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Old 11-08-04, 12:03 AM
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Why is Halo 2 rated M

Hello,
I have an 8 year old that has been playing Halo with his other buddies about the same age.
He is hounding me for Halo 2, but I am wondering if it really deserves an M rating. I played the first Halo (not all the way through), but I didn't think it was too bad.
I have also Played GTA and there is no way I would allow my son to play that game.
Is there harsh language in Halo 2. I noticed the first one didn't list language and Halo 2 does.
Thanks for your help on this.
Old 11-08-04, 12:09 AM
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Online play changes everything... can't really speak for the content of the single player experience.
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well if you've taught him right then all should be well. as long as he knows it's not real then i think it's fine. there's a lot of blood i guess and that's why they would've put the M on it. i'd let my 14month old watch me play.
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there's a lot of blood i guess and that's why they would've put the M on it. i'd let my 14month old watch me play.
Well, he did say that the description for the M rating lists language while the first one didn't, so there must be some dialog that could be objectionable.

What I would do is check GameFAQs after the game is released. People with lots of time on their hands will write transcripts for popular games. I'm sure it won't be long before someone does that for this game. If there isn't a FAQ labeled as a script, check the general FAQs and see if anyone has the dialog in there.
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to Brewser for being a responsible parent and keeping an eye on what the kid is doing.
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One thing I always said when parents were looking at games for the kids and asked my opinion on halo's M rating was, "A game like halo isn't too bad because even though there is killing stuff, there are clear good and evil sides and your saving the universe not just be violent for violences sake like GTA". After all is said and done it's only the parents who can decide what their child can handle.
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Originally posted by Blotto
One thing I always said when parents were looking at games for the kids and asked my opinion on halo's M rating was, "A game like halo isn't too bad because even though there is killing stuff, there are clear good and evil sides and your saving the universe not just be violent for violences sake like GTA". After all is said and done it's only the parents who can decide what their child can handle.

And flourecent blue "alien blood" in video games really does take away the impact of the kills.
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If I am not mistaken ..during the battles where there are marines present ...they may let loose with a blue word here and there. I am not certain but definitely seems more than appropriate if that is the case.
Old 11-08-04, 06:11 PM
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Wasn't the release date of Halo 11/01 ? If so how is that 48 months?
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In an effort to steal the thunder from Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas, you can now pick up hookers in the Warthog.
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I can think of a few reasons, based on my experiences with Halo 1:

1) The violence isn't realistic, and hardly as graphic as Solider Of Fortune or Doom 3. But it can get kind of intense: you can shoot the heads off of grunts, etc.

2) Even though the aliens are clearly aliens, they're not all paper-thin embodiments of evil. The little guys, for instance, are funny and kind of cute. When you surprise them, they run around, waving their arms over their heads, shouting, "They're everywhere!" And yet you have to shoot them anyway. That might make kids feel bad (especially shooting its head off with a sniper rifle.)

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Halo 1 featured The Flood, a race of parasitic zombies, and they're back for Halo 2. They could be quite startling and creepy for kids. They graft themselves onto types of monsters you've already seen and grow new, random limbs and such. I imagine that an undead human with some floodlings attached would give some young kids bad nightmares.

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Old 11-08-04, 07:11 PM
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LOL, haven't you heard?

video games like halo train your kids to shoot guns and kill.
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I would think that the online play is the reason that it gets a mature rating. I, for one, would never let a child have a headset and be exposed to the racism, foul language, and all around a-holes that are mouthing off on these microphones.
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Originally posted by ams
I would think that the online play is the reason that it gets a mature rating. I, for one, would never let a child have a headset and be exposed to the racism, foul language, and all around a-holes that are mouthing off on these microphones.
They're starting a Hello Kitty MMORPG, you know. It'd be amusing to see it rated M just because Peach Kitty might call Mauve Kitty a [email protected]

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Originally posted by ams
I would think that the online play is the reason that it gets a mature rating. I, for one, would never let a child have a headset and be exposed to the racism, foul language, and all around a-holes that are mouthing off on these microphones.
i doubt this. otherwise, pretty much all live games would be rated M.
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Originally posted by ams
I, for one, would never let a child have a headset and be exposed to the racism, foul language, and all around a-holes that are mouthing off on these microphones.
I guess that means I should have a "Rated M" sign on my mailbox. j/k

I agree. I would never let my 8 yr old daughter have access to LIVE. I thought that it would be harmless to let her play Checkers online, but I had to pull the plug on that one because of the same thing!!
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Thanks for the advice. I guess we will have to wait a couple more days to let everyone play it before we will know if it is age appropriate.
I am an old school gamer from the late 70's through the 80's and obviously you always strive for more realism, well, with the new systems we now have it.
The fighting is not bad in the first Halo (I guess blue alien blood is not as bad as real blood graphically) and the language is pretty mellow. I just don't want a bunch of swearing from the troops. I will not let him play it on live for the obvious reasons stated above.
Please let me know once you guys have the opportunity to play a few levels.
Thanks again
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You know man, you could just let your son play on Live but without the headset.

But props to you for being concerned.
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If you didnt have a problem with Halo 1, you shouldnt have a problem with Halo 2. I mean Halo 1 was rated M as well.

They are basically from the same mold. Just like others have said, be aware of live. Halo is nowhere near as bad as GTA, so in a way it's almost unfair for it to have the same exact rating.

Grand Theft Auto: SA is just pure trash a small child should never be exposed to. Hell, it serve no purpose for anyone really. For some reason they get very good reviews and have good gameplay. It was a fun game. Why it is cant be explained even by me who did play it. I am a hypocrite and it took me many hours to beat. lol.

But, seriously, I understand why you would be a little worried.
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Language could very well only be listed because of Live. Thats something to think about.

But, if you would feel more comfortable, wait a week or so. Hopefully your kid doesnt start pestering and downright beg for the title in the meantime if he was really into the first game.

I can understand his point really. And he could very well bring it up. Well dad, you let me play the first game, why cant I play the second that I have wanted so badly? It really would make no sense to a kid.

I do think though you should be fine after the first game. But, you can wait and see. Hopefully it is fine so your kid can play. I hate to see kids feel neglected on an item everyone else seems to be playing and enjoying. I know the feeling. lol.

Back in my days, it was Mario Brother 3 which I rented so many times until I bought it Christmas money. But, I can understand we are no longer of the era where Mario Bros 3 is the biggest game you have to worry about.

I can never imagine Mario and Princess Toadstool (AKA Peach) in San Andreas, but who knows what time brings? I think an M rated Mario is possible years from now as some sort of joke to the series. I mean it was created out of M rated ideas. Mushrooms for power, etc. It's history and where the idea came from was an interesting read. Marios Land in Super Mario Bros was basically a stoners delusion. But, what can you do?
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Originally posted by sfsdfd
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Halo 1 featured The Flood, a race of parasitic zombies, and they're back for Halo 2. They could be quite startling and creepy for kids. They graft themselves onto types of monsters you've already seen and grow new, random limbs and such. I imagine that an undead human with some floodlings attached would give some young kids bad nightmares.

Strong agreement with the above statement.

However, if you were going to get your kid Grand Theft Auto or Halo, I would go with Halo. At least you can't pick up hookers in Halo.

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it is not rated M because of language online, there are many games like Outrun 2 that are rated E for everyone, but it says experience may change with online play
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well, i for some reason am so use to movie violence and mroe realistic violence in vietnam type war games that the violence in halo 2 is so sci fi it shouldnt matter to the average person really. i work in a public school in the inner city and have very few students running in wanting to be like 'master chief'. whereas gangstas and gta types characters are mimiced often. There is however some bad language from the marines in the game, and i think they even say shit during a cut scene or two, but the game doesnt disrespect women, isnt really gratuitous, and really doesnt emphasize the swearing and dialogue as key to the game, hence nothing real impressionable, just a cool laser and sound show to be hold.

P.S. to those who have had to remove their young children off of the internet for playing checkers and hearts, sorry for the bad language, i get into the most minut of games
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Actually, it's a However, I did search aroung a little bit before posting, but I do appreciate you pointing me in the right direction, it is helpful.

And thanks to Tamrok for the response. It was exactly what I was looking for.
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Actually, it's a However, I did search aroung a little bit before posting, but I do appreciate you pointing me in the right direction, it is helpful.

And thanks to Tamrok for the response. It was exactly what I was looking for.
I know, I vaguely remembered this thread in the millions about Halo 2, it was buried, but I found it.

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