. Cal. - Oakland Div.). |
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From the link in that email it looks like you don't have to do anything to stay in the class but if you want to opt out you have until June 25th. So if the suit goes though we should be getting a coupon in our email 5 years or so from now.
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I got the email too. I've purchased a couple of NCAA games.
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Wait, now I'm even more confused, how were consumers overcharged? It's not like they raised the price of Madden after they bought the exclusive license...
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Originally Posted by fujishig
(Post 10714861)
Wait, now I'm even more confused, how were consumers overcharged? It's not like they raised the price of Madden after they bought the exclusive license...
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Weren't the 2K games always cheaper than the Madden/EA series?
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IIRC, the last NFL 2K game came out at $20 and was very close in quality to Madden.
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Originally Posted by Noonan
(Post 10714882)
IIRC, the last NFL 2K game came out at $20 and was very close in quality to Madden.
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Originally Posted by Noonan
(Post 10714882)
IIRC, the last NFL 2K game came out at $20 and was very close in quality to Madden.
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Originally Posted by spainlinx0
(Post 10714897)
Very close? It trounced Madden in quality.
Here is hoping this NFL mess this year ends the exclusive EA deal. But I know it will not and we will have the same old Madden as the only NFL game in the market. |
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Originally Posted by fujishig
(Post 10714861)
Wait, now I'm even more confused, how were consumers overcharged? It's not like they raised the price of Madden after they bought the exclusive license...
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Originally Posted by chuckd21
(Post 10720082)
I think their argument is that Madden dropped it's price to match 2K5, then they got the license and jacked it back up to full price the next year.
I just got the email this weekend too, so I guess I'm in for whatever coupon EA deigns to give me. |
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So EA's exclusive license ends after the 2012 season. Any chance we get a new 2K football or is this most likely to just get renewed? I know there was news that EA was not allowed to have an NCAA exclusive license.
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Wasn't it renewed last time?
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Damn I can't find anything about when their stupid deal actually expires. However it seems like we could get a competing college game, ,which holds absolutely no interest for me. Ugh will this horror show never end?
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Goddamn it, bumping this thread got me all kinds of excited. :sad:
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I heard its 2014 now.
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EA's exclusive license ends this year with the release of Madden 14 or "Madden 25" as it's being called now. It will be interesting to see what happens next.
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I guess it really won't matter. Any new studio is going to take a few years to catch up, but it would be nice to get any other kind of game. I still can't believe how much better the presentation was in that game than even the current Madden.
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