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mijang 01-28-03 12:42 PM

Devil May Cry 2 Reviews?
 
The game is released today and there still are no reviews up online. This has me worried that the game is going to suck really bad...and I think the first Devil May Cry is the best game on PS2 so I really want the sequel to be good too.

Josh H 01-28-03 01:11 PM

The EGM review is listed in this thread.

http://www.dvdtalk.com/forum/showthr...hreadid=266426

They basically said it plays awesome, but its super easy and can easily be beaten in a night. They also say the quest for Dante and the chick are too similar to one another.

mijang 01-28-03 05:05 PM

That's too bad -- I liked that the original was a little difficult.

Decker 01-28-03 09:23 PM

IGN gave it a 7.0; but the review is Insider only. Anyone have that service and can give a little more detail?

random123 01-28-03 09:27 PM

IGNPS2 posted the DMC2 review, but it has no actual review. just the scores and "asjdas" for each reviewing department

Ralph Wiggum 01-28-03 10:56 PM

I played the first few levels at a friend's house today and the game is definitely worse than the original. The enemies just stand around and the camera is still bad.

vhgong 01-28-03 11:06 PM

I love the first game but this one is only worth a rental i am afraid. Camera angle is quite bad and its super duper easy. The enemies need to do more though. But its definately worth a rental.

C-Killer Redux 01-29-03 01:26 AM

Sounds very disappointing. From IGN:

Presentation
Good all around presentation, as long as you're not talking about the story. 7.5

Graphics
Perhaps a tad less decorative or imaginative than the first, but the level arenas are bigger and outdoors. 9.0

Sound
Decent to bad voice acting and absolutely horrible dialog that confuses instead of illuminates. But good music and sound effects. 7.8

Gameplay
Like the first but not. The new moves are cool , but empty and shallow. The juggle system is essentially worthless and empty. 7.0

Lasting Appeal
Short and easy. At least you can play through as Lucia, but even her inclusion is kind of questionable if the first pass through is so disappointing. 6.0

OVERALL SCORE (not an average) 7.0

tha_dvd_man 01-29-03 01:42 AM

DMC2 was handled by a different team than the one who made the original, so I'm not exactly surprised that it didn't turn out as good as people had expected.

NeonGlow 01-29-03 02:13 AM

THe original team that worked on the first DMC is working on Viewtiful Joe. That game looks like a 2D Devil May Cry game. The movies on IGN make it look really fun.

thegame370 01-29-03 02:31 AM


Originally posted by tha_dvd_man
DMC2 was handled by a different team than the one who made the original, so I'm not exactly surprised that it didn't turn out as good as people had expected.
Thats whats worrying me. As much as i love the first, i dont feel secure knowing that this one was being done under a new team. But then again i still havent played it for myself, so when i do, ill know.

trigun 01-29-03 09:22 AM

I can't believe all the complaints about the difficulty of the first one. It was hard compared to most current games, but nothing compared to the NES heyday. I guess gamers don't like to be challenged anymore.

The Franchise 01-29-03 09:50 AM

So I got this game using the EBgames trade-in deal. Can I play the game and return it within a week to get another game or my $$ back? I usually buy online so I'm not familiar with EB's return policy

dasmooth1 01-29-03 10:21 AM

Played the game last night when i got home, and so far, i agree that it is way easier than the original, but it is still a fun game. the graphics are beatiful as they were in the original and the camera angles are still decided upon where you stand (no free roaming of the camera).

I truly enjoyed myself playing it last night and got thru the first couple of missions fairly easy, but that's not a bad thing in my opinion. I like a game that moves quickly. I also noticed that there are several "hidden" rooms. I don't recall if these were in the original. I know the first game allowed you go back into rooms for bonus missions, not sure if this game does the same. Anyhow, the hidden room i found had no visible door at all. i was just rolling around near some crates and then appeared in a room that read "Hidden Room: Stage 1", so I assume there are others throughout the game.

Overall, i'm happy with this game and look forward to playing more of it tonight. I just hope the missions get a bit tougher and the game last longer than what others have said.

KingSmoth 01-29-03 03:02 PM

Been playing the game for about an hour, and so far I'm pleased. Beautiful graphics, and I love all of Dante's new moves. So far it has been fairly easy, but I imagine it will be worth trying the other difficulty levels once finished. My only complaint is that the camera still sucks - in some areas it's actually worse than before.

matrixrok9 01-29-03 04:34 PM

Pretty good so far. It's easy but heck the moves are cool as umm..hell. Running on the walls is freaking nuts and the one move where you jump and he dives down shooting the gun. It's a button smasher but a very fun and entertaining one.

Josh H 01-29-03 04:46 PM

Gamers.com gave it a 6. It was reviewed by a guy from OPM.
http://www.gamers.com/game/1150555/



Originally posted by trigun
I can't believe all the complaints about the difficulty of the first one. It was hard compared to most current games, but nothing compared to the NES heyday. I guess gamers don't like to be challenged anymore.
I like to be challenged, but DMC just frustrated the hell out of me because a lot of the difficulty was due to the terrible camera. But I'll freely admit I don't like super hard games. Games I'd rate as having "just right" difficulty would be Eternal Darkness, Metroid Prime, LOTR:TTT, Final Fantasy X, etc. "Too hard" would be DMC, Resident Evil games on normal, Contra Shattered Solider etc. Back in the NES/SNES days I had a ton of free time for games and could play/practice more. I don't have that kind of time any more and need games that take less effort and can be beaten just playing an hour or two a week if that.

joshd2012 01-29-03 05:45 PM

See, I thought the dificulty of DMC was just right. When you mention games like FFX, I am shocked. I got to the final boss (after many hours invested) but I am no where near strong enough to battle him. After getting my ass handed to me quite a few times, I have still yet to go back and build my characters. Atleast with DMC, I was able to beat it within a resonable amount of time.

I'm going to have to wait on this one, not only because of the bad reviews, but also because of the lack of money. The new moves excite me, but an easier game just doesn't seem to be a good move. I really like Jak and Daxter, but I think it was way too short. I'm liking Rachet and Clank so far because it is the same style and much longer. If they could have lengthened DMC2 (like making you play as both characters in different missions to get to the boss) then I would be a lot happier.

As for the camera, I deal. I never had a problem with it in the first game (auto-aim takes care of any problems) so I don't think I wouild have any problem with it in the sequel.

This may be a Greatest Hits buy for me (hopefully it will make it a Greatest Hits title).

DVDKrayzie 01-29-03 05:46 PM

i dont get why people say DMC is difficult. I was so mad that I wasted $49.99 on this game and beat it the first time I EVER played it without even dying once.... it was TOO easy. i cant imagine how easy this game is since it's supposed to be even easier than that.

i did however die on the first boss in metroid prime, so go figure :) maybe DMC is just in my blood.

Ralph Wiggum 01-29-03 05:58 PM


Originally posted by joshd2012
See, I thought the dificulty of DMC was just right. When you mention games like FFX, I am shocked. I got to the final boss (after many hours invested) but I am no where near strong enough to battle him. After getting my ass handed to me quite a few times, I have still yet to go back and build my characters. Atleast with DMC, I was able to beat it within a resonable amount of time.
The same thing happened to me in FFIX and X. I think it's just lousy design on Square's part. If I can reach a boss I should be able to beat it. In FFIX, which I did not like at all anyways, I just turned off the game and deleted my save. I leveled up enough in X to finish it, but had to burn a ton of sphere dealies.

I've been playing the original NES Ninja Gaiden lately so DMC2 seems exceptionally pitiful to me from a difficulty standpoint.

Josh H 01-29-03 09:06 PM

I died the first time I got to the boss in FFX, looked at gamefaqs for some tips, and beat it the second. I had spent a fair amount of time leveling up a couple of times through the game so I was in pretty good shape. The main problem I have with last bosses in FF games is there's usually some odd strategy (like using
Spoiler:
zombie attacks on your own people
) that I'd would never have figured out/thought of on my own.

At any rate what it comes down to is that some people are better at certain types of games than others, hence the differing opinons over which games are too hard or too easy.

Kellehair 01-29-03 09:14 PM

I don't think FF is one of those games that some people are good at and some aren't. There's not really any skill involved. I think some of you people just got unlucky agianst the final boss in FFX. I didn't do any leveling up towards the end of the game (because by then I was sick and tired of the game) and I beat the boss on my first try. You probably could have won if you tried a few more times or used a different strategy.

The Franchise 01-30-03 12:09 AM

I don't know what everyone here is smoking but the game is not thaaaat easy. I just got my ass handed to me like 5 times by the helicopter boss. Sucker was hard as hell. Gave up and am gonna try tomorrow. Game is pretty cool though. It has lost some of it's "mojo" though. Still fun and hard though.

TylerDurden_73 01-30-03 01:46 AM

looks like I'll be waiting for the "greatest hits", or a super duper sale price

Souljahh 01-30-03 02:06 AM

I haven't gone by the store yet. Those of you who say this new one is easy, are you playing on the hardest difficulty level? I'm just curious. I want to get a sense of how hard the game could potentially be.

Ralph Wiggum 01-30-03 06:22 AM

You only start with one difficulty level and that is ridiculously easy. According to EGM you have to beat each character's disc to unlock the harder difficulty levels, but you HAVE to use the leveled up character you acquired while finishing the game so Hard is even easier than Normal.

candyrocket786 01-30-03 08:03 AM


Originally posted by Souljahh
I haven't gone by the store yet. Those of you who say this new one is easy, are you playing on the hardest difficulty level? I'm just curious. I want to get a sense of how hard the game could potentially be.
Let's put it this way..... this game is sooooo easy that someone's grandmother could complete it with their eyes closed.

I am really disappointed with DMC2. I don't understand how a classic like DMC has turned into this.

While playing, I tried soooo hard to believe it was going to get better with every level, but I just couldn't lie to myself anymore.

I just don't understand it. Capcom pretty much had the blueprint from the first game. All they needed to do was add:

- The new moves like "bullet rain" and the acrobatics.

- New exciting weapons.

- New and more deadly enemies.

- Improved camera angles.

Instead they:

- Added the new moves but the failed to keep the original "custom combo system" You know....the one where you launch an enemy, shoot, slice & dice, shoot and finally DT their ass.

- Took step back on developing new weapons. Where the hell are the various swords and gauntlets? A mini-gun would have been nice.

- Degraded the A.I. The old A.I. could rip the DMC2 A.I. a new one in a matter of seconds. There is absolutely no enemy retaliation when they’re attacked. Like, in DMC 1 all the enemies could block and reverse your attacks (remember the Nelo Angelo fights).

- Screwed the camera system. Why give Dante new moves if you still cannot improve the camera system? For example, when using the "Bullet Rain" move shouldn't the camera go into an aerial view so you can see what you’re shooting at? I could have sworn I saw the camera do this in the various DMC Trailers.

That's about it. (looks like I got too carried away)

I pray to the Gods that there will be a DMC3 and it truly redeems itself by correcting all the wrongs of this game.

KingSmoth 01-30-03 02:33 PM

I've put in some more time playing this, and unfortunately I'm not as pleased as I was yesterday. At first the AI wasn't much of a problem, but now it's grating on my nerves - the enemies just aren't putting up a fight whatsoever. I have hardly put my sword to use - there is no need to, because the enemies are just too damn stupid. I don't know everyones complaints about juggling - I'm still able to High Time, shoot like a mofo, slash, etc. I like the action changes the new team made, but now I wish they didn't adjust the difficulty. From the sound of it, this game doesn't have Ifrit, which really makes me mad...
I'm going to play through as Dante and Lucia to unlock Hard mode, in hopes there is some challenge provided then.....

Kazuma05 01-30-03 02:55 PM


Originally posted by The Franchise
So I got this game using the EBgames trade-in deal. Can I play the game and return it within a week to get another game or my $$ back? I usually buy online so I'm not familiar with EB's return policy
Yes you can, as long as there is no scratches and you exchange it whitin 7 days, that's what one of the employees told me (this is for the gamestop trade in deal) hope I helped you out :D

The Franchise 01-30-03 03:05 PM

Thanks Kazuma05. I may be done with the game in 7 days if I can get past the damn helicopter. I agree with most of you:
- The enemies barely fight back at all
- At first I thought I ws on easy mode because the guns autofire and the AI was dumb, but this is the default difficulty (normal). In the original you had to pump the guns to fire this fast.
- They removed the door symbols from the map so sometimes it's hard to see what doors you can and can't enter.
- Graphics are nice and animation is brilliant.
- Dante needs to speak more. Where's the smack talk gone?!?
- I'm still enjoying it, but I prefered the smaller arenas even with their rapid camera switching rather than these wide open spaces where you can't see the cool moves.
- You have some of the special abilities you had to earn in the first one right from the start (double jump, stinger etc)

The game is still fun, just not as stylish. Has anyone been able to get a good style rating? The game keeps telling me I suck even when I'm doing crazy stuff to enemies.

Souljahh 01-30-03 04:29 PM

dammit

why do companies ruin a good thing?

dasmooth1 01-30-03 04:55 PM

I keep getting a "Don't worry" rating which i'm still trying to figure out if its a good or bad thing..

Kaiser Soze 02-03-03 01:48 AM


Originally posted by The Franchise
I don't know what everyone here is smoking but the game is not thaaaat easy. I just got my ass handed to me like 5 times by the helicopter boss. Sucker was hard as hell. Gave up and am gonna try tomorrow. Game is pretty cool though. It has lost some of it's "mojo" though. Still fun and hard though.
I am stuck on the helicopter boss too. Were you able to get past it? I've tried at least 7 or 8 times and have had no luck. Any tips?

KingSmoth 02-03-03 05:24 AM

I got past the helicopter boss on the first try - I found it to be very easy. All I did was constantly fire the guns and jump whenever I saw the rockets. When going up the inside of the building, I kept jumping floor to floor, never letting off the trigger, and always DT'ing when the guage was full. When I got to the rooftops, I didn't bother with fighting the helicopter until it forced a confrontation, I just collected orbs and avoided the birds.

As for the ratings, the first letter is highlighted, which is your rank. It will say things like Come on!, Bingo!, and Showtime!!, which is the best. As before, you need to use your sword to get the best rankings, and either string together kills, or get multiple enemies with a single swing. It also seems to help if your swords are leveled up - I have Vendetta at Level 3, and I'm tearing up the enemies and getting lots of high rankings with it.

DMC 2 has gotten better towards the end of Dante's missions. The enemies get a little more active, but the new weapons I've found are the coolest part - two new swords, and two new guns. Still, I'm on Mission 15, and the storyline is completely absent - I threw down on this guy Arius who is apparently the uber antagonist(considering he spent most of the fight sitting down smoking a cigar or drinking wine), and I don't know how I got there, what he's done, or why I'm fighting him in the first place. *sigh* I'm not one for plot in action movies/games, but this is ridiculous..........

The Franchise 02-03-03 10:22 AM


Originally posted by Kaiser Soze
I am stuck on the helicopter boss too. Were you able to get past it? I've tried at least 7 or 8 times and have had no luck. Any tips?
Kaiser, yeah I finally beat him but it was kind of a pain. Basically the best strategy is to avoid him till you get to the top of the tallest skyscraper. First the copter attacks you on the ground with all the fire around you. Run into the building and jump all the way to the top and get on the roof. Here you'll have to fight him by firing guns and using DT untill you get blown onto the next roof. Here just avoid him and get to the top of the building where there should be 4 pillars. Just ignore the bird things. Finally just fire away with your guns or shotguns and DT when he get's close and fire away. Wasn't too hard except for the damn missles you can't see till the last minute.

I'm on some oil rig or something now and have no idea who the guy I'm fighting is. I have till tomorrow to return this game but I don't think I'm going to finish it. Hmmmmm..... should I keep it or return it for the Getaway? I'm enjoying it, but not as much as the first, and the lack of story is really crazy.

Zodo 02-03-03 10:30 AM

Well, I had gotten in on the Gamestop deal for Devil May Cry 2, and after just about an hour or so of playing I decided to take it back.

The fun of the first one just wasn't there anymore. The graphics were ridiculously bland, the enemies wouldn't attack me (i could literally just stand next to them and they wouldnt' DO anything), the puzzle element from the first one was gone, the story seemed to be non-existant, etc...

I just took it back and pre-ordered Zelda instead. I was thinking about The Getaway, but I hear that ones not that great either...
Sigh.

The Franchise 02-03-03 01:56 PM

How many levels are there for Dante? I'm on level 12 and am wondering how much there's left to go. Haven't started on Lucia's missions. Do her missions explain the story a teensy weensy bit more??? ;)

KingSmoth 02-03-03 02:56 PM

Dante has 18 missions - I just finished his disc, and wow......I still don't know wtf happened. I'm telling you, the ending is a doozy.............
I've only played two of Lucia's missions so far, so I can't tell you yet. I'm going to spend a few hours tonight playing hers, maybe even finish, since it only took me 4:10 to finish Dante's missions.

The Franchise 02-04-03 05:49 PM

Just finished Lucia's disc after completing Dante's yesterday. Boy am I returning this game (since it's within 7 days for gamestop). I can't remember the last time I finished a game this quickly or easily. The new modes are kinda cool but the only incentive for playing them is if you liked to fight to begin with. And the Diesel based outfits are kinda lame compared to the actual ones. they left it way open for a sequel too which hopefully wont blow as much as this game did. Actually I take that back, the game was alright, but the story (or lack thereof) really made it pointless. Plus the fighting was mindless button mashing in hopes of getting your DT up.

OK, enough ranting. ;) My advice: rent it, beat it, return it.

Marker 02-04-03 06:33 PM

Played it for an hour, then exchanged it for Panzer Dragoon Orta.


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