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Old 10-27-04 | 04:04 PM
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http://www.joystiq.com/entry/7816036482524569/

Funny how you ask for sources but fail to provide your own. Please show me some links for confirmed games that will be out within the first 2 months.

There are tons of unique games that are made specifically for the GBA architecture, virtually all of them.

Sure Nintendo releases their "classic" hits or whatever and they sell, they are tapping into a nostalga factor that Sony simply does not have yet. PS1 games might hold some appeal, I agree to that, but I don't feel they carry as much weight. As far as PS2 ports go maybe in a few years people will want to bring GTA:SA with them, but for right now most people are content playing it at home. It would be one thing if you could carry your saves with you and play the game on the go, but you can't.

There is more in that game then simply an added map. I'll let you do your research. In addition, the game was named "Best game of all time" by several publications, there is likely some crowd out there willing to relive the memories of the first ever true 3d analog controlled adventure game.

I agree, I havn't seen anything yet that makes me say "OMG", however with the intersting hardware capabilites, Nintendo's proven track record, and buzz from developers, I think the DS has a real chance to deliver some innovative and unique gaming experiences.

Metroid: Hunters may indeed suck with a stylus, I don't know. The fact is that Nintendo is the company that is always looking for better ways to control games, this is good and bad, sometimes they will have a hit, sometimes a miss. Time will tell.

Definitley possible. Question to gamers everywhere should be is will Sony also deliver new and innovative content to the system or are we going to only see ports and sequels to our current favorite PS2 titles? I fully realize that many people are and would be completely happy with this, so yes it could be a success even without truely unique and innovative offerings.
OK my bad for not providing my sources.

Here are the 6 games EA is releasing for the PSP launch or close to it

By unique if you mean games that aren't released on any other system then sure there are some good ones (Advance wars etc). I took it to mean innovative. Most of the games on the market these days are formulaic and aren't really different in terms of genres but do have varying production values. If the PSP releases a string of games to fit every genre then they'll be fine (racing, sports, puzzle, fighter, and the previously impossible FPS).

I'm done arguing for the merits of each system. We'll see which system comes out on top in the end.
Old 10-27-04 | 04:05 PM
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Old 10-28-04 | 12:02 AM
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Originally posted by BeckysBoy
Actually, Sony has been notoriously bad in this respect. Even on the PS2 they neglected to include built-in four player support, forcing gamers not only to invest in additional controllers but a MultiTap as well.
the multitap comment i'll give you. but saying you 'not only have to invest in additional controllers' is just bs. tell me what system comes with more than one controller?
Old 10-28-04 | 12:18 AM
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I still don't get the Handheld gaming obsession. Itty bitty fuckin' screen, crappy graphics, low battery life, and pricing way above what they should cost.

But oh well, ya'll have fun with your PSwhateverthefucks.
Old 10-28-04 | 12:35 AM
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Originally posted by Giantrobo
I still don't get the Handheld gaming obsession. Itty bitty fuckin' screen, crappy graphics, low battery life, and pricing way above what they should cost.

But oh well, ya'll have fun with your PSwhateverthefucks.
Its a bitch putting my PS2 and TV in my pocket not to mention the trouble of hooking it up on an airplane, waiting in line at the bank or wherever I might want to get in some play away from home.
Old 10-28-04 | 12:47 AM
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Its a bitch putting my PS2 and TV in my pocket not to mention the trouble of hooking it up on an airplane, waiting in line at the bank or wherever I might want to get in some play away from home.
Do you get bored that easily?
Old 10-28-04 | 12:51 AM
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Originally posted by jeffdsmith
Sony is pulling a Sega here. Back at the release of the Saturn Sega launched the system with only one controller and no game. A bare bones system. Both Sony and Nintendo followed suit to stay competitive in cost. In years prior all systems launched with at least a game and most with 2 controllers.

It's very effective strategy as the end consumer usually only debates the cost of the unit and rarely has the forsight to look at the whole picture. The TCO (total cost of ownership) for the PSP will no doubt be much higher overall.
Virtua Fighter was packed in with the launch Saturn. I know this because I got my Saturn at launch in May, and that cleaned me out of cash til September when I could buy Bug. Until that time, I played nothing but Virtua Fighter.

Sega had originally dabbled with the concept of a core system back in the Genesis days and that might have been what paved way for core systems later on.
Old 10-28-04 | 02:21 AM
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Interesting, but we'll see. Im waiting to see if rumor becomes truth when it comes to the "remake" of Symphony of the Night. However if a game like say Soul Calibur was released on the PSP and didnt suck royally Id probably shell out the cash for one, but Im still looking forward to the DS.
Old 10-28-04 | 04:45 AM
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Wazootyman, thanks for the correction, sometimes my mind falls, its been a while, I just know Sega started this whole thing.
Old 10-28-04 | 05:09 AM
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4-6 hours? That's a short battery life... I'm having GameGear flashbacks.
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Keep in mind that systems have released at cheaper prices or at the same prices as new systems a decade or two a go. This is without taking into consideration inflation and the fact that our country has even more "recreational" spending than it used to.

I really think it's in our interests to be able to buy the bare-bones systems and only upgrade what we need. I would have hated paying for a remote and a vertical stand for the PS2, but there are others who felt they needed it. I would rather make the choice than allow the suits to.
Old 10-28-04 | 07:46 AM
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the multitap comment i'll give you. but saying you 'not only have to invest in additional controllers' is just bs. tell me what system comes with more than one controller?
None, now. But as mentioned before, they all used to.
Old 10-28-04 | 08:30 AM
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4-6 hours? That's a short battery life... I'm having GameGear flashbacks.
Yeah, but at least now it's rechargeable. I can't imagine how people kept up with buying batteries for Game Gear, Turbo Express or Lynx.
Old 10-28-04 | 08:50 AM
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Yeah, but at least now it's rechargeable. I can't imagine how people kept up with buying batteries for Game Gear, Turbo Express or Lynx.
The Game Gear had the rechargable "PowerBack," but it added a couple of pounds (not an exaggeration) and still only gave you around 4-6 hours.

Man, can you imagine the indignity of having to buy a separate rechargable battery just to get a decent amount of play time?

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Old 10-28-04 | 08:55 AM
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Originally posted by PixyJunket
Yeah, but at least now it's rechargeable. I can't imagine how people kept up with buying batteries for Game Gear, Turbo Express or Lynx.
I used to use rechargable batteries for my Game Gear, so I never really had issues with that.

Granted, I only had two games for the Game Gear, so I didn't play it much.
Old 10-28-04 | 09:08 AM
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Keep in mind that systems have released at cheaper prices or at the same prices as new systems a decade or two a go. This is without taking into consideration inflation and the fact that our country has even more "recreational" spending than it used to.

I really think it's in our interests to be able to buy the bare-bones systems and only upgrade what we need. I would have hated paying for a remote and a vertical stand for the PS2, but there are others who felt they needed it. I would rather make the choice than allow the suits to.
So you feel it was a mistake for Sony to include DVD functionality in the PS2?
Old 10-28-04 | 09:28 AM
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Originally posted by Giantrobo
I still don't get the Handheld gaming obsession. Itty bitty fuckin' screen, crappy graphics, low battery life, and pricing way above what they should cost.

But oh well, ya'll have fun with your PSwhateverthefucks.
Nice thread crap. Why even post anything? You sound like an idiot and a "moran".
Old 10-28-04 | 09:31 AM
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Nice thread crap. Why even post anything? You sound like an idiot and a "moran".
I agree. Crappy graphics? Sounds like an MTV kid.
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Originally posted by jeffdsmith
So you feel it was a mistake for Sony to include DVD functionality in the PS2?
Good question. I don't think it was a mistake because of the timing (it would be one now, since so many households already have dvd players), at the time though, I think a lot of people justified the purchase because of it (even if it was a justification to a significant other or parent).

But, preference wise, I would have prefered to pay $20 or $30 less and not have dvd playback.
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It never would've been a mistake to include DVD functionality... in Japan and Korea and elsewhere, space is limited and if you can fit everything into one small box then it'll be better to own and a more popular item. Given the choice between owning a game console and a separate dvd player and owning a console that played dvds, most people in japan would choose the latter. We have so much space here in the US that we take things like this for granted.
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Originally posted by Trigger
It never would've been a mistake to include DVD functionality... in Japan and Korea and elsewhere, space is limited and if you can fit everything into one small box then it'll be better to own and a more popular item. Given the choice between owning a game console and a separate dvd player and owning a console that played dvds, most people in japan would choose the latter. We have so much space here in the US that we take things like this for granted.
I've never bought this argument. Buying one box that does five different things is stupid. If people really wanted that we'd all be clamoring to own TV/DVD/VCR combos. And we're not. I know we've all seen TV/VCR combos where the VCR/DVD portion crapped out and people just kept using the TV with another VCR/DVD. When you put a lot of different functions into one box, what you get is a box that does a lot of different things badly. Would you want a PC in which you were unable to swap out the video card, hard drive, network card, etc.? Of course not. It's the modularity that allows you to keep the machine operational and useful for a longer period of time. Moreover, the DVD player portion of a PS2 or Xbox is not nearly as good in terms of performance and usability as even a cheap standalone DVD player. So why should I pay extra for the redundancy when I'd prefer to have the separate DVD player anyway?
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You guys both raise good points. I was not nor am I am using this thread to argue whether DVD function in a gameplayer is good or not.

My only point was showing some contradiction in his thinking.

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So many points to catch up on.

1) For an extra $50 (Budget Bundle) you get the memory card, headphones, and case. All units come with recharagable battery and charger.

2) The four ports were left out because Sony believed online gaming would be bigger than it was. You only need one port to play online, the other three just collect dust.

3) The reason the PS2 having DVD capability was so important, was because it was the cheapest DVD player in Japan at the time. Is a consumer reallying going to pay more and get less?

4) Battery life is low, but definetely better than was predicted. When you are pumping PS2 power in a hand-held, its going to suck a lot more than an N64.
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Originally posted by joshd2012
its going to suck a lot more than an N64.
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