Alienware computers the shiznit for gaming or all hype?
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Ok.
Ok.
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Originally posted by al_bundy
why can't a home builder achieve their performance? They use standard enthusiast parts from companies like Asus that are known to home builders and that you can get anywhere. Looking at their prices it looks like you are paying more than the normal retail prices than at a retailer like Newegg.
why can't a home builder achieve their performance? They use standard enthusiast parts from companies like Asus that are known to home builders and that you can get anywhere. Looking at their prices it looks like you are paying more than the normal retail prices than at a retailer like Newegg.
There are numerous examples where Alienware has done special software and hardware tweaking to deliever higher performace, below is one of their more known recent examples:
MaximumPC July 2004
Alienware ALX
Alienware's Bold Experiment Could Double Your Gaming Performance
Alienware's technology is completely card-agnostics, it will work with ATI or nVidia cards (or a combination of both), and doesn't even require videocard vendors to write special drivers. Instead, Alienware has written custom software that sits between the Direct3D layer and the actual videocard drivers. This software splits the image it needs to render into two halves - top and bottom - and sends one half to each card. Each outputs its half to a custom piece of Alienware hardware called the Alienware Video Array, which combines the two halves and outputs them as a single frame.
In previous attempts at using one card to render the top half of a scene and another to draw the bottom half, an unsightly seam always ran horizontally across the middle of the monitor. Alienware claims to have solved the problem by dynamically shifting the load between the two cards. We saw a prototype of the ALX rig in action and can happily verify that there were no seam or sync problems.
Two videocards and possibly two CPUs will generate a considerable amount of heat. To compensate and cool what will likely be a red-hot rig, Alienware's ALX systems will feature a proprietary liquid cooling system. Early prototypes of the system's case will allow owners to check the temperature via an LCD display on top of the enclosure.
Alienware ALX
Alienware's Bold Experiment Could Double Your Gaming Performance
Alienware's technology is completely card-agnostics, it will work with ATI or nVidia cards (or a combination of both), and doesn't even require videocard vendors to write special drivers. Instead, Alienware has written custom software that sits between the Direct3D layer and the actual videocard drivers. This software splits the image it needs to render into two halves - top and bottom - and sends one half to each card. Each outputs its half to a custom piece of Alienware hardware called the Alienware Video Array, which combines the two halves and outputs them as a single frame.
In previous attempts at using one card to render the top half of a scene and another to draw the bottom half, an unsightly seam always ran horizontally across the middle of the monitor. Alienware claims to have solved the problem by dynamically shifting the load between the two cards. We saw a prototype of the ALX rig in action and can happily verify that there were no seam or sync problems.
Two videocards and possibly two CPUs will generate a considerable amount of heat. To compensate and cool what will likely be a red-hot rig, Alienware's ALX systems will feature a proprietary liquid cooling system. Early prototypes of the system's case will allow owners to check the temperature via an LCD display on top of the enclosure.
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I agree with that, the whole can definitely be greater than the sum of the parts and just buying similar components and putting it all together wont get you an equal monster
Still the amount of extra grunt you get for the extra price is what is up for debate
Still the amount of extra grunt you get for the extra price is what is up for debate
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Originally posted by jeffdsmith
Besides having a much greater access to all hardware vendors then the average home builder, Alienware also works with the software, bios, and prop. hardware to achieve results you can simply not obtain from putting off the shelf components together. Some home builders are capable of this level of building, most are not.
Besides having a much greater access to all hardware vendors then the average home builder, Alienware also works with the software, bios, and prop. hardware to achieve results you can simply not obtain from putting off the shelf components together. Some home builders are capable of this level of building, most are not.
There are numerous examples where Alienware has done special software and hardware tweaking to deliever higher performace, below is one of their more known recent examples:
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well, you pay for that research. i could surf the web for days looking for all the right tweaks, blah blah blah. i don't know about you guys, but, whenever i build a pc, it takes me a whole day. how much is your time worth? mine is $50/hour... 12 hours = $600.
also, a lot of people here forget that you get software in addition to the hardware - legal software. xp pro = $100, etc.
finally, a centralized warranty and tech support. again, you could figure it out yourself, surf the forums, etc... or call alienware.
all those things add up in my book... do they add up that much? probably not, but i no longer really want to make my own systems anymore.
also, a lot of people here forget that you get software in addition to the hardware - legal software. xp pro = $100, etc.
finally, a centralized warranty and tech support. again, you could figure it out yourself, surf the forums, etc... or call alienware.
all those things add up in my book... do they add up that much? probably not, but i no longer really want to make my own systems anymore.
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Originally posted by fumanstan
Actually, that's the ONLY significant advance that i've ever seen a system builder come out with. And while it looks intriguing, i'll hold judgement until its actually benchmarked and demonstrated.
Actually, that's the ONLY significant advance that i've ever seen a system builder come out with. And while it looks intriguing, i'll hold judgement until its actually benchmarked and demonstrated.
Also from maxim PC:
Hark, the quest is over: The Holy Grail of mobile computing—user upgradeable graphics—has been unearthed in Alienware’s Area-51m notebook! This isn’t a matter of adding RAM or tricking a vendor into sending a replacement graphics card that requires a dissection to install. Alienware lets you flip over the Area-51m, grab your screwdriver, and voila, you’ve gone from a GeForce FX 5700 to a Radeon 9700 before the commercial break in the Simpsons is over.
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Ah, i forgot about the upgradable mobile graphics. While these innovations are somewhat impressive to me, the actual usefulness of them isn't exactly making waves in the industry. And i dont see either of these two features, upgradable laptops and the SLI-ish desktops, making consumers flock to them. Impressive, but nothing earth shattering. I do applaud them for trying to do something unique, but i still say most home desktop builders can easily put together systems that perform the same.
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I just ordered a Athlon64 pc from Cyberpowerinc.com, but I did some research before ordering and if I ordered the parts from Newegg I could have saved between $150 and $200 but I figured my time was worth more than that. I usually build my own but I am at the point where my time is worth more to me than the extra cost.
But I would not spend $5k on an alienware pc since you can go to other sites and get a fast as hell PC for alot less.
But I would not spend $5k on an alienware pc since you can go to other sites and get a fast as hell PC for alot less.
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Just had to chime in, Alienware banks on making PCs that the average computer user "thinks" is heads and shoulders above your average store bought PC.
When I see an Alienware box I see:
Higher/Better quality components than what other PC manufacturers use
Operating systems/BIOSes with the latest updates and a decent amount of tweaks
Add ons that are generally higher quality than competitors parts.
This is of course all wrapped in a nice clean package
BUT You can do these things on your own! You can buy the best parts, you can tweak your OS and BIOS, you can have the latest updates, you can have the 1337 case with ferrari paintjob, you can add watercooling to the system, you can wire wrap/loom the cables so it looks uber clean, you can even add neons and windows! It's not cheap to do these things but it's a learning experience for some and and a hobby for others, generally building your own computer WILL be cheaper than buying a pre-built system.
The beaty of building your own computer is having a "custom" rig, this of course means many different things to different people i.e. a "custom" honda civic with a coffee can on the butt, all Alienware is doing is making that "custom" rig for you, whether you can afford or want to buy their product is your choice.
When I see an Alienware box I see:
Higher/Better quality components than what other PC manufacturers use
Operating systems/BIOSes with the latest updates and a decent amount of tweaks
Add ons that are generally higher quality than competitors parts.
This is of course all wrapped in a nice clean package

BUT You can do these things on your own! You can buy the best parts, you can tweak your OS and BIOS, you can have the latest updates, you can have the 1337 case with ferrari paintjob, you can add watercooling to the system, you can wire wrap/loom the cables so it looks uber clean, you can even add neons and windows! It's not cheap to do these things but it's a learning experience for some and and a hobby for others, generally building your own computer WILL be cheaper than buying a pre-built system.
The beaty of building your own computer is having a "custom" rig, this of course means many different things to different people i.e. a "custom" honda civic with a coffee can on the butt, all Alienware is doing is making that "custom" rig for you, whether you can afford or want to buy their product is your choice.
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Average home builders doing this?

From slashdot.org:
"c|net news.com is reporting that Alienware is going to ship a 4GHz desktop. The new Area-51 ALX, introduced on Friday, uses overclocking, or the practice of pushing a processor past its factory speed setting, to elevate a standard Intel Pentium 4 chip to 4GHz. Because overclocking a processor can cause it to overheat, the desktop also includes a special liquid-cooling system devised by Alienware. Purchasing the 4GHz Area-51 ALX desktop is an expensive proposition for most consumers, as the machine starts at about $4,200, according to pricing on Alienware's ALX Web site."
Cnet Story:
Games system specialist Alienware has hot-rodded one of its desktop PCs with a homegrown version of Intel's Pentium 4 processor that runs at 4GHz.
The new Area-51 ALX, introduced on Friday, uses overclocking, or the practice of pushing a processor past its factory speed setting, to elevate a standard Intel Pentium 4 chip to 4GHz. Because overclocking a processor can cause it to overheat, the desktop also includes a special liquid-cooling system devised by Alienware.
Purchasing the 4GHz Area-51 ALX desktop is an expensive proposition for most consumers, as the machine starts at about $4,200, according to pricing on Alienware's ALX Web site. But PC enthusiasts, such as game players, have traditionally been willing to pay more to get the latest, fastest hardware they can find. This has helped give rise to a number of high-end PC makers, including Alienware and Falcon Northwest.
The launch lets fans get a jump on getting a machine with a 4GHz chip. Intel recently pushed back introduction of a 4GHz Pentium 4 to the first quarter of 2005, having earlier announced plans to introduce it this year. The fastest current Pentium 4 runs at 3.6GHz.
Alienware says that thanks to its chip speed, the new ALX desktop is particularly well suited to multimedia applications such as 3D games, 3D content creation and digital video. The machine also incorporates PCI Express architecture, which boosts bandwidth to the graphics card and can be configured with up to 4GB of dual-channel memory.
In addition to the 4GHz Pentium 4 and a liquid-cooling system, the most basic Area-51 ALX desktop comes with 1GB of RAM, a CD-burner, ATI Technology's Radeon X800 graphics card, a 74GB Western Digital Raptor 10,000 rpm hard drive and a Creative Sound Blaster Audigy 2 ZS High Definition sound card.
Pumping up the machine with 4GB of RAM, Nvidia's GeForce 6800 Ultra graphics card, twin 74GB Raptor hard drives and a DVD-burner increases the price to about $5,700.
Customers can easily pile on hundreds of dollars to the price of an ALX-Area 51 by deciding to add multiple, larger-capacity hard drives or by moving up to a Pentium 4 Extreme Edition processor. Alienware offers its own version of that chip as well, overclocked to 3.8GHz. Right now, Intel's fastest Extreme Edition runs at 3.4GHz.
However, not all PC enthusiasts want to buy Intel. To please those customers who prefer Advanced Micro Devices' processors, Alienware sells the Aurora ALX, a desktop that includes AMD's Athlon 64 FX 53 and starts at about $4,500.
The new Area-51 ALX, introduced on Friday, uses overclocking, or the practice of pushing a processor past its factory speed setting, to elevate a standard Intel Pentium 4 chip to 4GHz. Because overclocking a processor can cause it to overheat, the desktop also includes a special liquid-cooling system devised by Alienware.
Purchasing the 4GHz Area-51 ALX desktop is an expensive proposition for most consumers, as the machine starts at about $4,200, according to pricing on Alienware's ALX Web site. But PC enthusiasts, such as game players, have traditionally been willing to pay more to get the latest, fastest hardware they can find. This has helped give rise to a number of high-end PC makers, including Alienware and Falcon Northwest.
The launch lets fans get a jump on getting a machine with a 4GHz chip. Intel recently pushed back introduction of a 4GHz Pentium 4 to the first quarter of 2005, having earlier announced plans to introduce it this year. The fastest current Pentium 4 runs at 3.6GHz.
Alienware says that thanks to its chip speed, the new ALX desktop is particularly well suited to multimedia applications such as 3D games, 3D content creation and digital video. The machine also incorporates PCI Express architecture, which boosts bandwidth to the graphics card and can be configured with up to 4GB of dual-channel memory.
In addition to the 4GHz Pentium 4 and a liquid-cooling system, the most basic Area-51 ALX desktop comes with 1GB of RAM, a CD-burner, ATI Technology's Radeon X800 graphics card, a 74GB Western Digital Raptor 10,000 rpm hard drive and a Creative Sound Blaster Audigy 2 ZS High Definition sound card.
Pumping up the machine with 4GB of RAM, Nvidia's GeForce 6800 Ultra graphics card, twin 74GB Raptor hard drives and a DVD-burner increases the price to about $5,700.
Customers can easily pile on hundreds of dollars to the price of an ALX-Area 51 by deciding to add multiple, larger-capacity hard drives or by moving up to a Pentium 4 Extreme Edition processor. Alienware offers its own version of that chip as well, overclocked to 3.8GHz. Right now, Intel's fastest Extreme Edition runs at 3.4GHz.
However, not all PC enthusiasts want to buy Intel. To please those customers who prefer Advanced Micro Devices' processors, Alienware sells the Aurora ALX, a desktop that includes AMD's Athlon 64 FX 53 and starts at about $4,500.
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I have long wished for an Alienware rig. And evntually will own one. Just not able to explain way the cost yet. 
The resale on one of these beasts has to be high. If you take the example shown above from jeffdsmith around 1/ 1/2 - 2 years from now this item will still be a high performance machine. Certainly surpassed but staggeringly appealing. Resell in your local area and put the profits toward another. Many other machines may have some relative specs but are just not the same value.

The resale on one of these beasts has to be high. If you take the example shown above from jeffdsmith around 1/ 1/2 - 2 years from now this item will still be a high performance machine. Certainly surpassed but staggeringly appealing. Resell in your local area and put the profits toward another. Many other machines may have some relative specs but are just not the same value.
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Average home builders no. Experienced home builders yes. Even my friend that asks me consistantly for help regarding various PC issues picked up a water cooled system and overclocked his P4 to about 3.7 ghz. Again, not really impressed.
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Alienware, it's the PC equivalent of an Apple, but even more expensive. That's whack. It uses an Antec/Chieftec case w/ extra plastic panels, so it must be the BOMB!
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Originally posted by FuzzyBallz
Alienware, it's the PC equivalent of an Apple, but even more expensive. That's whack. It uses an Antec/Chieftec case w/ extra plastic panels, so it must be the BOMB!
Alienware, it's the PC equivalent of an Apple, but even more expensive. That's whack. It uses an Antec/Chieftec case w/ extra plastic panels, so it must be the BOMB!
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